|Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 8:13 pm: || |
It seems like deep-frying anything with protein could potentially cause problems with free glutamate or aspartate, which potatoes have their fair share of... As for Lay's chips, I agree that they seem to cause a reaction. Who knows if it could be the potato, the oil, or the salt these days... It is frustrating to not be able to find food when you're out and about, but when it comes down to potato chips, roasted nuts, even some produce...you may be better off hungry. For me, when I mess up I always wish I could have that empty stomach feeling back instead of the I-don't-want-to-live-anymore feeling...
|Posted on Thursday, June 18, 2009 - 3:20 am: || |
I researched this when I was reacting to potato chips. Its called Acrylamide and is a product of intense heating processes.
|Posted on Thursday, June 18, 2009 - 5:18 am: || |
And this is scary - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acrylamide
|Posted on Saturday, May 26, 2012 - 5:37 pm: || |
Can you share how you were reacting to potato chips. I suffer from intense muscle pain and can not discern the cause.
|Posted on Saturday, May 26, 2012 - 5:48 pm: || |
the potato chips are a high source of oxalate too - do you react to things such as spinach, rhubarb, beets, or almonds too? sometimes for women the reaction might be in the privates
Lays are not corn free either
I can handle wavy lays better than regular lays myself.
|Posted on Saturday, May 26, 2012 - 6:21 pm: || |
never heard of oxalates. I don't think I react to spinage or almonds. I am not sure. I have been battling this intense muscle pain OFF and ON for 4.5 years. Mostly on ut I get a couple days here and there pain free. Pain is in neck and back...the muscles seize up and pulls the vertebrae out and make me dizzy. grrr. Also get pain in my hands when it's really bad. I will figure this out...but it has been tough to discern the cause. I eat Lays a lot because I was trying to stay away from wheat/gluten as muscle pain is a common problem in regards to wheat. .
|Posted on Sunday, May 27, 2012 - 6:46 am: || |
cathy218, Although I don't know what is triggering your muscle problem I wanted to say that one of my reactions to FGA is a sore sacroiliac and although muscles definitely get involved I think the main thing that triggers my muscles to seize up are the muscle's nerves. Other foods and things can also be a trigger for me and I'm wondering if perhaps could be for you too....for me things like too large of a bed pillow, sitting or lying a certain way, anything mildly repetitive, looking up or down too long, a certain bra, can be a trigger. Muscles and fascia have memory so it's hard to break a seizing muscle cycle, but after 5 years of no-MSG/FGA and being aware of all the other triggers, I think I am slowly getting there and am breaking the cycle. Oh and BTW before I found this website I was in constant pain with inflammation and seizing muscles, so there is hope. Other things that helped was a couple of good physical therapists and two medications (for about 1 year) that helped stop the cycle. Also other foods can be triggers for me too - hot/spicy, alcohol, caffeine, tea (even decaf). Have you ever been to a myofascial release specialist? I know a fabulous one in Florida who taught me how to work on myself.
|Posted on Sunday, May 27, 2012 - 8:41 am: || |
I found this page on the Frito Lay website after I had a reaction to some potato chips where MSG wasn't listed as an ingredient and they were marked Gluten Free:
After the list of products that do not contain MSG, it says on the bottom of the page:
"The above products do not contain MSG; however, they are produced on the same line as our products that do contain MSG. Although the lines are washed between batches, a slight residue may remain on the line. Individuals who are extremely sensitive may be affected."
I now avoid ALL Frito Lay products.
|Posted on Sunday, May 27, 2012 - 8:47 am: || |
I seem to react to both high oxalate as well as FGA. The reactions are slightly different and I am still at the learning stage on which is which.
The FGA reaction includes more heart symptoms - palpitations and BP spikes and lots of tremors. The oxalate reaction is more pain for me and that includes muscle freezes - ankle area tendons cramps like carpal tunnel but it is in the feet - some hand freezes (couple finger cramping up like carpal tunnel this week) and overall malaise. I get increase in facial and mouth pain. The FGA reactions last 3 or 4 days. The oxalate reactions for me at least last 1 or 2 days.
