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shelia
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Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 8:42 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Woke up feeling perfectly fine this morning. Ate plain oatmeal with some Imperial Brown Sugar and cinnamon.

An hour later, I had a back ache and my stomach was upset a little. I looked at all the ingredients again and the brown sugar had "cane syrup" along with the sugar.

Anyone know about this?? I researched Domino Brown Sugar and it just lists pure can sugar. Any thoughts about pure can sugar?
evelyn
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Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 9:12 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I was under the impression that all "brown sugar" is white sugar with cane syrup added. Learned that recently, can't recall where and switched to turbinado. Available in bulk at local fresh market (sprouts).

I switched to avoid additional processing though, not due to a reaction. My feeling is the less processing, the less chance of additives, such as flowing agents, etc.

This would be the first I recall hearing of a reaction to cane syrup. Not sure why that would be a problem?
sara
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Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 9:22 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

brown is added molasses I believe - that can be the problem

I have read (I am a newbie myself) cane sugar is okay but not beet and also to watch the molasses but not sure where I read it
evelyn
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Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 10:27 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

According to wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_sugar

but then this blurs the lines for me, between sugar cane juice and syrup and molasses - difference is not clear to me.

And why is molasses a problem?

Thanks ~
Di
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Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 12:04 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

shelia, Deb A. has said in the past that some oatmeal brands, like Quaker, bothers her. Have you tolerated plain oatmeal in the past?
bo'nana
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Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 1:03 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

sheila, i think its an unusual sensitivity but my whole family reacts badly to oats in any form... in addition to crazyhead mood swings, we also get the vague physical discomfort & lower back pain you described.
can you make a similar connection to other oat items, say oatmeal bread for instance, or oat bran muffins? oatmeal raisin or chocolate chip cookies? if you know you are fine with any/all of those then i would guess you would more likely be reacting to the processed sugar, or some other processing residue (ie- INSTANT oatmeal)
hope that helps!
ali
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Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 1:08 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

processed sugar means lower backache for me. several trips to doctors over the years found no reason for this. Only recently i finally stopped taking sugar in tea and the backache disappeared. Bingo, mystery solved. Any time i eat food with sugar in symptoms return. No idea why sugar should cause this in me. But it does.
Melinda
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Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 1:44 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I believe molasses is high in glutamates - during processing, it frees the glutamates up and so for some MSG sensitives, it will cause reactions. Correct me anyone if I am wrong about that, but I seem to recall reading about it. I just try to stay away from molasses.

Oh and I will get lower back-ache from oatmeal and some tummy ditresss too - plain oatmeal with nothing added to it (I think it is the gluten). Have you tried it without anything to see if you still are getting the back pain and tummy upset? (I know that would require taking a risk, but you might be able to pinpoint the cause better this way).
shelia
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Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 1:57 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I eat old fashioned oats. I can't recall a sensitivity to oats.

I think the issue maybe the source of the "cane syrup" which can from what I've researched be derived from different sources like corn. ???

I wonder if pure cane is okay? I would like to be able to use pure sugar for baking.

Tonight I'll eat a bowl for snack with honey to see what happens. I know honey is safe.
shelia
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Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 2:09 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh, I was wrong about sugar corn and cane syrup...

Ah ha...

"MSG, but today MSG is made by a fermenting process using starch, sugar beets, sugar cane, or molasses."

http://www.doityourself.com/stry/fdamsg
shelia
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Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 2:11 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I just found out I was glutamate sensitive yesterday. Does anyone know if agave nectar is safe?
evelyn
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Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 2:24 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well - as far as the oats go, my stomach doesn't always take kindly to them either - and I can't recall if they are high in glutmate as well. For me, i was thinking the maple syrup I put on them to be the real culprit, but then I had some that way this morning and had (very) little problem with it - I won't say no problem, because I did get a little reflux. I did skip the butter though, so maybe the combo of all three. As ever, so many variables! Oats are so good for you that I hate to avoid them!

Anyone know the deal with molasses? I found reference to "unsulphured molasses" which might suggest that sulphured is common? That'd be an issue for me. Not sure why I am going on about this, as I don't use molasses anyway! Guess it is go to know that I should make an effort to avoid it, if it is a problem child and maybe others will benefit from the discussion.

Where is Roy when you need him, anyway!? ROY!! you out there :-)
sara
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Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 2:43 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

This isn't my post - but I copied it and saved it and will post it for you. Someone had taken Deb's book and listed things she said - of course YMMV on all of this and ingredients in foods can change so check labels (like I am trying to learn to do myself)

Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 6:19 am:
________________________________________
last year i started typing up an index to the book as i read it. well i only go thru page 56 but maybe somebody will find it useful, so i thought i should post it anyway:

