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Carol H
Posted on Saturday, February 12, 2005 - 8:58 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

MSG damages the very cells mentioned in this article. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/02/050210233959.htm
When will they finally put two and two together????
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Carol H
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Posted on Monday, July 02, 2007 - 4:26 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Guys, I think I found a WHOLE NEW avenue for us to explore. I saw an article today on Google News that they may have found a cure for food allergy. In the article, it mentioned that Interleukin 12, which is made by cells called oligodendrocytes was MISSING in cases of FOOD ALLERGY. I started thinking. What if something damages interleukin 12 producing cells? So I found this:http://www.jneurosci.org/cgi/content/abstract/21/12/4237?ck=nck
Turns out excess glutamate KILLS oligodendrocytes. I thought I was onto something. Then I found THIS:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligodendrocyte

Turns out food allergic folks like me and MS sufferers like MEMORRIS have something in common. We lack enough Interleukin 12!

The reason may be because our oligodendrocytes have been damaged by MSG and aspartame. I have to check, but I would not be surprised if Lyme disease affected these nervous system cells too.

You see, in MS, the myelin sheath is not adequately protecting the neurons and so it's like an electrical wire with faulty insulation. Well, those same myelin making oligodendrocyte cells also make Interleukin 12. There has been some speculation why Interleukin 12 levels were low in folks with MS. I'm guessing that it's because the cells that make it are dying. Now if only doctors would tell their MS patients that MSG and aspartame will kill more of those precious cells.

In my case, my loss of Oligodendrocytes may be due to MSG and aspartame poisoning as well. I just wonder if either stem cells that give me back my oligodendrocytes will help, or if Interleukin 12 - like the doctors are hoping for will do it. We'll see.

In either case, we know have a "smoking gun" as proof that MSG causes MS and also that it IS RELATED to multiple food allergy and wacky immune system over-response. We aren't crazy here, and we never were.

Boy, that is your science class for today! So, discuss amongst yourselves :-)

Boy, I have a LOT more to add to the flowchart.....
Deb A.
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Posted on Monday, July 02, 2007 - 5:09 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

:-)...sounds like MSG hasn't damaged YOUR brain cells, Carol!
Carol H
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Posted on Monday, July 02, 2007 - 5:40 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I've been taking my CoQ10!
Lisa Marie
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Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 3:31 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Nor has it damaged your humor centers! You both need your own tv program together--not that you have a lick of time for that! You are so smart! Roy and MEMorris could be daily news updates!
Carol, how is your book coming?
Deb A.
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Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 5:16 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks, Lisa Marie...sounds like a fun idea! Ha Ha! Thanks for making me laugh...and you too, Carol! It's been a long day at the office... needed that.
Deb A.
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Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 5:23 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Happy 4th to all of you!!
debbey
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Posted on Wednesday, July 04, 2007 - 10:33 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

(I am on PTU cause my throid is so hyper---immune system wack out over response, so my brain is totally off on this drug)
yep believe aspartemate and msg did this

I know they are working on myelin repair but from what I remember interferon gamma added some kind of stress problem during new myelin production.
I will try to find it. Does MSG and aspartemate kill off our reactive T cells as well?
Roy and Carol are so smart withall this

do bee stings trigger T cells
happy 4th
Roy Piwovar
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Posted on Wednesday, July 04, 2007 - 12:50 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The article linked below says that T cells can respond to an antigen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-cell
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antigen

This next article mentions "the ability of glutamate to directly activate T cell function".
http://jimmunol.org/cgi/content/abstract/170/8/4362
Carol H
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Posted on Thursday, July 05, 2007 - 8:55 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Great link Roy! Also, Lisa Marie, I have been trying to finish the book, but have been so distracted by being on the town council and fighting off a terrible powerful Democratic Party Boss, as well as working on the theories involving autism and MSG. The latest genome results I think should be included in my book, so I am trying to incorporate those. I should have a little time in the next two months on the summer council schedule. I already have a the entire outline, and about 200 pages of manuscript. I wonder if Michael Moore wants to turn it into his next movie. That would be fun...... Anyway, I am so close but I am glad it got delayed, the autism story is key to have in the book. I'll start maybe posting exerpts to give you guys an idea.
Roy Piwovar
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Posted on Thursday, July 05, 2007 - 6:44 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Per the link below, "HIV-replication occurs in activated T cells". Due to "the ability of glutamate to directly activate T cell function", MSG may be hastening deaths from AIDS.
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=299181
Dianne
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Posted on Friday, July 06, 2007 - 5:18 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Carol, I can't wait to read exerpts from your book, and the whole book. Have you thought of contacting Michael Moore when it's done?
MEMorrisNJ
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Posted on Sunday, July 08, 2007 - 7:43 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Carol & All. I don't have Multiple Sclerosis. My problems, including severe sensitivity to MSG, are most likely from the long term effects of radiation and chemotherapy that I had more than 17 years ago.
The medical establishment is just starting to learn about the long term effects -- largely because of the increase in survivors from childhood cancers such as Hodgkins lymphoma (e.g., Sloan Kettering Memorial Hospital only has one doctor that specializes in long term effects. His name is Dr. Stubblefield and he deals only with those who had childhood cancers).
My doctors (including those who managed the chemo and radiation) can't help me --- they don't know how to prevent/minimize the long term effects which increase as time goes by --- other than prescribing drugs to mask what is happening (and they certainly don't know about MSG and nutrition). Long term survivors of chemo and radiation often suffer from fibromyalgia, food sensitivities, severe malabsorption, heart problems, etc.
Perhaps, one of the effects is on the glutamate receptors -- I found one study involving radiation-treated rats who had a different composition of glutamate receptor in comparison to control animals -- If anyone knows more about this, please post!
In case there are other long term cancer survivors reading this, here are the only useful discussion groups on this topic:
http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/radiotherapydamage/?tab=s
http://listserv.acor.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ACOR.EXE?SUBED1=LT-SURVIVORS&A=1
You must subscribe to both sites.
If anyone is reading this from NJ and is a long term radiation survivor, I am hoping to start a self-help group. If interested, email me at:
MEMorrisNJ@att.net
For those outside of NJ, I hope you will try the 2 web discussion groups listed above.
Roy Piwovar
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Posted on Sunday, July 08, 2007 - 8:01 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

