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Carol H
Posted on Friday, September 13, 2002 - 8:34 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I just looked up leptin, which is making the news lately as causing our obesity woes. It's made by our fat cells, but guess where it goes? The hypothalamus. What if leptin is causing our troubles all right, but because the hypothalamus - damaged by MSG, is ignoring the messages leptin is bearing from our fat cells:
1) we are getting too fat
2) we don't need to eat more
3) kick up the metabolism and get the heck out of starvation mode
Deb A.
Posted on Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 10:07 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You are amazing, Carol...this make such perfect sense to me. I remember one of the men who stopped by the booth. He was overweight, and laughed as he read about aspartame...saying, "I'd be twice the size I am if I cut that out." I told him I disagreed and shared my own story about how I lost weight when I stopped using it and diet foods...ate butter and lost weight....tried to explain the excitotoxin/insulin/adrenalin/cravings/fat storage responses, and could tell he wasn't understanding or wanting to. It's a crime..aspartame/MSG=obesity.
Carol H
Posted on Friday, September 20, 2002 - 7:04 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks Deb A, I just found a link about a study where lab animals with MSG induced obesity did not respond well to leptin. This suggests that the damage MSG does may inhibit leptins ability to act on the hypothalamus.

Found some more links too:
http://bibd.uni-giessen.de/ghtm/2002/uni/d020024b.htm#top

http://www.lf2.cuni.cz/physiolres/2000/issue2/iss2cl11.htm

http://gfb.cas.psu.edu/acrobat/ms020.pdf

http://www.uth.tmc.edu/apstracts/1997/endo/April/71e.html

http://www.arclab.org/medlineupdates/abstract_2307116.html

http://www.biomed.cas.cz/physiolres/2001/issue4/pdf/raccek.pdf
Carol H
Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2004 - 5:56 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

There is a new drug out to help folks lose weight. http://www.drugdevelopment-technology.com/projects/rimonabant/ It sort of sounds like "anti-pot". It blocks the receptors that makes marijuana smokers get the munchies. Sounds depressing. I'll look into it more, but this may be one new drug NOT related to glutamate blockers.
Tom Fernstrom
Posted on Friday, November 12, 2004 - 11:14 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Carol H.,

I heard it reacts to the same nerve centers excited by MSG which causes the cravings that MSG does. As a side note, I've convinced a neighbor to avoid MSG and take CoQ10. She does a lot of POT and lately has said that she no longer gets the hunger cravings -- I wonder?
Deb A.
Posted on Friday, November 12, 2004 - 3:55 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Tom, where did you get that information? If we could make the connection to the same neural receptors that are triggered by MSG, we might have a very convincing theory about why people are REALLY getting fat.
Roy Piwovar
Posted on Saturday, November 13, 2004 - 1:23 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Here is a link that may explain the actions of rimonabant:

http://www.neurobio.ucla.edu/~lmp/Varma2001.pdf
Deb A.
Posted on Sunday, November 14, 2004 - 8:33 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Roy, I tried to access that link, but couldn't get it.
Roy Piwovar
Posted on Sunday, November 14, 2004 - 9:44 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Deb,

Try this longer link:

http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:umye5IsTCsYJ:www.neurobio.ucla.edu/~lmp/Varma2001.pdf+endocannabinoid+and+glutamate&hl=en
Roy Piwovar
Posted on Sunday, November 14, 2004 - 9:49 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Deb,

Here's another link to the same study. This one has graphs and charts.

http://www.jneurosci.org/cgi/content/full/21/24/RC188
Deb A.
Posted on Monday, November 15, 2004 - 9:32 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Roy, I wish I were a biochemist when I read some of these articles! But from what I have read so far, this medication could curb the munchies experienced with smoking pot or eating MSG. The same receptors are involved...or am I reading this wrong?
Roy Piwovar
Posted on Monday, November 15, 2004 - 4:07 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Deb A.,

I read it as pot and MSG releasing the inhibitions on appetite. Rimonabant apparently works by blocking those two chemicals and restoring natural appetite suppression.