BAD INGREDIENTS call (800) 555-1212 for food companies’ toll free numbers
• Accent – MSG. P11
• Adobo – MSG. P42
• Ajinomoto – MSG product. P11. p25
• alcohol – can be made from corn, and have MSG. p27
• alkalies – used to make MSG. P9
• amino acids – some people react. P55
• annatto – can be spiked with MSG. used to color butter and cheese yellow. P22. p25
• Appetize – fat substitute. Can cause reaction. P27
• ascorbic acid (vitamin C) - most is from corn, but may not contain glutamic acid. P31
• aspartame – another amino acid neurotoxin that causes cancer and migraine. P7, 23
• aspartate – another exitotoxin made from vegetable protein. P10, 55
• aspartic acid – amino acid in aspartame. P13, 55
• autolyzed plant protein – MSG. P22
• autolyzed yeast – chemically processed yeast. MSG. P9, 22, 25
• Auxigro – 30% glutamic acid sprayed on Idaho potatoes and other vegetables. P32
• bacteria – used to make MSG. P9
• barley malt – some MSG from enzyme reaction. P9, 22, 25
• beef flavoring – MSG. P9
• bouillon, canned stock (chicken/beef/vegetable)–often contain MSG. long cooking. P26
• broth – foods made with this often contain MSG, due to long cooking. P22
• brown rice syrup – foods (cereal) made with this often contain MSG. P22, 34
• calcium caseinate – hydrolyzed milk protein. MSG. P9, 22
• caffeine – causes migraine for some. P17, 34
• Caprein – fat substitute. Can cause reaction. P27
• carmel flavoring or coloring – from malted barley and hydrolyzed corn. P22, 26
• carrageenan – from seaweed. Often contains MSG or has it added. P9, 22
• citrate – made from corn. Found in supplements. P55
• citric acid – now made from corn. foods made with this often contain MSG. P22, 49
• corn protein – foods made with this often contain MSG. P22
• corn syrup – less MSG than maltodextrin. Can have sulfites. P9, 28, 50, 55
• corn syrup solids – foods made with this often contain MSG. P22
• cornstarch – less MSG than maltodextrin. P9, 22, 49, 55
• cysteic acid – another exitotoxin made from vegetable protein. P10
• D-glutamic acid – MSG. P9
• dextrin – from corn? foods made with this often contain MSG. P22, 49
• dextrates – from corn. MSG found in vitamins and mineral supplements. P23, 28, 49
• dextrose – from corn. may contain MSG. P22, 28, 49
• disodium guanylate or inosinate – used to enhance MSG. MSG is usually present. P23
• dough conditioners – some include lecithin, whey protein or L-cysteine. P22, 23, 27
• dried seaweed – MSG. P9
• dry milk solids – foods made with this often contain MSG. P22
• enriched “anything” – foods made with this often contain MSG. P22
• enzyme modified “anything” – foods made with this often contain MSG. P22
• enzymes – if present MSG is usually present. P22
• excipients – in vitamins. P55
• fermented “anything” – foods made with this often contain MSG. P22
• flavors – foods made with this often contain MSG. P22
• flavoring – foods made with this often contain MSG. P22
• flowing agents – added to salt. foods made with this often contain MSG. P22
• fructose – made from corn. May contain MSG. p28, 55
• gelatin – always contains MSG, varying amounts. Processed animal by-product. P9, 28
• Glutacyl – MSG. P11
• glutamate – MSG. P11, 55
• glutamic acid – amino acid is natural glutamate, but appears on a label as MSG. P9, 55
• gluten – some people react. P55
• Glutavine – MSG. P11
• Gourmet Powder – MSG. P11
• guar gum – foods made with this often contain MSG. fat substitute. P22. p27
• gums (guar, vegetable) – foods made with this often contain MSG. P22
• hydrolyzed protein – animal, vegetable (plant) or milk. MSG. fat substitute. P9, 27, 28
• invert sugar – made from corn. May contain MSG. in cereal. p28, 34
• kombu (extract) – dried seaweed. MSG. P9, 28
• L-Cysteine – another amino acid neurotoxin. P7. p23
• L-glutamic acid – natural glutamate in plants and animals. P9
• Lawry’s Seasoning Salt – MSG. P11
• lecithin – MSG if from hydrolyzed soy. foods made with this often contain MSG. P22
• lipolyzed butter fat – foods made with this often contain MSG. P22
• liquid malt (syrup) – form of barley malt that contains MSG. p25
• malt extract or flavoring – some MSG from enzyme reaction. P9. p22
• malt syrup – some may react to this sweetener in cereal. P34
• malted barley (flavor or flour) – contains MSG. P22. p25
• maltodextrin – from corn. High in MSG. fat substitute. P9, 22, 27, 28, 55
• Manitol – created sweetener that can give stomach problems. P55
• Mei-jing – MSG. P11
• milk powder – foods made with this often contain MSG. P22
• milk solids – contain MSG. p31
• modified food starch – made from soy, potato, whey or corn. Often contain MSG. p27
• mono and di-glyceride – okay from vegetable or animal, not okay from corn. P49
• monopotassium glutamate – MSG. P11
• monosodium glutamate – MSG. P9
• natural beef flavoring – foods made with this often contain MSG. P22
• natural chicken flavoring – foods made with this often contain MSG. P22
• natural flavors or flavoring – can be autolyzed yeast or hydrolyzed protein. P28
• natural pork flavoring – foods made with this often contain MSG. P22
• nitrates – known to cause headaches. P32
• nitrites – known to cause headaches. P32
• oat protein – foods made with this often contain MSG. P22
• Olestra – fat substitute. Can cause reaction. P27
• pectin – foods made with this often contain MSG. P22
• phenylalanine – amino acid in aspartame. P13
• phosphates – meat rinse. Also in soaps and detergents. P56
• plant protein isolate – sulfites. P50
• potassium bisulfite – sulfites. P50
• potassium metabisulfite – sulfites. P50
• potassium sulfite – sulfites. P50
• protein fortified “anything” such as “milk” –often is MSG. P22
• protease (enzymes) – if present, MSG is usually present. P22
• reaction flavors – if present, MSG is usually present. P22
• rice protein – foods made with this often contain MSG. P22, 55
• rice syrup – foods made with this often contain MSG. P22
• seasonings – contain MSG. Sometimes is just a real spice. P7, 22, 29
• smoke flavor or flavorings – most have MSG from hydrolyzed protein. P9, 29
• sodium bisulfite – sulfites. P50
• sodium caseinate – hydrolyzed milk protein. MSG. P9, 22, 29
• sodium metabisulfite – sulfites. P50
• sodium sulfite – sulfites. P50
• Sorbitol – created sweetener that can give stomach problems. P55
• soy extract – foods made with this often contain MSG. P22
• soy protein (concentrate or isolate) – MSG from processed soy beans. P9, 22, 29, 55
• spice – can mean MSG, especially in meat products. P22, 29
• Spike – MSG. P11
• sprouted corn or wheat – free glutamate is created. P52
• stock – foods made with this often contain MSG. P22
• Subu – MSG. P11
• sugar cane – used to make MSG. P10
• sulfites – author is allergic to, as well as MSG. don’t have to be on labels. P6, 33
• sulfur dioxide – sulfites. P50
• sulfuric acid – sulfites. P50
• tetra sodium pyrophosphate – guy sick after eating canned clams with this. P21
• textured protein – MSG. P22, 30
• Torula Yeast – MSG. P11. p25
• tyramine – in chocolate. effects some people negatively. P27
• ultra-pasteurized “anything” – foods made with this often contain MSG. P22, 30
• vegetable gum – foods made with this often contain MSG. P22
• Vestin – MSG. P11
• vitamin enriched “anything” – foods made with this often contain MSG. P22
• Wei-jing – MSG. P11
• wheat – contains natural glutamate. Wheat starch is used to make MSG. P9, 28
• wheat protein – foods made with this often contain MSG. P22, 55
• whey – some free glutamate. also “whey” can mean hydrolyzed milk. P31
• whey protein (concentrate or isolate) – MSG if hydrolyzed milk protein added. P9, 31
• xanthum gum – fat substitute. Can cause reaction. Can be from corn. P27, 49
• yeast extract – chemically processed yeast. MSG. P9. p22. p25
• yeast food – MSG. P22
• yeast nutrient – used as a dough conditioner. MSG. P22. P27
• yeast, instant or special bread – contain nutrient or L-cysteine. P28
• Zest – MSG. P11