I was led to oxalate by someone who also has "burning mouth syndrome" and find following the diet helpful even though I cheat all the time. I can see how when I cheat I get worse. I can also see how much I cheat affects the pain the next day or so. I can cheat a little and be okay - a major cheat will be pretty painful next day or two.
The potatoes used in Lays are probably both high glutamate and high oxalate. I don't know how many you eat at once. I pay the price every time I eat too many but since I have been trying to lower oxalate for about a year the price isn't as high as it used to be. I don't get the muscle tendon cramps in the feet in the middle of night where I want to scream bloody murder because of the pain nearly as often. I am also working on increasing minerals in my diet - mainly Mg but others too. I think all of this helps.
The idea in the oxalate diet is to gradually lower how much you eat - don't go whole hog too fast. As you lower consumption spots in your body with stores of oxalate will start breaking up and you will "detox" some and the "detox" or "dumping" periods will have an increase in symptoms. I have given up potatoes (except chips which I need to do), carrots, spinach, most nuts, chocolate (except when I am bad), limited teas, legumes, etc. I can eat pumpkin seeds which are high FGA but low oxalate. I make food choices based on what knowledge on oxalate is out there and am not strict "low oxalate". But for example if I eat some potato chips then that day and the next couple I shouldn't eat many medium to high oxalate foods. I do keep track of numbers not just what is "medium and high"
the second of these is a blog of a member of the yahoo group
I second the idea of a myofascial release specialist. The one I had been seeing didn't know much about oxalate. She does know a smidgeon more now. google this and I expect you will find hits in your area.
|Posted on Sunday, May 27, 2012 - 9:26 am: || |
It is interesting that you say you can tolerate pumpkin seeds. Ive been baffled by my inability to tolerate any seeds other than pumpkin seeds. They cause my finger joints to become sore and i have aching inside my bones (dont know how else to explain the pain).Ive never heard of oxalate. I will be looking into this to see if this might be why i cant tolerate seeds. Thanks for the heads up.
|Posted on Sunday, May 27, 2012 - 10:44 am: || |
That list you linked to is dishonest and can't be trusted. I checked the first item on it and it contained yeast extract, which is probably autolyzed and high in free glutamate. Several other items on the list are suspicious as well.
|Posted on Sunday, May 27, 2012 - 11:09 am: || |
a few months ago I was wandering the Lay's site looking at corn free - that list was crazy - I found an item which of course isn't available locally and looked at it's ingredients specifically - corn oil was listed - I have no idea how often they update their information and coordinate it but that site isn't to be trusted
I think any seasoned Lays will be loaded with MSG. The cross contamination might explain why I react more to plain Lays over Wavy Lays. Oh I can still react to Wavy Lays just it takes more to get the same reaction.
Ali - hope you find out more - but pumpkin seeds are low oxalate and other seeds are higher - some of them are lots higher. An ounce of pumpkin seeds is around 6 mg - an ounce of almonds is 152 mg. The goal is to eat 40 - 60 mg/day but my goal is more like 60 -80 mg/day.
If you join the yahoo group, in the files area is a spreadsheet with information on how much oxalate has been found in samples of various foods. It also lists who tested it and when (all recent testing is done in the same lab I think in Wyoming). I used this in making decisions on what to eat often when I started, carefully weighing out portions of the higher oxalate foods.
BTW - Lays regular chips tested at 26 mg oxalate per ounce - argh!!!!!
The diet or perhaps being able to finally tolerate some supplements has greatly helped me this past year. Deb's diet was a good start and actually was a precursor as I was lowering oxalate consumption on it but I knew there had to be more than just FGA after I had been on Deb's diet a while. So now anytime someone posts a problem where they think their trigger is a fairly high oxalate food I suggest looking at it.
|Posted on Sunday, May 27, 2012 - 1:11 pm: || |
Thanks di! Yes i get great muscle relief for a couPle of days and then it returns. Which meds did you take? I take no meds even when the muscles are seizing up...thanks for your time!
|Posted on Sunday, May 27, 2012 - 9:24 pm: || |
Clarification: MANY items on the list are suspicious.
|Posted on Sunday, May 27, 2012 - 10:24 pm: || |
Mariann that sometimes posts on here has long suspected Lays plain salted crisps give her a migraine. But then she can go through spells of eating them and be fine. I will pass on your info Sara as i think it will make sense to her and solve the "puzzle" on lays crisps.