MEMorrisNJ,

It's even worse when the brain gets irradiated:

http://es.oncolink.org/resources/article.cfm?c=3&s=8&ss=23&Year=2006&Month=11&id=13649
Carol H
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Posted on Sunday, July 08, 2007 - 9:42 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Just a thought, many misguided oncology docs prescribe glutamine to people undergoing chemo. This is turned into glutamate. Did you take glutamine?
MEMorrisNJ
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Posted on Sunday, July 08, 2007 - 11:10 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Carol&Roy - Roy: My heart goes out to brain cancer survivors. I know a few.
Carol - I once took a powder mixture of glutamine, biotin, Vitamin E, etc. prescribed by a biochemist even though you warned me against it. The chemist pooh-poohed the chart you sent to me with your warnings. But sure enough, I was constantly reacting to it in the exact same way I did to pure MSG (severe d.) --- I stopped it after a few tries and I am especially glad I did! Since then, I've had a few friends eliminate their glutamine supplements at my suggestion and they immediately had better sleep.
The best things that help me now besides eating unadulterated foods are probiotics, B-12 methylcobalammine sublingual (B-12 deficiency is common in radiation survivors), and pancreatic enzymes (pancrease).
Does anyone know what I can do that is more natural to help with bile salts malabsorption (again due to radiation)? The traditional drug treatment is cholestyramine, (or questran, colestid, etc) --- I desparately want to avoid this traditional drug because it decreases your Vitamin A, D and E and cause other digestive problems.
Roy Piwovar
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Posted on Sunday, July 08, 2007 - 12:34 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

MEMorrisNJ,

Have you tried the other medication?

http://gut.bmj.com/cgi/content/extract/54/3/441-a
MEMorrisNJ
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Posted on Monday, July 09, 2007 - 6:37 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Roy - You are incredible. No, I didn't see this ---there are side effects but nothing like the other drugs so I'll check this out somemore. Of course, I'd still prefer a more natural way and will continue to look for it. Thank you!!!!
Carol H
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Posted on Monday, July 09, 2007 - 10:52 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Biochemists are trained like food scientists - to think that everything works the same way in everybody. There are many errors of metabolism and they haven't a clue about what to do when faced with a human body that doesn't work as intended. I am so sorry you were affected by that stuff. My mom was prescribed glutamine and I told her to stop taking it. It wasn't helping her and in fact, for someone who is getting over estrogen receptor positive breast cancer, the fact that glutamate triggers the release of female hormones is exactly what she doesn't need. The fact that some doctors don't know what they are doing regarding nutrition really ticks me off. It's like the advice to eat chicken soup - they think their supplements "couldn't hoit!" even though they may not help. They don't realize their ignorance can make some diseases worse. Their misguided advice comes from the fact that glutamate in the brain is involved with memory and forming new connections. But that is in normal amounts. The body can easily MAKE glutamate. Glutamine as a supplement is NOT NECESSARY. This is a clear example where a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. I am glad you didn't take that stuff for long.
Dianne
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Posted on Monday, July 09, 2007 - 1:02 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

As always, and probably for about a year now, I have been so impressed with all you knowledgeable, smart people. I check the new postings continuously and although I don't have any REAL information to add, I just can't help myself from making comments now and then. Good job everyone! It is sooooo nice to have all this great advice and info at a finger tips reach. And a special thanks to Deb A. for giving us all this website and a chance to "come to gether".

Thanks Deb and thanks everyone :-)
Deb A.
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Posted on Tuesday, July 10, 2007 - 11:30 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks, Dianne! Mike and I are so thrilled that this discussion board has been successful and is reaching so many people. But we sure can't take all the credit. Many people helped us in the past and now it's our turn...and the people here give so much to others, not to mention all that I learn and gain from all you amazing people out there I call my MSG buddies. All of us are trying to make a difference...keep sharing the information with as many people that you can! :-)
Cherylin
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Posted on Sunday, August 05, 2007 - 4:40 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

MEMorrisNJ,

Re your request for a natural way to deal with bile salts malabsorption problems, here is my suggestion - the illustrious coffee enema. You can read all about it here www.sawilsons.com/library.htm

You can also check on the www.curezone.com search engine for "coffee enemas".

This may help remedy your problem. If you decide to go for it, use only organic coffee, however, such as the one formulated specifically for enema use, available from the above-mentioned website.

Good luck!

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