FOODS
• Alcohol
o BAD: wine, beer – sulfites. P50
• Applesauce
o GOOD: fat substitute in baking. P33
• Baby formula
o BAD: often has MSG. p23
• Bacon
o BAD: “smoke flavoring” can contain hydrolyzed protein or MSG. p29
• Bagels
o GOOD: if made without liquid malt. P25
• Baked goods (Bread, biscuits and muffins)
o GOOD: made using baking powder, soda or plain yeast. P25, 26
o GOOD: some rye bread and sourdough bread. P39
o BAD: from bakeries – some contain L-cysteine or MSG. P23, 24
o BAD: bread, dough conditioners, bread crumbs – sulfites. P50
• Baking powder
o BAD: can contain cornstarch. P27
• Barbeque sauce
o BAD: commonly contains MSG. p24
• Beans
o GOOD: dried (lima, chili, black, navy, kidney and garbanzo). P33
o GOOD: S&W low sodium kidney or canned black beans (rinse well). P41
o GOOD: Safeway refried beans – no fat. P41
o BAD: light color – often contain sulfites. Worse if canned. P33, 50
o BAD: canned refried – commonly contains MSG. p24
• Beets
o BAD: sugar beets are used to make MSG. P10
• Beverages
o BAD: flavored - often contain MSG and aspartame. P17, 23
• Breath mints
o BAD: can contain MSG and aspartame. P23
• Butter
o GOOD: if no MSG additives including citric acid. P27, 33
o GOOD: ingredients are cream and salt only. Organic Valley. P39
o BAD: some have annatto, flowing agents, ultra-pasteurized cream. P24
• Buttermilk
o GOOD: make your own. Recipe on p33
o BAD: commonly contains some MSG. p24
• Candy, candy bars
o BAD: often contains MSG and aspartame. MSG from whey. P7, 23, 31
o BAD: sweets often contain MSG. P17
• Carrots
o GOOD: if not treated with Auxigro. p32
• Catsup
o GOOD: make your own. P26
o GOOD: Muir Glen. P40
o BAD: store bought - always contains MSG. P7, 24, 34
• Celery
o GOOD: p30
• Cereal (dry or cooked)
o GOOD: shredded wheat, farina, oatmeal, puffed wheat & rice. p34
o GOOD: rolled multi-grain. p34
o GOOD: some Barbara’s. Kashi. Red River cooked. Envirokids. P39
o BAD: many contain MSG. P7, 24
• Cheese
o GOOD: cheddar, mild - some can tolerate. Avoid pre-shredded. P32
o GOOD: colby cheese, mild - some can tolerate. P32
o GOOD: monterey jack cheese, mild - some can tolerate. P32, 39
o GOOD: mozzarella – most are okay. P39
o GOOD: Tillamook Colby Jack. Imported Romano and Parmesan. P39
o GOOD: mild cheddar sticks. Mozzarella cheese sticks. P45
o BAD: cheddar, aged – enzymes create MSG from milk. P32
o BAD: processed – MSG from “smoke flavor”. Sulfites. P17, 24, 29, 50
o BAD: yellow – also contain annatto for color. P32
o BAD: blue cheese - enzymes create MSG from milk. P32
o BAD: cottage cheese - most have carrageenan, whey and gum. P24, 33
o BAD: cream cheese - commonly contains MSG. p24
o BAD: romano cheese - enzymes create MSG from milk. P32
• Chili
o BAD: canned - commonly contains MSG. p24
• Chili sauce
o BAD: commonly contains MSG. p24
• Chinese food
o BAD: often contains MSG. P7
• Chinese Seasonings
o BAD: MSG. P11
• Chips
o GOOD: no preservatives or flavorings. P34, 43, 51
o GOOD: some tortilla chips and salsa. P34, 45, 52
o GOOD: Ruffles plain potato. Santitos corn (water soaked). Juanitas tortilla. P40
o GOOD: corn chips – if without lime soak. P34, 52
o GOOD: guacamole recipe. Onion dip recipe. P46
o BAD: flavored - contain MSG and/or sulfites. P17, 24, 50
o BAD: some tortilla/ corn chips soaked in sulfuric acid. Could create MSG. P52
o BAD: corn chips – slow cooked could release MSG. P52
• Chocolate
o GOOD: high quality imported. P26
o GOOD: dark chocolate. P40
o GOOD: Ghirardelli dark chocolate chips – may bother some. P40
o BAD: contain MSG/sulfites. Milk solids, dry milk, whey, lecithin. P27, 35
• Cider
o GOOD: locally made. Pasteurized is safer. P40
o BAD: some contain sulfites. P50
• Clams
o BAD: canned or smoked - tetra sodium pyrophosphate, MSG or sulfites. P21, 50
• Cocoa
o GOOD: baking. Most brands are okay. P27, 35, 40
o BAD: mixes – some contain MSG (whey, milk solids). P35
• Coffee-free roasted grain beverage
o BAD: made from barley malt. p25
• Confectioner’s sugar
o BAD: can contain cornstarch. P27
• Cookies
o GOOD: Cookie Lovers crθme supremes – may bother some. P41
o GOOD: Paul Newman’s cream filled. Walker’s plain shortbread. P41
o BAD: can contain sulfites. P50
• Corn on the cob
o GOOD: fresh. P27
o BAD: contains natural glutamate, and is used to make MSG. P9, 49
• Crackers
o GOOD: Soda crackers - most are okay. Plain Wheat usually okay. P34
o GOOD: Ak-Mak. Kavli. Old Stone Mill. Tree of Life. Matzo. Wasa. P39
o BAD: esp. if (smoke) flavored or contain whey. P7, 17, 29, 31
o BAD: can contain sulfites. P50
• Cream
o GOOD: organic, whole. P27, 33
o GOOD: whipping cream – okay if without carrageenan or additives. P39
o BAD: can have carrageenan as MSG. p26
o BAD: whipping creams - some contain MSG. p24
• Creamers (non-dairy)
o BAD: commonly contains some MSG. p24
• Croutons
o GOOD: recipe on P27
o BAD: store bought commonly contains MSG. p24
• Dairy
o BAD: processed milk can contain MSG. p23
• Diet food
o BAD: contains MSG and aspartame. P7, 23, 24
• Dressings on fast food
o BAD: contain MSG. P17
• East Asian seasonings
o BAD: commonly contains MSG. p24
• Egg substitutes
o BAD: commonly contains MSG. p24, 32
• Eggnog
o BAD: can contain carrageenan MSG. p26
