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Carol H
Posted on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 5:55 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Here is an article on Restless Legs Syndrome. Sleep is also affected. Note that the drug to treat it is a Parkinson's drug - probably a dopmamine agonist like I take. Remember that MSG reduces dopamine. Parkinson's meds are dopamine agonists.
Deb A.
Posted on Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 8:08 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I clicked on this, Carol, but didn't see anything???
Carol H
Posted on Sunday, May 08, 2005 - 7:23 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A new drug is out to treat restless legs syndrome. It stimulates dopamine receptors in the brain.
What they don't tell you is that in laboratory studies, MSG decreases dopamine. So they would rather give you a drug that mimics dopamine instead of telling you to avoid MSG which decreases natural dopamine in your brain.
Tom Fernstrom
Posted on Monday, May 09, 2005 - 9:09 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Carol & Deb,

This might sound ludicrous, but an article in my local newspaper's Dr. Gott column suggested placing a bar of soap (not Dial or Dove) between the mattress pad and the bottom fitted sheet near the sufferer’s feet to reduce nightly leg cramps. A few readers who had restless leg syndrome tried the remedy and wrote to say that it cured or reduced their symptoms. My wife who suffered from RLS reluctantly decided to give it a try (even though she gave me a look like I was crazy). Well guess what? She put a used bar of Coast soap (she was too cheap to waste a new one) under the fitted sheet on her side and after a few nights her symptoms completely disappeared.

Even I find that some nights I get leg cramps while watching a long movie or something on TV, but as soon as I get into bed the cramps go away and I sleep soundly.

Now if you two can figure this one out from a logical standpoint, I’ll be sorely impressed.

PS My mother who is 95, blind and suffers from Alzheimer’s has times when she thrashes about in her bed at night. When my brother, her caretaker, mentioned it again last evening, I told him about the procedure and he is going to try it with her. She won’t be aware that he is doing it, so if it successfully reduces these occurrences, it will be like doing a double blind test (no pun intended).
Posted on Monday, June 20, 2005 - 2:58 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Tom, I want to know the results of that test. I wonder what the soap does. Maybe has to do with aroma therapy.
I find that when my legs get restless it is because they are cold. I put on long socks. and that usually helps. In the winter I may additionally Put a fuzzy blanket in bed to snuggle them under. Sometimes I am just freezing cold cold all over. Even when the temp on the wall is 77 deg!

The MSG reaction messes up the body's heat regulating mechanism.
Connie M.
Posted on Monday, June 20, 2005 - 9:07 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Tom, I read about the soap on another board a few days ago. Hubby thinks I have lost my mind, lol. So far it is not helping me. But I am giving it a few more nights to see. I use ivory, lol. Maybe I need to move the soap closer to my legs.

Deb A.
Posted on Monday, June 20, 2005 - 10:27 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have a suspicion that restless leg syndrome is another manifestation of glutamate toxicity....excess neurons firing. A woman in our neighborhood has it and so does her son. She also has depression, migraines, gall bladder symptoms even after she had it removed (I tried to warn her about MSG, but insists she knows it's safe). And her son has ADD and all sorts of problems.
Tom Fernstrom
Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 6:53 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


My brother hasn't tried the bar of soap thing for my mom yet -- too many other issues right now.

My wife washed the sheets the other day and that night her legs started to go crazy. I woke her up and asked if she forgot to put the bar of soap back. She said no, but then noticed that the bar was at about waist level in between us. She moved it down towards her feet and passed the rest of the night calmly. I can't figure it out unless it's a mental thing.

BTW - my wife still drinks diet pepsi and I think she drinks more of it lately since she retired at the end of the year. I'm trying to talk her into trying the new pepsi one (made with Splenda), but she's got cases of the other stuff to go through first she says.
Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 10:24 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Tom,Spelnda -hiddden under the name sucralose)

scarey stuff!!!!!!
Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 10:39 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

more here
Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 10:56 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I was drinking Diet Rite cola made with Splenda, and after about 3 weeks, my legs began to tingle and I would wake up with a slight headache. Finally got smart and stopped drinking it.
Tom Fernstrom
Posted on Friday, June 24, 2005 - 7:54 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


