| Author | Message | ||
| Donna2 |
Is there a list you can refer me to of foods high in natural glutamate? I bought 5 copies of Deb's book and in the process of helping others, which is good, I gave away my last copy. I fit into the category of highly sensitive as Deb describes in the book. I am still stuggling with not sleeping at night. I guess it is because it is summer and the availability produce. For instance last night I ate safe chicken, grapes and an apple (both organic). I ordered two more copies of the book which I know will help but does anyone have advice for now? | ||
| Deb A. |
What brand of chicken did you buy and how did you cook it? It is hard to find safe chicken. I do okay with Foster Farms chicken breasts, but wash them very well in cold water, which I change several times. Also, we have been informed that most grapes, especially organic, are being sprayed with AuxiGo, a metabolic primer considered "natural", and thus sanctioned by organic growers. But it is 30% glutamic acid. Many carrots, lettuces, onions and potatoes are being sprayed with AuxiGro, to name a few. It takes time to learn all the hidden forms of MSG. Even the wrong process of cooking meats can create more glutamic acid from natural glutamate found in the meat....avoid long slow cooking in liquid or extreme temperatures. Some of the people here avoid eating foods high in sugar before retiring. Also, some say Benedryl helps them sleep. I have used a generic Benedryl type tablet (1/2 a tab) called Benehist that has fewer fillers and binders than Benedryl, and is not in a capsule. Similar copycat drugs can be found in most stores right next to the original. But I only use this if I get MSG and have a headache and want to sleep. It's probably wise to not get too dependent on such drugs. The foods highest in natural glutamate are tomatoes, dairy foods, mushrooms,and many high protein foods. ....but most foods contain some amount of glutamate...eating them fresh and not too ripe is best...not cooked long at all. There is a website that lists the amounts of natural glutamate in food. You can e mail "ME Morris NJ" and ask for the address. Her e mail address is under the "e mail addresses" topic. Hope this helps. Hang in there...it just takes some time. | ||
| Donna2 |
The chicken was Bell and Evans from Fresh Fields. It is really the only kind I buy. I know I do best when I stay away from all wheat and dairy and eat as natural as I can. Deb you were the one who helped me understand why I couldn't eat cereal containing wheat. I guess I didn't realize the organic grapes could also have Auxigro. I really have not had grapes for many months. I try and eat most vegtables raw. Thanks for the help. I will also be more careful and test one thing at a time. | ||
| su |
Sea salt on health food chips is causing me major pains! I researched and found out it comes from the white powder substance created by the drying of seaweed!!!!!! MSG THE ORIGINAL FORM! I mean I was sick with migraine for 4 days. I had that day. 1 week later I ate them again without the milk on a great day. Several hours later I was incapacitated. Now I can trace a reaction to all the items I have purchased with sea salt. I am sooooo furious. | ||
| su |
Sea salt on health food chips is causing me major pains! I researched and found out it comes from the white powder substance created by the drying of seaweed!!!!!! MSG THE ORIGINAL FORM! I mean I was sick with migraine for 4 days. I thought it wws the milk I had that day. 1 week later I ate them again without the milk- on a great day. Several hours later I was incapacitated. Now I can trace a reaction to all the items I have purchased with sea salt. I am sooooo furious. | ||
| Candace
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Everything I eat is causing me pain and bloating. I have had every test imagineable and they all come out fine. This has been going on for years. I had Chinese food a week ago and am still having nausea and diarrhea. Any suggestions. | ||
| Deb A. |
Learn all you can about the hidden forms of MSG in foods, here, in books, and on the sites listed at www.msgmyth.com. You are still getting MSG in the foods you eat daily, most likely. | ||
| Ruth |
Candace, If you don't already have Deb's book, "Battling the MSG Myth," it is a must read. It explaine foods in detail and why they cause such food sensitivity problems for people. Chinese food is the absolute worst for those sensitive to MSG. Even though restaurants claim they don't use it, it is still in almost every dish they serve, in the hidden ingredients. Glutamates are even in plain white rice (corn starch). Sounds like you should avoid all restaurants and eat only your own cooking for a while, until you figure out what you are reacting to and can identify all the sources of MSG in foods. I hope you feel better soon. | ||
| Donna L |