• Eggs
o GOOD: whole. Boiled. P32, 43
• Fast food
o BAD: most contains MSG. P7
• Fish
o GOOD: salmon, canned – naturally smoked okay. P35
o GOOD: fresh - most okay if not breaded or seasoned. P35
o GOOD: Erickson’s Choice canned salmon. P40
o GOOD: tuna, canned - low sodium without broth. P26, 35
o GOOD: Safeway Tongol canned tuna. P40
o BAD: tuna, canned – often contains MSG in broth. P7, 35
o BAD: frozen - some frozen contain sulfites. P35
o BAD: phosphate rinses can cause MSG-like reaction. P23
o BAD: fresh – some contain sulfites. Ask at counter. P50
• Flour
o GOOD: Gold Medal organic. Arrowhead Mills. Bob’s Red Mill. P34, 39
o GOOD: Most whole wheat and other grain flours. P39
o GOOD: Arrowhead Mills. P41
o BAD: bleached – has malted barley flour. Also cornstarch. P24, 34, 49
• French fried potatoes
o BAD: contain sulfites and can contain MSG. P6, 17
• Frosting & fillings (baked goods)
o BAD: commonly contains some MSG. p24
• Frozen snacks and meals
o GOOD: some Cascadian Farm organic frozen foods(vegetarian meal). P41
o BAD: often contains MSG. P7
• Fruit
o GOOD: dried - use dehydrator to make your own. P26
o GOOD: dried - unsulphured (unsulfured) dates/raisins. Dry pears. P35, 40, 51
o GOOD: mango, papaya, pomegranate, kiwi, pineapple. P46
o BAD: canned–can contain citric acid (corn). Sulfites not on label. P26, 33
o BAD: dried - some react to lecithin, phosphates, sulfites. P35, 50
o BAD: fruit rolls – some contain MSG and sulfites. P45
o BAD: maraschino cherries – sulfites. P50
o BAD: cut fresh fruit, frozen apples, flaked coconut – sulfites. P50
o BAD: grapes - treated with Auxigro. Imported often have sulfite. P32, 50
o BAD: apricots, dried - contain sulfites. P6, 51
• Fruit juice
o GOOD: grape juice - add water and sugar to make grape-ade. P25, 33
o GOOD: grape juice - heated and spiced. P33
o BAD: often contains sulfites and MSG. In pouch/can/bottle. P6, 33, 45, 50
o BAD: concord grape juice can contain white grape juice with sulfites. P25
o BAD: white grape juice – sulfites and corn syrup. P25, 52
o BAD: papaya nectar – sulfites from white grape juice. P52
• Fruit syrup
o BAD: contains sulfites. P6
• Gelatin desserts and candy
o BAD: contain MSG and possibly sulfites. P17, 24, 50
• Granola
o GOOD: granola bars. Trail mix. Homemade. P33, 43, 45
• Gravy
o BAD: bottled - commonly contains MSG. p24
• Gum
o BAD: can contain MSG and aspartame. P23
• Half & half
o GOOD: make your own with half cream & half milk. P33
o BAD: store bought commonly contains some MSG. p24
• Hamburgers
o GOOD: ok if no protein filler, seasoning salt, special sauce. P44
o BAD: fast food - can contain MSG. P17
• Hams
o BAD: commonly contains some MSG. “smoke flavoring”. P24, 29, 43
• Herbs
o GOOD: grow and dry your own. P28
• Honey
o GOOD: sugar substitute. P30, 40
• Hot dogs
o BAD: commonly contains some MSG and/or sulfites. P24, 50
• Ice cream
o GOOD: breyer’s vanilla – occasionally small amount can be tolerated. P33
o GOOD: some Haagen-Dazs. P41
o BAD: most contain MSG, often from whey or skim milk. P7, 24, 31, 33
• Jam, jelly
o GOOD: make your on. Recipe on p35
o BAD: some react to pectin and/or corn syrup in store bought. Sulfites. P35, 50
• Juice
o BAD: canned - many have MSG and sulfites. P33
• Lemon
o GOOD: fresh lemons - as salad dressing. p32
o BAD: lemon juice, bottled – contains sulfites. P6, 50
• Lettuce
o GOOD: p32
• Limes
o GOOD: p32
• Low fat & no fat “items”
o BAD: foods made like this often contain MSG. P22
• Macaroni and cheese
o BAD: boxed - MSG from whey. P31
• Maple Syrup
o BAD: many are watered down and contain preservatives. P40
o BAD: imitation contains corn products and sulfites. P49, 50
• Margarine
o BAD: commonly contains some MSG. p24
• Marjoram
o GOOD: p30
• Mayonnaise
o GOOD: Best Foods, Helman’s or Saffola but some cannot use. P40, 51
o GOOD: make your own. Recipe on P46, 52
o BAD: MSG as “natural flavor”&sulfur treated lemon juice. P7, 24, 28, 50
• Meat (beef or pork)
o GOOD: if not injected with MSG or dipped in broth. P23, 29
o BAD: processed or cured – contains MSG. P7, 17, 24
o BAD: beef - phosphate rinses can cause MSG-like reaction. P23
o BAD: pork (tenderized) – tenderized with phosphates. P23
• Milk
o GOOD: organic whole - Use sparingly. P27, 33, 39
o GOOD: low fat - dilute whole milk. P34
o GOOD: rice - use plain variety. P33
o GOOD: look for “cream top” milk in glass containers. P48
o BAD: contains natural glutamate and may contain MSG. P9, 17
o BAD: skim, low fat, no-fat –milk solids and gelatin added. P23, 24, 27, 47
o BAD: dry or evaporated – contains some MSG. milk solids. P24. 27
o BAD: rice beverages–can contain MSG if ultra-pasteurized. P24, 30
o BAD: chocolate milk – carrageenan. P45
o BAD: sulfites also in dairy products. Cows feed sulfa drugs. P47, 50
o BAD: Vitamin D fortified – often derived from Torula yeast. P47
• Molasses
o BAD: contains natural glutamate (& sulfites). P9, 28, 50
• Mozzarella
o GOOD: mild, fresh or whole milk – some can tolerate. P32
• MSG-free versions of food
o GOOD: on www.msgmyth.com - p24
• Mushrooms
o BAD: contain natural glutamate. P9
• Mustard
o GOOD: several brands are MSG free. P35
o GOOD: New Organics, Whole Foods or Tree of Life. P40