They way I read the first site you quote is that the site's sponsors have a problem with Splenda's ads and no hard facts about the danger of Splenda's use. The site appears to be so professionally done that it reeks of being a corporate sponsored site. Actually I found a later link to this site that indicated in parenthesis (Sugar Association Website)

The second site starts out with info about Aspartame being an Excitotoxin but then later links together all diet drinks with being responsible for obesity. In fact following most of the links on the right side of the page just take you to articles about Splenda’s supposed advertising inaccuracies. The one link to a study starts talking about Splenda being tested then switches to the known Excitotoxin effects of Aspartame, the goes back to sighting that Splenda is dangerous in high doses given to starving rats. Kind of a stupid test if you ask me.

Maybe Roy can help figure out who the sponsors are.

Nope, I’m not convinced that Splenda has anywhere near the proven toxicity of Aspartame. I wouldn’t doubt that future Sugar Association studies would sponsor double blind tests on Splenda and feed test animals in the Splenda group processed food then say that Splenda is just as excitotoxic as Aspartame – with probable full knowledge that it is the Glutamate causing the problem.


I’d be interested to know how much Diet Rite Cola you were consuming daily. I have been drinking Diet Rite Cola for about a year, but only have about one can every other day. I drink much more diet tonic (sweetened with saccharin and flavored with Gin) and have seen no ill effects from either. :-)
Pam E.
Posted on Friday, June 24, 2005 - 9:15 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

My brother and his family started using Splenda exclusively for their sweetener. His wife has many medical problems now, including brain lesions. I did a lot of reading on Splenda and copied a lot for my brother. My research convinced him to rid Splenda from his families diet. I would do some research (look for Splenda and Sucralose) before I asked my spouse to try Splenda. Too bad you can not convince your wife to give up all artificial sweeteners! I can not believe anything artificial is good for our bodies!
Here is one article from Dr. Mercola about Sucralose:
Please Take Care!
Pam E.
Posted on Friday, June 24, 2005 - 11:49 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

First site(sugar beet farmers)is recommended by a Dr. Janet Hull Phd. CN. She almost died of ASPARTAME poisoning, so she did some research on other sweeteners on her own and started She has a book called Sweet Poison. (You'll be happy to know she recommends saccarin):^)
Her own personal web site is

The other is run by and a guy by the name Mike Adams. A health and fitness guy who writes about the medical industry and the links to food and health conserns. He does not earn affiliate fees, kickbacks or sponsorship fees of any kind. Amaizing site and articles!

No diet or fat free for me. Heck, I lost over 60lbs eating whole natural foods. Real butter and sugar is part of my food intake lifestyle, but in moderation!!
Roy Piwovar
Posted on Friday, June 24, 2005 - 1:36 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


I wouldn't be surprised if the site is sponsored by the sugar association. They have a lot to say against the makers of artificial sweeteners. Still, I would side with the sugar industry against aspartame regardless of their motives.

Dr. Mercola talks about the aspartame lawsuit in this link:

Another article about the lawsuit:
Posted on Friday, July 01, 2005 - 8:46 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I just found "SPLENDA" in my childs Tylenol!!!
Under the name sucralose. They snuck it in there too! So be careful everyone!!!
Pam E.
Posted on Friday, July 01, 2005 - 12:43 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I read about a 4 year old that nearly died from the artificial sweetener in her vitamins. She had to be placed in a coma because of the seizures she was having(severe ones, one right after the other). She was in the hospital for a few weeks. The doctors never did have any answers to the reason why this happened, and no diagnosis. The family moved after she got out of the hospital and a new neighbor suggested that it may have been artificial sweeteners. The mother didn't think her daughter had consumed that much, until she did some research and reading of labels. She actually tested her with the vitamins and began to have the early symptoms of running into walls, stomach pain, etc. I don't think there is a childs medication out there that DOES NOT have artificial sweeteners in them. I don't give my son meds unless it is absolutely necessary! Take Care!!
Pam E.
Roy Piwovar
Posted on Saturday, July 02, 2005 - 5:28 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Artificial sweeteners are apparently the rule rather than the exception in children's vitamins:
Carol H
Posted on Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - 4:39 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Remember when they made kids meds taste bad? It probably helped cut down on overdoses. You don't want the stuff to taste like candy.
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