If people just stay away from pot and MSG they can save their money instead of spending it on expensive and possibly risky diet drugs.
clarissa
Posted on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - 2:55 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

hi all i got awful red sores on my legs only that bleed.itch like crazy till they bleed.anyone get that its making me crazy been eating better and its worse now than before any clue also asked here anyone remember the foods to avoid woman wrote here cant find it n keyword search ic diet foods that cause bladder urge to urinate please help
thanksclarissa
Laurie M
Posted on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - 4:27 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Clarissa,
Do you possible have psoriasis? My mother had real itchy spots that would bleed because she itched so much. She found that foods high in fat caused it to get much worse. So she had to avoid butter and fatty dairy products along with some oils I believe. If you are having a trong urge to urinate but can't or it is painful you really need to get checked for a bladder infection. They shouldn't be left alone. Once that is figured out there are lots of good methods to preventing them including some foods you can eat. I am not trying to insult you but could you please use a little more punctuation in your posts? I know it is common on chat boards to use lots of shortcuts and such but it is hard for me to tell where some of your sentences end. I know a lot of people on the board aren't used to internet shorthand. :) Thanks a bunch,
I hope I answered some of your questions. i had a lot of bladder infections before i got my diet cleaned up and changed a couple lifestyle habits. I haven't had one in over four years now!
Anonymous
Posted on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - 6:29 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm also wondering if MSG might be a major contributing factor to psoriasis. My grandmother had it and got it when she was 35-about the time that MSG what hitting the shelves for the first time-she was divorced at a time when it was unheard of-the war just destroyed her marriage. She loved cooking with "Lemon Pepper", and added it to everything she cooked. She gave some to my mum once and my mum used it now and then but recently read the label (after I discovered my sickness was caused by MSG) and found that it had MSG.

My grandmother also had lots of other quick&easy processed foods while she was raising her 3 sons, and working as a Registered Nurse full time.

Also my father in law has psoriasis and he's Japanese and eats MSG left right and centre -particularly after he became busy being a company president and ate lots of snacks.

Certainly it would make psoriasis worse. Something to think about...
Some people find it hard to believe but you have nothing to lose by trying to eliminate it from your diet for a short time-and may have a lot to lose if you never try. Take it from me.
Deb A.
Posted on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 9:09 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Many people who had hives, itchy skin, and other skin disorders have reported that MSG was the culprit. It does make my skin itch horribly. I would get patches that would itch/burn, but when they finally bled from itching, felt better. I know it was the MSG, but I also know that sulfites make my skin itch, too. Mostly, though, sulfites give me stomach distress. But I am not saying that MSG is the sole cause of psoriasis...for some, it is, I believe. The itchy hives are typically an MSG reaction. It may be that there is something that you are eating regularly that has MSG and/or sulfites in it , unknown to you, that is giving you problems. You might try keeping a food journal and record how you are feeling each morning and at the end of the day after writing everything you ate that day. Do it for a couple weeks, at least, and circle the foods that you suspect. Look at how you felt that day or the next, and you may see the culprit emerging. Other than that, check with a doctor.
clarissa
Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2004 - 10:42 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

well thanks for the thought on punctuation i didnt realize that i left them out.i type one finger at a time ,so i never paid much attention to it will now.clarissa thanks to the others for the thoughts i think its food related never thought of the fats, oils being the culprit do eat lots of that.thanks
Tom Fernstrom
Posted on Friday, November 19, 2004 - 4:37 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Clarissa,

Also check your heart. When I had Congestive Heart Failure caused by Atrial fibrillation in turn cause by MSG, I had rashes and sore that would not heal. The reason was improper blood circulation. Once I recovered and my heart returned to a normal rhythm (after two years) my sores and rashes disappeared.
Jerry Story
Posted on Saturday, December 25, 2004 - 1:55 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I found the following statement:
--[quote]--
No strain of rat or mice is naturally obese, so the scientists have to create them. They make these morbidly obese creatures by injecting them with MSG when they are first born. The MSG triples the amount of insulin the pancreas creates, causing rats (and humans?) to become obese. They even have a title for the race of fat rodents they create: "MSG-Treated Rats".
--[end quote]--

Does feeding babies food with MSG cause them to become fat adults?
Deb A.
Posted on Saturday, December 25, 2004 - 9:35 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jerry, what is the source of the quote, so that I can put it in my book. Thanks.
Jerry Story
Posted on Sunday, December 26, 2004 - 3:24 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Here is one source.
http://www.cancertutor.com/Other/MSG-Article.htm
But to verify the information (that (1) mice don't normally get fat and (2) MSG makes them fat), you would need to track it down to its original sources.
Jerry Story
Posted on Sunday, December 26, 2004 - 4:36 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Here is a better source:
http://www.low-carbdietwarning.com/low-carb-diet-161.html

Note the following statement:
"At first he thought it was just a fluke, but as the experiment progressed he noticed that indeed all the mice fed MSG became grossly obese."

(According to a different source, normally mice don't get obese.)

--[quote]--

Let us travel back to 1968 when Dr. Olney was conducting his experiments on mice using MSG. (Mice are frequently used as test animals because they react most like humans to MSG.) Obsessed with the microscopic changes in the brains of the mice he overlooked something quite dramatic first noticed by his assistant. She pointed out to him that all of the mice were grossly obese. At first he thought it was just a fluke, but as the experiment progressed he noticed that indeed all the mice fed MSG became grossly obese.