o BAD: common brands contain MSG. P24, 28
o BAD: Dijon - wine mustards have sulfites. P24, 28, 50
• Non-dairy milk in cartons
o BAD: most are ultra-pasteurized and contain MSG. p30
• Nuts
o GOOD: sugar coated – some are okay. P26
o GOOD: raw roasted/dry roasted almonds, walnuts pecans or peanuts. P35
o GOOD: Select Harvest. Planter’s dry roasted, unsalted. P41
o GOOD: nuts, raisins and dark chocolate chips as a snack. Dates. P45, 46
o BAD: flavored – commonly contains MSG. p24
o BAD: carrageenan or hydrolyzed protein used to make salt stick. P35
o BAD: many are treated with sulfur dioxide. P41
o BAD: shelled (roasted or raw) – some contain sulfites. P50
• Oat flakes, old fashioned
o GOOD: oatmeal breakfast. P33
• Oils
o GOOD: Olive oil, Safflower oil, Sunflower oil. P28, 33
o GOOD: Spectrum Naturals olive oil. Saffola safflower oil. P39
o BAD: can contain sulfites. P28, 50
o BAD: Canola oil - some researchers say this is harmful to humans. P34
o BAD: soybean oil - can be from genetically engineered soybeans. P28, 33
• Olives
o GOOD: black – use occasionally, may contain preservatives. P35
o BAD: oil and vinegar cured or green olives - sulfites. P35, 50
• Orange juice
o GOOD: add water and sugar to orange juice to make orange-ade. P33
o BAD: calcium and vitamin enriching can cause reactions. P33
• Oyster sauce
o BAD: commonly contains MSG. p24
• Oysters
o BAD: canned or smoked - commonly contains MSG and/or sulfites. P24, 50
• Parmesan
o GOOD: imported – some can tolerate. P32
o BAD: domestic – enzymes create MSG from milk. P32
• Pasta
o GOOD: imported. P33, 43
o BAD: some have reactions to vitamin enriched pasta. P33
• Pastries
o BAD: can contain MSG. P17
• Peanut butter
o GOOD: Adams 100% natural. P40
o BAD: some contain MSG. p24
o BAD: high in protein and sulfites are used externally on some nuts. P35
• Peas
o BAD: frozen – MSG added for flavor or color. P26
• Pectin candies (shaped worms, bears, etc)
o BAD: commonly contains MSG. P24
• Peppers
o GOOD: if not treated with Auxigro. P32
• Pickles
o GOOD: make your own. P35, 52
o GOOD: Farman’s. P40
o BAD: store bought commonly contain MSG and/or sulfites. P24, 35, 50
o BAD: relish – sulfites. P50
• Pies
o BAD: mixes – commonly contain MSG and/or sulfites. P24, 50
• Pizza
o BAD: restaurant or deli – commonly contains MSG. P17, 24
o BAD: frozen – commonly contains MSG and/or sulfites. P17, 24, 50
• Popcorn
o GOOD: dry natural. P34
o GOOD: ACT II. I Want My Ya-Ya. Pop Weaver. P41
o BAD: some react to possible sulfites or genetically modified corn. P34
o BAD: flavored (microwave or theater) – contain MSG. P17, 24
• Pot pie
o BAD: frozen – commonly contains MSG. p24
• Potatoes
o GOOD: if not Idaho & if not treated with Auxigro. p32
o GOOD: Jo Jos- baked slices. Recipe on P46.
o BAD: dehydrated, frozen, canned or peeled – contain sulfites. P6, 24, 50
• Poultry (Chicken and turkey)
o GOOD: labels that say “no additives or preservatives”. P27, 32
o GOOD: Foster Farms chicken. Organic free range. P40
o GOOD: Acme natural turkey. P40
o BAD: deli bought (fried or rotisserie) – commonly contains MSG. p17, 24
o BAD: can be injected w/ MSG or dipped in broth. P27, 43
o BAD: phosphate rinse can cause reaction. P27
• Pretzels
o BAD: seasoned – commonly contains MSG. p24
• Puddings
o BAD: packaged – can contain MSG. P17. p24
• Quinoa
o GOOD: rice substitute. P33
• Red pepper flakes
o GOOD: p29
• Red wine
o BAD: causes migraine. P17
• Restaurant food
o GOOD: salad dressing - oil/vinegar, lemon/orange, sugar/salt/pepper. P42
o GOOD: grilled fish or meat – no marinade, seasoning salt, sauce. P42, 43
o GOOD: Chinese – stir fry beef strips with veggies in oil/garlic/ginger. P42
o GOOD: Chinese – egg foo yung with no gravy. P44
o GOOD: baked potato with butter. Mushroom omelet (whole milk). P43
o GOOD: steamed, unseasoned fresh veggies with lemon and butter. P43
o GOOD: Burger King – burger with no sauce is okay. P44
o BAD: U.S. – usually contains MSG. P7, 17
o BAD: sauces, marinades, canned soup, battered fish. P42
o BAD: croutons, salad dressing, appetizers. P42
o BAD: soup – “made from scratch” can have canned soup base. P42
o BAD: Mexican grilled meats, rice & beans – ask what has Adobo. P42
o BAD: KFC – MSG in everything from the chicken to the gravy. P42
o BAD: McDonald’s–ask for ingredients. MSG in everything. P42
o BAD: grilled steak or fish – pan fried is better than grill MSG residue. P44
• Rice
o GOOD: brown, red wild – p33
o GOOD: white – rinse to remove vitamin binders and cornstarch. P33, 56
• Sage
o GOOD: p30
• Saki sauce
o BAD: sulfites. P50
• Salad
o BAD: bagged or deli – some are rinsed in citric acid. P17, 23, 24
• Salad dressing and dry mixes
o BAD: often contains MSG and/or sulfites. P7, 24, 35, 50
• Salsa
o GOOD: fresh in refrigerated area, without citric acid. Can make your own. P34
• Salt
o GOOD: sea salt, canning salt, Kosher salt or Realsalt. P29, 30, 35, 40
o BAD: flowing agents & iodine can contain dextrose or cornstarch. P24, 35
o BAD: Phosphate. P30
• Sandwiches
o GOOD: use sliced homemade meatloaf, chicken or roast beef. P29, 43
o GOOD: egg and tuna salad with oil, vinegar and avocado (no mayo). P43
