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Carol H
Posted on Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 10:19 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I know we have some Bush lovers out there, but you gotta question the priorities of a president that repeatedly puts the economic health of corporations always ahead of the health of people. Read the latest affront:

I know we have a better reason for the obesity explosion, but it has to do with junk food - we know it is junk food containing MSG, but it is still junk food. Something we in America export and push on the rest of the planet. I am personally appalled and ashamed that this president and his unscientific administration continually squash valid scientific reports.(The EPA report at Ground Zero, world accepted reports about global warming, and detrimental EPA reports about water waste from Western U.S. gas mining). Please make sure your governments don't bow to the pressure of the U.S. White House. I'm afraid we have become the biggest bully on the block. Again, I apologize for bringing up politics, but when politics affects the health of people, I just can't stay silent.
Laurie M
Posted on Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 12:54 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Carol,
The article doesn't strike me as bad as you think. The white house appears to be saying that fat and sugar aren't neccessarly the only thing that causes obesity and they pointed out a correlation between low fat, low sugar products and the rise in obesity. I would think that would be better for our cause as there are more chemicals and junk in diet food than in full fat foods. It appears to me they don't want to xclude those options. Just a thought. I promise iwont get too political :)
Carol H
Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2004 - 1:57 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Good point, Laurie. That may actually help our case. Fat and sugar have been around a lot longer than MSG. I guess I'm just letting Iowa dominate my thought this weekend.... :)
Carol H
Posted on Friday, March 26, 2004 - 3:44 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Here's another article about obesity. I think these high-fructose stories are planted by Monsanto PR people to frighten people of fructose so they use more aspartame. Again, they are probably missing the fact that MSG causes people to have a blood sugar drop. I don't think the fructose led to obesity, but that MSG led to sugar cravings along with general increases in intake. Many uninformed people equate high-fructose corn syrup to fructose. There is a big difference between the two. If one was to become terrified of anything containing fructose they'd have to stop eating fruit. High fructose corn syrup has a glycemic index near that of regular sugar, while fructose has one that is less than half that of table sugar (sucrose). They refer to the fact that fructose does not cause a rise in hormone levels. That is a good thing - for plain old fructose. Unfortunately the same cannot be said of high fructose corn syrup, which is what they discuss in this story. They are obviously not understanding the issue they are reporting on.,0,5888832.story?coll=ny-health-headlines
Carol H
Posted on Sunday, April 04, 2004 - 11:38 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Another story that talks about obesity, leptin and the hypothalamus, but absolutely NO mention of how MSG makes animals obese AND leptin resistant. They are about to go barking up the wrong scientific tree - again.....
Carol H
Posted on Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 10:08 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

New information relating obesity to artery thickening in children.
I think this may be related to MSG in the diet since MSG impacts insulin, and insulin like growth factor affects cell growth in the artery walls. I have already had an artery bypass at age 34. I was heavily exposed to MSG and aspartame.
Carol H
Posted on Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 10:10 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

P.S., in a related story, hardening of the arteries has been linked to depression. So, hardening of the arteries, depression, and obesity are related now.
Carol S.
Posted on Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 2:08 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks for keeping us in the loop Carol H.!!
Deb A.
Posted on Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 5:05 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If I were sick for years and my doctor didn't have a clue that MSG was the culprit (familiar story?), I'd be depressed, fat and probably dead by now. Thanks, Carol. You would think that some scientist would make the connection with the word glutamate popping up in so many new age epidemics....but maybe they're like a lot of people and don't correlate the glutamate for the "G" in MSG...and of course, how would the average person know how prevalent it is or how it's hidden in foods.
Posted on Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 3:21 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Breaking News for immediate release May 13th, 2004

Report Proves the Food Additive MSG Causes Obesity in Experimental Subjects

The data is in and it is staggering: Scientists have been using the common food additive Monosodium Glutamate to create fat rats and mice to experiment on. In hundreds of studies produced worldwide over the last thirty years, Monosodium Glutamate has been injected under the skin of day old mice and rats to produce obese rats and mice with a predisposition for diabetes.

