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Carol H
Posted on Thursday, April 22, 2004 - 5:38 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

In the news today - a study about how reducing soft drinks (including diet ones) in schools helps reduce obesity in children.

They should examine if it is the loss of the major source of aspartame in the child's diet that is responsible for this effect.
Deb A.
Posted on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 6:00 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Interesting...if they lose weight even by reducing diet softdrinks, don't they see that somthing more is going on here? Dr. Arnold Mech who has worked at the Menninger Clinic says that aspartame and glutamate trigger an insulin response just like sugar does.
Jerry Story
Posted on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 9:49 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Dr. Mercola has something to say about aspartame and obesity.

They would do better if they would drink carrot juice.

Put juicers in every school. Keep a big supply of carrots in refrigerators in each school. And other veggies.
Carol H
Posted on Sunday, April 25, 2004 - 9:45 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

In a related story, more misinterpreted data by well meaning but misguided folks :

This article, which may or may not be a planted item by the PR dept. at Monsanto (they make aspartame) says that because high fructose corn syrup consumption rose when obesity did, gee, - corn syrup MUST have caused our obesity epidemic.

Unfortunately, because of articles like this, I keep having to ask friends now absolutely terrified of "fructose" if the stories they heard differentiate between high-fructose corn syrup with a very high Glycemic index, and plain fructose - found in fruit with a very low Glycemic Index. They are not informed enough to know the difference.

Now, here's my scientific interpretation of the data. Consumption of corn syrup rose since the 1960's. Period. This was mainly because before then Coca-Cola and other soda manufacturers up to that point used plain old sucrose. In fact, using corn-syrup in those days instead of sucrose was viewed as adulteration, because sucrose gave a more quickly intense sugar kick and the manufacturers were trying to get away with using a cheaper, inferior ingredient. Anyway, consumption of corn syrup as a sweetener started to rise, when the food industry realized they could add this cheaper ingredient and no one would complain.

But what caused people to consume more calories in general? Not one of these articles examines when MSG became widely used. It was in the late 1960's. Up to that time, MSG was found in magazines advertised as a special gift for the woman in your life. It was actually considered an exotic kind of flavoring which came from Japan. It was expensive in the 1950's when it could only be made in small batches. Around 1956, the Japanese invented the cheaper process by which it is made today. It wasn't until the late 1960's that it was widely used in the U.S. because it was then cheap to make and easily available.

The rationale in the articles lately focuses on the fact that corn syrup is a high Glycemic Index food that causes an insulin spike. However, MSG also causes an insulin spike. Why are these people interpreting the results of their studies not accounting for another well-known insulin raiser during the exact same time frame? Good question, I don't have the answer for that. Perhaps ignorance, not doing their homework, laziness, poor scientific analytical skills, bad reporting, lack of understanding the subject, who knows...

But now, because of these articles, we have dieters running around the U.S. terrified of eating fruit because it contains GOSH, CAN YOU BELIEVE IT? FRUCTOSE!

Exactly what the people making drinks containing aspartame want, because, now, they also make MSG too.
Deb A.
Posted on Monday, April 26, 2004 - 11:02 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

What good information, Carol! You make us all learn think a little harder. Thank you!
Posted on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 9:50 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have no doubt that there is a link between drinking soda and obesity. Just take a look at the grocery store--if someone has a lot of soda in their cart, there is a 95% chance they are obese. Okay, this isn't scientific, but based on my own observations. I am convinced that soda is the surest way of becoming obese.
Deb A.
Posted on Friday, April 30, 2004 - 7:16 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I am convinced that the rise in autistic children is caused by the effects of excessive glutamate on the brain both before and after birth. I personally know 3 families who have toddlers recently diagnosed with this affliction. It makes me angry...I get so frustrated, especially when I hear about another and then another child with autism. Their parents are so caught up in meds and methods of traditional therapists, they look at me like I'm a nut cake when I suggest they consider diet and MSG. Yep, we all get discouraged sometimes. But thank goodness for people like the one from Cananda who e mailed today to share her story, and the one a couple days ago who called to say our site and board has saved her life. Keeps us going.
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Roy Piwovar
Posted on Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 4:30 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Good news: they're pulling sugary sodas from public schools.

Bad news: they're letting the artificially sweetened ones stay.
Posted on Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 1:11 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks for posting this link Roy. I just finished reading the book “Food Politics” that Carol recommended. It’s been fascinating, especially reading about the agreements the public schools have with the beverage companies. What an exciting step in the right direction.

Carol- thanks for recommending such a great book. For years I have been aware of the msg politics but was ignorant to rest of the food industry.
Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 4:46 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Could MSG Make a Comeback?
The changing fortunes of an unloved additive.
By Sara Dickerman
Carol H
Posted on Friday, May 05, 2006 - 4:25 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks for that link. The problem with that gushing review of MSG is that it ignores that fact that the tongue simply has sensors for carbohydrates -(sweet), fats (the latest research has found fat taste sensors as well) and what they gush about as "Umami" which is just a fancy way of saying protein sensors - they detect amino acids - like glutamic acid. Big deal. They use that as the reason we should all just eat tons of MSG because it fools you into thinking you are eating protein when what you are eating is not protein but a small piece of one. You are not eating the whole alphabet - you are eating only one letter - try playing scrabble with one letter - you'll lose (unless it's a vowel.) Now really, would God give us a means of detecting sugar and fat without detecting protein too? It's just a sensor for protein so we don't go around eating dirt and paint chips with no nutritional value.
Deb A.
Posted on Saturday, May 06, 2006 - 11:33 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Beautifully put, Carol. You need to include that in your book!
Posted on Friday, July 07, 2006 - 2:59 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

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