o GOOD: peanut butter and banana, honey or jam. P45
o GOOD: tortilla roll-ups. Many options. P45
o GOOD: avocado, tomato, sprouts, raisins and nuts. P46
o GOOD: fried egg, mustard and catsup. P46
o BAD: coldcuts - USDA allows “spice/seasoning” to be MSG. P24, 17, 29
o BAD: coldcuts – most often will contain sulfites in some form. P50
• Sauerkraut
o BAD: contains sulfites. P6, 35, 50
• Sausages
o BAD: USDA allows “spice/seasoning” to be MSG. Sulfites. P24, 29, 50
• Seasonings
o GOOD: red and black pepper - P29, 35
o GOOD: fresh garlic and garlic powder. P27, 29, 32, 35
o GOOD: Chinese Five Spice, oregano, cumin, cilantro – P35
o GOOD: ginger, paprika – P35
o GOOD: chili powder, chili pods (pasilla, ancho) – P35
o GOOD: basil - P29, 35
o GOOD: Mustard powder, dry. P28, 35
o GOOD: Thyme - P30, 35
o BAD: Garlic salt – sometimes contains hydrolyzed protein.
o BAD: seasoning salt - commonly contains MSG. P24, 29, 35
• Seeds
o GOOD: sesame, poppy, sunflower, flax, caraway, fennel – P33
• School lunches
o BAD: contain MSG. P17
• Shrimp
o GOOD: large or farm raised. P35
o BAD: phosphate rinses can cause reaction. Avoid tiny shrimp. P23, 35
o BAD: sulfites sprayed on boat. P50
• Soda pop, soft drinks
o BAD: contains sulfites and MSG. P6, 7, 17, 34, 50
• Soup
o GOOD: frozen – make extra and freeze leftovers. Recipe on P29
o BAD: canned – often contain MSG and sulfites. P7, 29, 50
o BAD: dry mixes and dips – commonly contains MSG. p24, 35
• Sour cream
o GOOD: whole – okay for most people. P32
o GOOD: Knudsen’s or Daisy whole sour cream. P39
o BAD: commonly contains MSG. cultured product like cheese. p24, 32
• Soybeans
o BAD: processed - used to make MSG. P10
• Soy beverages, soy milk
o BAD: extremely high in MSG. p24, 30
• Soy sauce
o BAD: contains MSG from fermented soy beans. P9, 22, 29
• Spaghetti sauce
o GOOD: frozen – make extra and freeze. Recipe on P29, 34
o BAD: store bought commonly contains MSG. p24, 29
• Stevia
o GOOD: sweet herb ok if without maltodextrin. P23
o GOOD: Wisdom of the Ancients. P40
• Stuffing
o GOOD: recipe on P30
o BAD: mixes – commonly contains MSG. p24, 30
• Sugar
o GOOD: white cane. P30, 40
o GOOD: Sucanat. Raw sugar. P40
o BAD: brown sugar - Made from molasses. Can contain sulfites. P28, 30, 50
o BAD: beet sugar – sugar beets high in natural glutamate. Sulfites. P30, 40
o BAD: sugar production – can contain sulfites, especially beet sugar. P50
• Supplements
o GOOD: avoid them and eat more fresh fruits and vegetables. P31
o GOOD: Beyond-A-Century B6, Taurine or CoQ10 all as powder. P41
o GOOD: Nature’s Life vtmn C crystals. Ecological Formulas Tri-Salts. P41
o GOOD: vitamins without excipients. P55
o GOOD: put contents of gelcap in applesauce or with sugar and water. P55
o BAD: gelcaps – if made from gelatin or hydrolyzed vegetable protein. P23
o BAD: can contain MSG in cornstarch. Tablets. Sulfites. P17, 31, 49, 52
• Sweet potatoes
o GOOD: p32
• Tapioca
o BAD: tapioca starch is used to make MSG. P10, 28
• Tarragon
o GOOD: p30
• Tea
o BAD: flavored – “natural flavors”, citric acid or malt. Sulfites. P24, 34, 50
• Teriyaki sauce
o BAD: commonly contains MSG. p24
• Tofu
o BAD: made from fermented or hydrolyzed soy, so contains MSG. p24, 30
• Tomato
o GOOD: puree – recipe on P30.
o GOOD: Muir Glen puree. P41
o GOOD: raw or just heated through. P29, 32
o BAD: Tomatoes contain natural glutamate. P9
o BAD: stewed tomatoes - commonly contains MSG and/or sulfites. P24, 50
o BAD: canned – commonly contains MSG as citric acid. P24, 30
o BAD: store sauce, puree or paste – contains MSG/sulfites. P24, 30, 50
• Tortillas, flour or corn
o GOOD: without malted barley flour. Can make your own. P34
o BAD: can contain sulfites. P50
o BAD: flour - some contain exitotoxin L-cysteine. P23
• Vanilla Extract
o BAD: corn syrup often added along with corn alcohol. P49
• Vegetables
o GOOD: Stahlbush Island Farms frozen. Yokes organic frozen. P41
o GOOD: onions - if not treated with Auxigro. But high in sulphur. P29, 32, 52
o GOOD: cabbage - but high in natural sulphur. P32, 52
o GOOD: garlic – high in natural sulphur. Caution? P52
o BAD: canned or dried – many have MSG and/or sulfites. P33, 50
o BAD: bagged or seasoned – some contain MSG. p24
• Vinegar
o GOOD: organic pure apple cider (or plain rice sparingly). P30, 35, 51
o GOOD: Hain organic apple cider vinegar. Unseasoned rice vinegar. P40
o BAD: wine and balsamic contain sulfites. P30, 35, 50
o BAD: white distilled - MSG from grain fermentation. Sulfites. P35, 50
• Water
o GOOD: add lemon slice or organic peppermint tea bag. P25, 34
• Wheat flakes
o GOOD: rolled – breakfast cereal. P33
• Whey beverages
o BAD: commonly contains MSG. p24
• Whipped cream topping substitutes
o BAD: commonly contains some MSG. p24
• Worcestershire sauce
o BAD: commonly contains MSG. p24
• Yeast
o GOOD: Red Star plain yeast or “yeast” as the only ingredient. P24, 29
o BAD: most have some MSG. plain yeast does not have much. p24, 26, 29
• Yogurt
o GOOD: whole milk – culture on protein food may create MSG. P31, 35
o GOOD: Brown Cow or Dannon plain whole milk yogurt. P39
o BAD: usually has natural flavors, gums, milk solids, whey. P7, 24, 31, 35
o BAD: most often contains sulfites in some form. P50