Just as the occurrence of obesity and diabetes has risen to record levels, so too has the public’s ingestion of MSG. MSG, also found in ingredients such as Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein and Autolyzed Yeast Extract, is being added to a huge selection of restaurant food and processed food found in supermarkets.

According to the Glutamate Association, a government Lobby group sponsored by many of the companies that use or produce MSG in its various forms, the reason that it is added to food is simple:

“Studies have found that adding MSG to certain foods, such as soup and mashed potatoes, has been successful in increasing the food intake in institutionalized elderly populations.”

John Erb, author of the book The Slow Poisoning of America believes that MSG is the food industry's equivalent to Nicotine. “Studies have shown that people who eat food laced with MSG eat more of it, and faster than food that does not have this additive. If it makes the elderly eat more, what is it doing to our nation’s children?”

Glutamate is an amino acid that can excite almost every major organ in the body, especially the brain. It occurs naturally in milligram amounts in some harvested foods. Now, however, a person can get as much as a teaspoonful a day. John Erb finds this especially disparaging considering in some countries of the world one tablespoon of MSG is given to dogs to make them go into epileptic convulsions until they die.

“When ingested by human test subjects MSG directly affects the Pancreas stimulating it to triple its standard output of insulin output. This unnatural amount of insulin finds the sugar in the blood and converts it to fat. A few hours after you eat MSG the excess insulin the MSG triggers reduces your blood sugar level so much that you become tired and even hungry again. In animal test subjects this excess insulin leads to hyperinsulinemia: the chronic overproduction of insulin. The pancreas becomes so out of control that the body starts producing killer T cells to shut it down. Is it any wonder why diabetes, obesity and lethargy in our youths are at an all time high? Junk foods, processed foods, even cafeteria foods are now laced with large amounts of exitotoxic glutamates.” John Erb reports.

“Too much glutamate in the brain overexcites the neurons until they die. Many people who suffer from chronic headaches and migraines can trace their trigger to eating too much MSG. If it can give an adult a migraine what can it do to a developing fetus?” John Erb asks.

John Erb theorized just what too much MSG could to a fetus when he was invited to attend the Defeat Autism Now Conference in Washington, D.C. He presented a report that outlined how MSG can affect a fetus before it is even a month old. The placental barrier is not developed and the embryo gets a full dose of whatever chemicals the mother has in her bloodstream. In this first month the brain is forming and glutamate can alter its growth possibly leading to ADHD, and in worse case scenarios, Autism. Dr. Andrew Wakefield, and Dr. Bernard Rimland, considered experts in the field of Autism in Britain and United States respectively, as well as many other physicians at the Conference, said the Erb Report on Autism was a very real and probable explanation for many cases of Autism. They agreed that the connection between the uncontrolled increase in MSG and the ballooning rate of children born with Autism deserves a great deal of further study.

Having researched over five hundred studies that use MSG to create obese mice and rats, John Erb took his concern about the food additive’s safety to Washington. He was invited to report his findings to Senator Tom Harkin of the Senate Agricultural Committee. On April 19th, 2004, Mr. Erb met with the Senator’s aid, Alicia Morris, at the Agricultural office in the Birksen building. Ms. Morris was shocked by the ten page report that Mr. Erb gave her. The report, titled Published Medical Studies Linking the Food Additive MSG to Obesity outlined fifty studies from the over five hundred he has catalogued in which rats or mice were given MSG to make them obese and hyperinsulinemic.

John Erb suggested that the Senator should take action on the information in his MSG Report before the Personal Responsibility in Food Consumption Act is passed by the Senate This act, known as ‘The Cheeseburger Bill’ would protect food manufacturers and restaurants from litigation stemming from discoveries such as Mr. Erb’s: MSG has been proven to cause obesity and pre-diabetes in test subjects and is used as a food additive to make people eat more. He believes that the FDA should ban the adding of glutamates to the American diet until the food manufacturers can prove that there is no danger to the public health. Mr. Erb concludes that “Considering that the same chemical used to make fat rats is used in uncontrolled amounts in our nation’s food supply to make us eat more, it is doubtful that they could ever prove it safe for human consumption. One wonders how it was ever approved to be added to our food in the first place.”

MSG may not be the only cause of obesity, but it is the chemical of choice used by scientists to create obese subjects in lab experiments.

