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Roy Piwovar
Posted on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 12:59 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is MSG addictive? Does it contribute to other addictions? I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.

While the medical community is putting out pricey publications like the one linked below, we have to fight a war on drugs in our own kitchens.

http://www.humanapress.com/ProductDetail.pasp?txtCatalog=HumanaBooks&txtCategory=&txtProductId=1-59259-306-2
Donna
Posted on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 2:27 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I struggle with avoiding MSG and feel it is it no different than any other addiction at least for me. I know it is bad for me but it is a constant struggle. I think my body craves the rush I get from ingesting it. Yet I love the feeling when I have avoided it in all forms. Avoiding it is still hard since natural foods give me reactions as well. Lots of things I read on this board that other people eat I can't. I work daily to avoid it. Juicing helps but I wish salad is what I craved more of.
Lisa Marie
Posted on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 3:43 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

This addiction question I hadn't given much thought to. It prompted me to go to Pubmed and search for MSG. I apologize if this was previously posted here:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=14578125&dopt=Abstract
1: Chem Senses. 2003 Sep;28(7):631-41. Links
Monosodium glutamate and sweet taste: generalization of conditioned taste aversion between glutamate and sweet stimuli in rats.
Heyer BR, Taylor-Burds CC, Tran LH, Delay ER.
Neuroscience Program, Department of Psychology, Regis University, Denver, CO 80221, USA.

Even though monosodium glutamate (MSG) is a prototypical umami substance, previous studies reported that a conditioned taste aversion (CTA) to MSG, mixed with amiloride to block the taste of sodium, generalizes to sucrose. These findings suggest that the taste of glutamate mimics the taste of sucrose and raise the question of whether glutamate has a broadly tuned sweet taste component. To test this hypothesis, CTA experiments were conducted to test for generalization between MSG and several sweet stimuli: sucrose, glucose, maltose, saccharin and SC-45647. Strong bidirectional generalization was seen between MSG mixed with amiloride and sucrose, glucose, saccharin and SC-45647. Weak generalization was seen between MSG and maltose, and sucrose and maltose. None of the CTAs generalized to NMDA. These findings support the hypothesis that the taste of MSG has broadly tuned, sweet-like characteristics, possibly due to the convergence of afferent signals for MSG, natural sugars and artificial sweeteners.
Jerry Story
Posted on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 8:35 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

About addiction:
http://www.drbass.com/addiction.html

More general health stuff:
http://www.drbass.com/index.html
Carol H
Posted on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 9:06 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Since MSG, like glucose, stimulates insulin release, that may be where the body gets its signals crossed. The problem is, if glucose stimulates insulin release, then there is enough to go around, if it is MSG, on the other hand, there won't be enough glucose left. It's a cruel trick, where people think they're getting their sugar fix, but they they go deeper into an uncomfortable insulin reaction instead. The only thing that will help is eating more. What they choose to eat makes all the difference in the world. Perhaps the value of the macrobiotic diet is as simple as the fact that because brown rice contains fiber, it keeps the blood sugar steadier, and still supplies needed carbohydrates.
Deb A.
Posted on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 10:16 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Dr. Carol Foster, a neurologist and headache specialist in AZ, says people do get an adrenaline "rush" from MSG...she went on to say, "that's why they call it "party food".
Carol H
Posted on Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 7:01 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

GABA (which the body makes from glutamate) is involved in alcoholism. http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/0104/15alcohol.html
It appears they have found a gene for alcoholism. This gene involves the body's use of GABA (gamma amino butyric acid). I have long suspected GABA is what makes MSG so darned addictive, because GABA fits the same brain receptors as valium.
We should investigate any news items about genes. Genes are what the body uses to make proteins, which are made from amino acids - like MSG.
Deb A.
Posted on Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 7:59 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Then the food industry is getting rich by making us addicted to MSG.
Carol H
Posted on Friday, January 16, 2004 - 4:08 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Precisely.
Anonymous
Posted on Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 10:05 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

addictions a good way to describe that roy .i can attest to that .like if i eat one chocolate bar im hooked for say a good box of them or whole pound at one sitting.
anonymous2
Posted on Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 10:21 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Roy
the ? i had to you was ,was the price of that book really 150 $ or was that some sort of joke who in there right mind would pay that kind of money . i wonder if the library has that book .id like to see what would be so costly in a book like that .from a dr no less.what will they think of next.it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.
Roy Piwovar
Posted on Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 1:52 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

anonymous2,

The book really is that expensive, but you don't need to buy it to know that the food companies wouldn't use MSG if it didn't help them get people hooked on their products.
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