OTHER BAD THINGS
• Air
o BAD: car exhaust, paper & lumber factory fumes – sulfites. P51
• Chicken pox vaccine
o BAD: contain free glutamate. P23
• Cleaning agents
o GOOD: All Free and Clear detergent. P41
o GOOD: Whole Foods grapefruit seed extract cleaning products. P41
o GOOD: Borax, baking soda, white distilled vinegar, hydrogen peroxide. P51
o BAD: can have lecithin, citric acid, citrates, hydrolyzed protein. P23
o BAD: avoid those with acids made from sulfur. Sulfamic acid. P51
o BAD: sodium lauryl sulfate/ammonium lauryl sulfate/sodium laureth sulfate. P51
o BAD: avoid phosphoric acid and phosphates. P51
o BAD: chlorine. P51
• Cosmetics
o BAD: can have lecithin, citric acid, citrates, hydrolyzed protein. P23
o BAD: sodium lauryl sulfate/ammonium lauryl sulfate/sodium laureth sulfate. P51
o BAD: avoid phosphoric acid and phosphates. P51
• Lotion
o BAD: can have lecithin, citric acid, citrates, hydrolyzed protein. P23
o BAD: sodium lauryl sulfate/ammonium lauryl sulfate/sodium laureth sulfate. P51
o BAD: avoid phosphoric acid and phosphates. P51
• Medication
o BAD: can contain MSG and/or sulfites. P23, 52
o BAD: hospital IV – can have MSG and/or sulfites. P23, 52
o BAD: sulfa drugs – author is allergic to, as well as sulfites. P6, 50
o BAD: pharmaceutical glaze for easier swallowing – hydrolyzed protein. P55
• Mouth wash
o BAD: can contain aspartame and “natural flavor”. P23
• Shampoo and conditioner
o GOOD: shampoo for color treated hair. Avoid hydrolyzed proteins. P41
o BAD: lecithin, citric acid, citrates, hydrolyzed protein. P23
o BAD: sodium lauryl sulfate/ammonium lauryl sulfate/sodium laureth sulfate. P51
o BAD: avoid phosphoric acid and phosphates. P51
• Soap
o GOOD: Clearly Natural. Dr. Bronner’s. Dove for sensitive skin. P41
o BAD: can have lecithin, citric acid, citrates, hydrolyzed protein. P23
• Toothpaste
o GOOD: baking soda or Homeodent
o BAD: can contain MSG (natural flavor) and aspartame. P17, 23