Senator Harkin is scheduled to speak at the upcoming Conference on Obesity sponsored by ABC and Times Magazine in Williamsburg, Virginia this June. It will be of great public interest to see how much of the “Erb Report” he is going to disclose.

You may view the report Medical Studies Linking the Food Additive MSG to Obesity presented to staff at the United States Senate Agricultural Committee, or the report Monosodium Glutamate and Autism, The Erb Theory presented at the Defeat Autism Now Conference at
Carol H
Posted on Saturday, July 16, 2005 - 4:53 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I just heard a story on obesity on Ring of Fire tonite. They did not mention MSG. So, I posted this on the discussion board there.
Carol H
Posted on Saturday, July 16, 2005 - 4:54 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Feel free to log in there and comment - especially if you lost weight by avoiding MSG.
Carol H
Posted on Sunday, August 07, 2005 - 6:51 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

For the non-believers who insist Asians do not suffer health troubles like the rest of us. 30% of urban Chinese are overweight.
Joe Public
Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 3:38 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

But that's just China Carol. What about the rest of Asia? What about countries like Vietnam, Japan, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan and Thailand?

"...He loves deep-fried stuff, and very minimal vegetables," she said. "Almost, I could say, he doesn't eat vegetables at all. They give him whatever he wants - KFC and McDonald's and pizza and all that. In other words, a typical Asian city boy..."

Western Decadence Enters the Asian Food Chain - Asians Are Becoming Obese
Joe Public
Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 4:54 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"...Ajinomoto focuses on the retail business in Asia, which accounts for a major part of Ajinomoto's total overseas sales in the retail sector. ... Today, Ajinomoto produces and markets in the Philippines, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam and China..." ... "...AJI-NO-MOTO sales volume increased in each country, and sales rose on a local currency basis. Sales growth was particularly strong for seasoning mixes..."
Carol H
Posted on Friday, October 28, 2005 - 3:04 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

There may be hope for people with MSG-induced obesity. This protein causes the growth of new neurons in the hypothalamus. It makes the hypothalamus more responsive to leptin:

Remember- MSG treated mice became leptin RESISTANT. They also showed damage to their hypothalamus. Perhaps the obese public that got that way due to eating MSG laden foods still has a chance to get back to normal.
Deb A.
Posted on Sunday, October 30, 2005 - 2:36 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The article suggests that a bad gene may be responsible for the lack of these leptin responsive neurons....hmmm, could MSG be responsible for their destruction??? Thanks for sharing this, Carol.
Posted on Monday, November 14, 2005 - 5:39 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"Vetsin" is the Filipino term for monosodium glutamate sold under the brand name Ajinomoto.
Deb A.
Posted on Monday, November 14, 2005 - 9:52 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is Vestin another term? I was given that word to include in our list a long time ago...perhaps the spelling was incorrect.
Roy Piwovar
Posted on Monday, November 14, 2005 - 5:58 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Deb A.

The article linked below spells it "vetsin", mentioned just over halfway down. The other spelling sounds like a typo. The author of the article, who seems unaware that MSG is still widely used, states:

"A surgeon classmate of mine, who was attending a meeting in France a few years ago, had so violent a reaction after ingesting food with monosodium glutamate that he expired within an hour thereafter."
Deb A.
Posted on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 - 7:50 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Roy, I think you must be right about it being a typo. Thanksabunch!
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Carol H
Posted on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 7:43 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

New article linking migraines and obesity. Boy am I NOT surprised. If MSG causes migraines why are they still surprised by links like this? They are even linking migraines and libido now. MSG affects the Hypothalamus' fighting, fleeing, and feeding instincts, why not the mating one? When oh when are they gonna put it finally all together. I am getting so old waiting for that day......
Deb A.
Posted on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 6:13 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

At least you're younger than I am, Carol! Talk about frustrating. But on the positive side, lots more people are getting the message than they were a few years ago. Within this week, I heard from an ex-marine who was discharged when he developed epilepsy. He's 33 now and he called to tell me that since he found our site and ordered the book, he is well. He emotionally shared the horrors of his attacks in front of a room of people or new girl friends. I heard from the mother of a young child who had a shunt surgically implanted to stop his seizures. It helped a little, but hindered his motor skill development. Some doctor mentioned to her that she should watch the foods he eats, too, saying MSG should be avoided. She did a search, found the information, and emailed to say her child is well now, thanks to MSG elimination. The circle is ever widening. But like you, Carol, I want this terrible scandal to be exposed now!
Carol H
Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 9:47 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

And they still don't get it: Not one of the 10 new reasons for obesity cited in the article is MSG.