I wonder if any one else does what I have a hard time getting away from, I will be very strict in my eating and get to feeling better and then I start trying things and before you know it I am just miserable. Dumb I know I guess I'm still testing my limits. My five year old has been telling me for over a week ,my eyes hurt my tummy hurts, and my neck hurts. I told my husband at first I think he's getting the flu. After a week of this I remembered something I bought that I usually don't a box of hot coaco mix. The next time he complained I asked if he had any cocoa that day and he said yes. I told him I think that is what is making you feel bad and not to have any more, well guess what he is feeling better now. When I realize things like this I feel Ive slacked off and need to tighten up on the things I let get in the house. | ||
| Donna L |
I wonder if any one else does what I have a hard time getting away from, I will be very strict in my eating and get to feeling better and then I start trying things and before you know it I am just miserable. Dumb I know I guess I'm still testing my limits. My five year old has been telling me for over a week ,my eyes hurt my tummy hurts, and my neck hurts. I told my husband at first I think he's getting the flu. After a week of this I remembered something I bought that I usually don't a box of hot coaco mix. The next time he complained I asked if he had any cocoa that day and he said yes. I told him I think that is what is making you feel bad and not to have any more, well guess what he is feeling better now. When I realize things like this I feel Ive slacked off and need to tighten up on the things I let get in the house. | ||
| Deb A. |
Donna, don't feel too badly. You are doing very well and very typically. It is daunting at first as we learn to change our eating habits so dramatically. Occasionally we have to try new things to see if we can handle them. But unfortunately, more times than not, we find that a processed food item, even something so seemingly safe as cocoa mix, contains too much added "junk". In our book there is a recipe for cocoa mix...I am trying to remember it..looked it up: mix 1 part cocoa and 2 parts cane sugar. Keep in a jar. To make a cup, mix 2 T. with hot water or hot or cold organic whole milk (or Rice Dream Plain rice milk). You can add a little pumkin pie spice to the mix for variety. When I make hot cocoa, I will simmer a couple tablespoons of cocoa with a cup of water for a minute. Then I add a pinch of salt, some sugar and a little organic whole milk or Rice dream rice milk(plain only) to cream it up. Most commercial cocoa mixes contain dry milk solids, whey solids, lecithin, dextrose, natural flavors, ...all sources of glutamate. Just keep reading and learning and never give up! Trust what your son tells you and what your body tells you, always. | ||
| Mike Rowe
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I been reading a lot about MSG and believe that it's dangerous and should be avoided. I'm planning to try the 3 day diet listed on the msgmyth.com page. However, I have also read that natural glutamate, L-glutamic, in plants and animals is harmless when broken down by the digestive system. Why is it necessary to avoid these foods during the three day diet? | ||
| Deb A. |
What foods are you referring to, Mike? Can you be more specific? If you are talking about glutamate rich foods like milk, tomatoes, mushrooms, and such, they can be eaten in moderation. Since some of these are very high in natural glutamate, a person who is very sick due to MSG sensitivity, will do better to leave these out for a few days to help determine if their illness is glutamate induced. After all, even the natural, bound glutamate in foods is eventually broken down into free form glutamate, which might tip the scales for the highly sensitive. | ||
| Carol H |
I sincerely wish Mr. Samuels would refrain from telling the world that all natural MSG is completely harmless. He does all of us a grave disservice and weakens his own argument. This is my major complaint with the Truth-in-Labeling people. On this point they sound very much like the Glutes. Does he feel that natural glucose is always beneficial, in any amount - even to diabetics? That natural Phenylalinine is always beneficial -in any amount - even to persons with PKU? There are many errors of metabolism in the human body. No one can make the claim that "natural" gluamate is always harmless. I've got huge problems with Mr. Samuels spreading that dubious claim. He hurts our case instead of helping it. My advice to anyone starting out in avoiding MSG, is to limit any foods naturally high in glutamate. Period. | ||
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| msgkills Unregistered guest |
Carol: You are right about Dr. Samuels ... sounds like he is more of a 'natural' food advocate than a expert in the glutamate area. | ||
| Deb A. Unregistered guest |
I'm sorry, msgkills, but it sound like you are trying to divide and discredit some of the best informed and caring people that I know. Jack and Carol may be at odds about some of the theories concerning glutamate, but unfortunately, if the FDA did its job, we would have all the definitive answers that we need...and not have to rely on our own sleuthing and deductions. I have great respect for both Carol and Jack, the latter of which has walked the halls of Congress on behalf of all of us, and who has always been there to help me and other victims of glutamate toxicity and industry cover-up and greed. |