REMEDIES
• B6: may help. P53
• Calcium: Calcium, magnesium and glutamate interact. P55
• Coenzyme Q10: daily. P53
• Magnesium: help prevent glutamate from entering brain. P53, 55
• Orange juice: when symptoms begin. P53
• Taurine: during symptoms or daily. P53
• Water, laxative, fasting, enema: remove offending food. P53, 54
sara
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Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 2:46 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Also look at this page - I tried it out myself - didn't follow it exactly but was close

http://www.msgmyth.com/testyourself.htm
Roy Piwovar
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Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 3:13 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Shelia, agave nectar is a high fructose syrup. The process to make it is described here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agave_nectar
evelyn
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Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 4:31 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Wow, Sara - where did you find that!? Very useful, in that format. I'll be passing it on.

From your posting, Roy - wikipedia makes it sound like any high fructose syrup is bad. That surprises me, but should probably not at this point. I've substituted agave for honey, because of the marketing words, organic, natural, raw, vegan - fooled again! So hard to know what is good and bad. (hence my appreciation for Sara's post)

Any suggestions for healthy sweeteners?
sara
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Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 4:35 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

http://www.msgmyth.com/discus/messages/2/1116.html

I stumbled on it early in my searching here and both bookmarked it and copied it to word.
shelia
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Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 5:20 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks for all the info!

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