They get close when they mention hormones affecting appetite, but only link endocrine disruption to pollution. They still don't mention food pollution - like MSG.

Looks like we'll have to wait even longer Deb.....
Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 7:45 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is it possible that msg causes endocrine distrupion on both sides of the spectrum ?
If you are already skinny or have a fast metabolism could MSG make it worse?
It worries me that we are making those who are sick-sicker and food supplies we send to other countries are toxic. If we send food -and populations do not gain weight-could the MSG be just as toxic to them or maybe more so since they have not grown up on it
there is such a change in the past year since I no longer eat MSG or nutrasweet ALL BETTER
I was so skinny and my body's ability to process sugar was not good. I made too much insulin in relation to sugars. My metabolism was in hyper drive. I ate constantly but could not gain weight-plus I thought I was eating healthy. I had malignant melanoma in my leg and had never had a sunburn but drank nutrasweet-ate msg
I have gained sugar levels are not perfect but soooooo much better....I sleep alot more
my yucky menapause symptoms (the doctors had me eating soy protein powder) are much milder
the only change in my life is food
elimination of MSG and nutrasweet
to those who are just starting, it can be a frustating ride searching for safe food....
but trust me it is well worth it
and everyone here helped save my life
Deb A.
Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 8:54 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I know it's frustrating, Carol. It's like the glutes have their tentacles everywhere and have lulled everyone into believing that MSG is so safe, they won't even consider it otherwise. Debbey, when I think back to when I was a teen and later, a young mother and still eating MSG, I was dubbed the road runner. Not only could I devour tons of food without gaining weight, but I would have so much energy that I would lie in bed unable many times, to shut the thinking wheels down. I was on edge a lot, constantly on top of things, and constantly being overly stimulated by MSG, which I didn't know at the time. But as MSG continued to take its toll over the years, I feel it really did a number on my system. My thyroid has been compromised by it, and now I am constantly trying to lose weight. I'm older now (59), and that has something to do with it, too. But I am convinced that MSG can effect our weight either way, depending on what part of the brain is weakened or stimulated by it.
Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 10:27 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Deb A thanks for the imput. You read so much about overweight I was not sure if the hyper signs were also the msg. I know my body is definately compromised---I too was a road runner
I am waiting for the opposite extremes one day-the weight and blood sugar too high
thanks again Debbey :-)

ps was looking at different moisturizers and sunscreens-I am so sad that we poison babies-most of the baby products contained forms of MSG
I just wanted to scream!
Carol H
Posted on Sunday, July 02, 2006 - 11:14 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Debbey, I too ate whatever I wanted till I was 35 and NEVER gained weight. Then six years ago I was diagnosed with a pituitary tumor and gained 40 lbs in 6 months. When I stopped gaining weight and the symptoms lowered they lowered my meds and I gained another 40 lbs. I went from always being thin and hungry and hypoglycemic to being 80 lbs overweight. The tumor is gone but my doctors want me to stay on the meds anyway to keep the tumor from coming back again. I constantly have well-meaning but ignorant friends lecture me on self-discipline. They refuse to believe that my tumor caused my weight gain even though the tumor produces prolactin - the thing that causes pregnant women to increase appetite and put on 40 lbs in short order. Since gaining the weight - I have now stayed at this new weight but I have a huge painfully slow road back to a normal weight. I firmly beleive MSG and aspartame caused my weight gain because glutamic acid increases prolactin and decreases dopamine, while my meds increase dopamine to reduce prolactin. Coincidence? I think not. MSG may stimulate things until it actually stimulates the hypothalamus and endocrine system to the point of damage. When the thyroid becomes HYPOthyroid from the damage - I think that is when the weight gain starts to happen. Or when a pituitary tumor starts to form - that's when the weight gain happens. And when the body begins to ignore insulin - that's when the type II diabetes starts. And when the bad effects of MSG stop one from being active but the MSG keeps them eating more and more - that's when the weight gain starts. I haven't gained any more weight since the two gaining episodes, as I don't eat MSG, but it is really upsetting to go from skinny all my life to the fat girl every one whispers about who has to shop in the plus size area. I finally know how hurtful it is to be obese. I feel like I have to practically eat in secret now, as everybody feels obligated to comment on what I put in my mouth simply due to the calorie content. The real ironic part is that they get indignant if I tell THEM to ditch the diet soda or the MSG. The very stuff that caused my weight gain because I was occupationally exposed to it.
Jerry Story
Posted on Sunday, July 02, 2006 - 1:57 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