Since his early observation, other studies have confirmed that MSG causes gross obesity in animals. At an international neuroscience meeting, Dr. Olney was asked if he thought the reason Americans were so obese was, in fact, due to their high consumption of MSG additives. Since that conference in the 1970s, America has undergone this virtual epidemic of gross obesity, especially among its youth. One study discovered that animals fed MSG soon after birth preferred foods that were high in carbohydrates and low in nutritional value.

Researchers also found that this fat could not be exercised off and was extremely difficult to remove through dieting, no matter how stringent. Again, this is reminiscent of the problem in our population. Today, most processed foods contain significant amounts of glutamate, enough to produce injuries to our children's brains similar to those seen in experimental animals. This is extremely important when you consider that, of all the mammals, humans are the most susceptible to physical damage from ingested MSG. We possess a sensitivity five times greater than the mouse and twenty times greater than the rhesus monkey.

With this enormous consumption of foods laced with MSG additives, it is no wonder that we have an obesity problem in this country, especially when you combine the hypothalamic lesion caused by MSG to the high-fat and -carbohydrate diets of young people. Of particular concern is the suggestion that MSG ingested by pregnant women may actually cause this lesion in children while they are still in the womb. ...Our children have become lab rats.

- Russell Blaylock, M.D., Excitotoxins: The Taste That Kills

--[end quote]--
Deb A.
Posted on Wednesday, December 29, 2004 - 3:15 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks so much, Jerry. Good reading!
Flo McCrary
Posted on Monday, October 17, 2005 - 6:30 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I am just learning about the effects of msg on obesity. Six weeks ago I topped the scales at 300lbs. I tried diet after diet with little or no results. I've even had gastric by-pass. The program I'm on now is basically all fresh with basically no salt, oils or processed seasoning. In 6 weeks I've lost 22 lbs. but the cravings for various foods was overwhelming at first. Now after my body has basically been purged of additives I'm feeling better and dealing with the diet pretty well.
A friend alerted me to the studies on msg and I must say it really makes sense!
Where can I go to find the names under which msg is hidden in foods? Please inform. Thank you,
Flo McCrary
Roy Piwovar
Posted on Monday, October 17, 2005 - 7:16 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Flo,

Linked here is a list of hidden names for MSG:

http://www.ideatown.com/ntxa/ntxalist.html
Anonymous
Posted on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 9:21 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

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Carol H
Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 3:42 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A story about Atkins diet - it isn't healthy. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000102&sid=aIWlrzW5pYCc&refer=uk When are the cardiologists gonna stop thinking they are nutrition experts? When oh when? Dr. Ornish didn't take trans fats into consideration he thought alll fats were bad. Atkins had it out for carbs. In the last century, the doctors told people to smoke, eat margarine,and avoid sodium. Now all those pieces of medical advice related to food are found to be bad ideas. Here, we knew that avoiding MSG would help you regulate your blood sugar levels and still leave you with enough blood sugar to fight hunger, fatigue, crankiness, depression, bingeing, and muscle wasting. Too bad a lot of people are still following the Atkins diet.
Deb A.
Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 11:47 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

My brother-in-law suffers terrible headaches...dark circles under the eyes quite often. For years we have suggested he try living without MSG. He is the skeptical sort and his wife doesn't react. Anyway, he has gained a LOT of weight in the last few years. He has done the gym joining thing, different diets, fasts, and latest of all was the Atkins diet. He loses some weight and then after a couple months goes back to eating lots of items with MSG....and gains all the weight back and then some. It's so frustrating. Mike's other brother had sleep apnea...would fall asleep all the time...along with bouts of depression. He and his wife listened and he is well now. That was years ago. I've learned that everyone is different when it comes to handling the MSG information. One person will roll the eyes and one will make the connection. All we can do is what we are doing here....try to educate....those ready, will listen.
Zoomer
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Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 10:29 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A new scientific study on people in China published in the top journal Nature shows a clear link between MSG intake and obesity:

"Association of Monosodium Glutamate Intake With Overweight in Chinese Adults: The INTERMAP Study"

http://www.nature.com/oby/journal/v16/n8/abs/oby2008274a.html
Dianne
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Posted on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 - 5:58 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It's exciting to see that others are acknowledging the MSG connection. John Erb shared this link with us back on the 13th under the topic "The Petition with the FDA".

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/08/080813164638.htm
prg
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Posted on Friday, August 22, 2008 - 7:56 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Huh. Good thing the USA isn't having an obesity problem. Just them Chinese. No correlation.

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