Ill join the yahoo group and do some digging around. Ive been suffering with this strange muscle/bone/sore fingers thing for a long time and it has never really linked in with being due to msg all of the time. I can go through spells were i dont have it at all for a long time. Ive long known that i cant tolerate certain seeds or oils but again it never seemed to be msg contamination. Even organic versions can cause this.
Thanks again Sara.
|Posted on Sunday, May 27, 2012 - 11:43 pm: || |
Potato chips, even plain ones, are not the healthiest foods out there.
|Posted on Monday, May 28, 2012 - 3:44 am: || |
cathy218, I took very low doses of Elavil and Neurontin. They both helped to break the pain cycle. I hate taking drugs and once again don't take any, but at the time I was desperate and was glad to have them help me get through a horrible time. When my pain began it was only a couple of days a month, slowly progressing to about 20 days a month, but eventually over many years progressed to constant. Now I am very comfortable most of the time...what a difference.
|Posted on Monday, May 28, 2012 - 7:05 am: || |
Roy, i know they are far from healthy!! A rare treat...
|Posted on Monday, May 28, 2012 - 9:48 am: || |
Roy, thanks for the hidden names link, and other info. The product in question that got me researching was Ruffles, which is supposed to only have potatoes, oil and salt, as I recall.
I've been lurking on this site for a few months now, but decided to jump into this conversation to share what I'd found. Thanks again. :-)
|Posted on Monday, May 28, 2012 - 9:55 am: || |
welcome to the discussions marie12
|Posted on Monday, May 28, 2012 - 9:59 am: || |
ali - I found the yahoo group pretty much a try to figure it out yourself situation - most of my questions don't get answers or answers I feel I can trust but the spreadsheet of information you have to join the group to get
but there is information there just hard to dig out at times and I started by keeping track of "points" then lowering them - then adding some of the supplements they suggested very slowly - B5 / P5P, Biotin, Magnesium and Calcium citrates and a good probiotic - there might be more but this is what comes to mind immediately
|Posted on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 - 6:44 am: || |
Thanks Sara. Ill take a look at the spreadsheet of information.
Im just about to embark on magnesium as a supplement. Primarily to test out if i react to the various ones suggested here before giving them to my daughter. As im sensitive to msg and sulfites and various other things, i use myself as a guinea pig before trying anything on her. If it gives me headaches, stiff necks or i suffer a lowering in mood then she doesnt get to try it!!
|Posted on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 - 8:18 am: || |
I actually needs lot of Magnesium - I have added other minerals too - take a trace mineral capsule too.
I do Epsom salt bath, sometimes Magnesium oil sprays, and then also take it orally. It takes time to build up but I think it is helping and if I don't take it I get nasty muscle / tendon cramps in my legs/ feet.
|Posted on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 - 5:21 pm: || |
I feel great with the Magnesium Glycinate, and I'm starting to believe I'm fairly sensitive to sulfites.
|Posted on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 - 5:26 pm: || |
hmm - I should look into that - need another form of magnesium myself ---- I want to lessen the citrate I take and not sure how well the magnesium oxide gets absorbed
|Posted on Saturday, June 02, 2012 - 4:44 am: || |
I believe I too am probably low in magnesium but, as you probably already know, the magnesium/calcium balance is important.
"Long-term excess intake of magnesium can deplete the body's calcium, reports the University of Maryland Medical Center. Magnesium competes with calcium for absorption in the gut. When excess magnesium is consumed, calcium absorption decreases. Calcium deficiency may result if blood calcium is low to begin with. Bone strength, muscle contraction, central nervous function and hormone secretion are all functions that are affected by calcium, emphasizing the importance of maintaining the calcium/magnesium balance."
"When you hear the word calcium, bone health is likely your first thought. No doubt, calcium is a key component of strong bones but its presence in your muscles enables movement. Contraction and relaxation of your muscles occur because of rapidly changing concentrations of calcium inside your muscle cells, a biochemical process referred to as the calcium cycle. Too much or too little calcium in your blood may cause muscular symptoms due to disruption of the calcium cycle."
Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/464511-the-importance-of-calcium-in-muscle-contraction/#ixzz1d1lYfu6R