About tumors: Blaylock's book about cancer explains how ignorant cancer specialists are about cancer. Eat/drink your veggies. Avoid MSG, aspartame, and all that kind of xxxx junk. Avoid/minimize sweet fruit because tumors feed on sugar. A must read for every person who has a tumor.

Dr. Moser and Dr. Shelton had success making tumors shrink or go away without cut, poison, burn.
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 8:00 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Carol H & Jerry Story

Carol H -until research documents differently, I firmly believe that insulin/weight/endocrine damage etc are caused and/or cells are mutated by the effects of MSG my body is tired but continues the battle...I am 5'10 was so hypoglycemic it took months to keep my sugar levels over 60. I used to be so hyper and weighed at one time 112-the past 10 years I weighed 123. Now just a year after changing my diet-leaving all forms of MSG/nutrasweet (did not eat sugar) my weight is 140 and I am just tired. Scientifically-due to diet and exercise (that is what they say) I should be the picture of health but I think it will take longer to undo the damage done over years of MSG and nutrasweet (ate lotsof it)
thank you so much ..I think everyone means well but it is hard unless you walk the walk in someone else's shoes to understand what they are going through. I really appreciate your honesty because I was feeling like I was the only one like this thanks

Jerry Story-due to the research on sugar-cancer and tumors, I thought the possibility of getting cancer was blood sugar would go too low often enough to kill off those tumors..I would have to fight to keep it at 80. I never ate sugar or items with processed sugar-corn syrup-frutose etc and was very careful with fruit )max 1/2 apple with protein etc., very low carbs. If my sugar drooped very low I would drink apple juice-glucose tablet in emergency but it was rare- I worked hard to stay stable. So I truly believed I would never have cancer but I did malignent melanoma--my opinion nutrasweet/MSG maybe not eating sugar
kept it confined.
Does the ingestion of MSG cause a by product of nitric oxide in the body?? Does it possibly change the PH? Figured you or Roy might know
thanks again for he help and the honesty
Roy Piwovar
Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 6:01 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


I'm not familiar with a PH or nitric oxide effect from glutamate. Even some vegetables are said to have risks, though. Per the link below, "Some vegetables are high in nitrates if they were exposed to high-nitrogen fertilizers".
(and scroll down to #3 for section on nitrates & nitrites)
Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 5:44 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Folks - For years, I have been complained to some supposed very qualified docs (including my oncologist who treated me for cancer 16 years ago) about a swallowing problem I've had (which was a very minor problem considering all I've had to deal with due to all my food problems).Finally, this week I went to an endocrinologist (for osteoporosis) and without my mention to the swallowing, she found I had a nodule on my thyroid by simplying watching my neck as I drank a glass of water! Hopefully, this will not be anything cancerous but it has prompted me to do more research about the thyroid before I get my ultrasound done. I read that that symptoms of a nodule can be varied. Some people have hyperthyroidism symptoms -- such as palpitations, insomnia, WEIGHT LOSS, anxiety, and tremors -- and others have hypothyroidism symptoms -- WEIGHT GAIN, fatigue, depression. They say you can cyle BACK & FORTH between hyperthyroid and hypothyroid symptoms. Many people have nodules with no obvious symptoms related to thyroid dysfunction at all. An estimated one in 12 to 15 women and one in 50 men has a thyroid nodule. More than 90 percent of all thyroid nodules are not cancerous.
But what is odd to me is that I know MANY WOMEN with serious thyroid problems.
Most of us here are already dealing with alot but perhaps NoMSGers should make it a point to get our thyroid levels checked via yearly blood tests and get a knowledgeable endocrinologist to check for nodules. There is alot more on the internet about thyroid problems for anyone who wants to know more.
Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 6:29 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would a thyroid nodule affect the blood test to check the thyroid levels?
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Good question but sorry, I don’t know. For me, my thyroid function serum tests were normal and my thyroid nodule is pending further testing.
Per this site , I see a reference stating that a nodule may cause too much thyroid hormone --- if I am reading it correctly.
Here are some more web sites that I found helpful:
Common tests to access thyroid function
Thyroid function tests
Thyroid nodule ultrasound
Getting back to the subject of MSG, there was a 1999 study (see abstract at: ) entitled “Effect of neonatal treatment with MSG (monosodium glutamate) on thyroid of the adult male rats”.
Then there is the relationship between the thyroid, pituitary, and hypothalmus where I am really over my head but it is explained at:
It states: Thyroid hormone levels are regulated by a feedback inhibition mechanism which operates along the hypothalamic-pituitary-thyroid axis. The hypothalamus secretes thyrotropin releasing hormone (TRH) which stimulates the pituitary to secrete thyroid stimulating hormone (TSH). TSH, in turn, stimulates the thyroid gland to produce and secrete thyroid hormones (T4 and T3) into the circulation. etc.etc.
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There has been a rapid increase in overweight and obesity in China, at east partly blamed on a modern diet. As usual, MSG use has not specifically occurred to them:
Roy Piwovar
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Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 6:27 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That is, at "least" partly blamed on the modern diet. Here's a related link to the above story:
Deb A.
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Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 9:47 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks, Roy. Over the years, I have heard over and over again, "If MSG is so harmful, then why are the Chinese so healthy?" Nice to have some new information to share.
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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 1:55 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Has anyone seen all the reports on TV lately about AND childhood? I find it unconscionable for 99.9% of the media to ignore the link to MSG! It is driving me crazy and I've only been on this no-MSG mission for less than a year - I can't imagine how you all must feel who have been at it for years. Have you ever found that it did any good to write to the station?
Deb A.
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Posted on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 9:38 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It couldn't hurt. If you address those in charge of health topics, it might be better. It would be a good idea to send your MSG stories (before and after) to health editors of magazines, too. Remember that a lot of media get most of their money from food and drug sponsors. That is one of the problems we have been up against for years. One person emailed me recently and asked why I hadn't put the money I made from books into research. When I was involved with NoMSG, we asked that why aren't we putting people's membership dues into research. One doctor on the board said it would cost at least $150,000 just to start up a study...then one has to find willing researchers and pay them a wage. I won't live long enough to make that amount on books! I can't blame her for wondering. Most people who call the number on our site are shocked when I answer the phone. They think that I am part of a vast organization with huge resources and power. Unfortunately, I am not. We are not even recognized as having a disease or condition, since we react with a myriad of symptoms. It was once coined, "The MSG Symptom Complex" by some in the medical world. But where has that gotten us? Most doctors dismiss us as having an allergy to MSG, which is wrong. But there is hope, and the last Canadian/autism study in the news may make some scientists scratch their heads a little harder. The right people have to get the right information about glutamate and make the connection to food. If anyone has any ideas how that can be done, let's share some suggestions. I sound like I am venting today! Sorry!
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We need to find a hollywood star who suffers - anyone have any connections? Couldn't you just see someone like Barbara Streisand, Jane Fonda or some new young star speaking out.
Bill S
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That would be something. Why don't we try something a little more practical. Like emailing all the 12 year olds that make those fast food fat videos on youtube and google video. And get them to overlay GOOGLE "MSG OBESE" on them.
Deb A.
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Posted on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 2:34 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Kathy Smith, the exercise expert and also William Shatner suffer from MSG toxicity. I know this as an ex- board member of NoMSG. However, they have made it clear that they do not want to get involved. People in the public eye do not want the stigma or labels, or they just don't want to or have the time to help. Whatever their reasons, it's too bad. I'm sure there are many more who are celebs who do not want to get involved. Several stars have autistic or ADD children. I know of one in particular who is in contact with someone we have helped in California. She is working on getting him to listen to her. He has a new movie out now, but I am sworn to secrecy as to his identity. That might be a better place to start...celebrities with children or family who have these conditions. If we can pin a few down, I would be more than happy to send them literature and a book......need names and agent addresses.
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Posted on Sunday, April 15, 2007 - 8:35 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bill S, Since I know nothing about what 12 year olds are doing on the internet these days, I haven't got a clue about what "fast food fat videos on youtube and google video" are. Are you serious (or sarcastic) about this being more practical?
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Posted on Sunday, April 15, 2007 - 8:39 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Deb A.,

What's the best way to find out who they (celebs with affected children or family) are? I have the time to do some research, but don't how to get started.
Deb A.
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Posted on Tuesday, April 17, 2007 - 10:11 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That's the problem. Most celebs want to protect and hide their children, even when they are normal. I think the actress who played the funny little hair dresser in Grease has a child with one of the common neurological problems associated with glutamate. I remember hearing about the son of one of the country western singers having a problem, but can't recall his name. Will work on that. You might try finding who sponsors benefits for such disorders and who gives big $$$. We can all keep our ears and eyes open and report here.
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Posted on Tuesday, April 17, 2007 - 10:13 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'd also like to get a list of the scientists and where they live, who participated in the Canadian/Autistic study.....maybe the journalists who covered the story...sometimes they can send information on to the people involved in a story.
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The effect of monosodium glutamate on parotid salivary flow in comparison to the response to representatives of the other four basic tastes.Hodson NA, Linden RW.
Primary Dental Care, King's College London Dental Institute at Guy's, King's and St Thomas' Hospitals, London SE5 9RW, UK.
Parotid salivary flow was recorded from eight fit and healthy subjects using modified Lashley cups connected to an instantaneous flow meter in response to gustatory stimuli. The gustatory stimuli were monosodium glutamate (MSG), sodium chloride, sucrose, magnesium sulphate and citric acid. Stimuli were applied for 30 s, and repeated after the flows had returned to baseline following the rinse. Subjects were a significant source of variation for salivary response to each different test stimuli (p<0.001).>MSG (umami)>NaCl (salt)>sucrose (sweet)>=magnesium sulphate (bitter). The relative responses of the peak salivary flows showed the same ordered relation. The peak salivary flow provided a greater contribution to the response to citric acid, NaCl and MSG compared to the response to sucrose and magnesium sulphate. PMID: 17028046 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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Posted on Tuesday, November 06, 2007 - 5:01 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

OK, folks. The correlation=causation bad scientific reporters are at it again.

They think sleeplessness CAUSES obesity.

What they never consider, but what we know to be true here is that MSG causes Obesity AND it also causes Sleeplessness. And so once again, their poor interpretation skills mistake another victim for the perp. They blame sleeplessness for the obesity while it is clearly MSG causing BOTH.

Be on the lookout for these ridiculous stories. It is usually two MSG symptoms seen together - Imagine that! But the media ALWAYS tries to blame one symptom for the other. Lately, it is gum disease and heart disease also. Well, if you are taking statin drugs - they cause CoQ10 deficiency - which leads to gum disease. OR if your high blood pressure is caused by MSG, and you become CoQ10 deficient due to constant assaults by neurotoxic MSG, the MSG caused CoQ10 deficiency WILL result in gum disease. And so, once again, MSG may indirectly cause gum disease while it is directly causing heart disease. Two symptoms of MSG, one being blamed (again) for the other. (That also may have something to do with the white things on tonsils - which I also used to get before avoiding MSG. CoQ10 is protective against bacterial invaders in the mouth.)

So be on the lookout for the correlation is causation bad science reporters. They're everywhere. The key buzz words preceding a story is always "risk factor". All that means is that they found that folks with one symptom often have the other. It does NOT mean that treating one symptom gets rid of the CAUSE of the other. I hope that makes sense. Poor interpretation of scientific studies doesn't help. It makes people run around like chickens without heads thinking they are curing themselves while they are only treating one symptom. Meanwhile, the real culprit gets away - literally, with murder.

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