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Ken T.
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 1:30 pm: |    |
Apparently aspertame is a bad thing....was wondering if anyone had any adverse reactions to Diet-Rite soda. Diet-Rite contains no aspertame instead uses splenda. |
Ruth
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 6:44 pm: | |
Just did a search for Splenda and it looks pretty bad. It has pesticides and chemicals and has not been properly tested. The website www.holisticmed.com recommends Sucanat and Stevia as sweeteners, as do many on this discussion board. Also, there's honey. Ken, stay away from all chemicals and artificial foods. Eat like the cavemen did-fresh as you can find, and keep it simple. I'm sure you will feel much better. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2001 - 5:12 am: | |
Do a keyword search here for Splenda (see menu on left hand side of your screen). I think there are past postings. |
Roy Piwovar
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2001 - 4:25 pm: | |
The link below says that Splenda is not so splendid:
http://www.mercola.com/2000/dec/3/sucralose_dangers.htm |
Carol H
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2001 - 6:00 pm: | |
I was working at Lipton in the late 80's when they began tests on that Frankencarb. It scared me back then. Why they insist on putting chemicals not known to exist in nature into our bodies which have changed so little in thousands of years, is beyond my comprehension. I wouldn't be surprised if sucralose really messed around with carbohydrate metabolism. The science of nutrition is barely a century old. They just don't know enough. Whenever they trot out the "no evidence of harm" argument, have this answer ready - "Abscence of evidence does not mean evidence of abscence". Or how about "Ignorance is no excuse." |
Ken T.
| | Posted on Thursday, December 13, 2001 - 3:26 am: | |
jeese....just started into this....very frustrating...especially at the grocery store...what do you do at the movie theater when a nice bag of fresh popped popcorn with butter topping and a Coke sounds good with your movie! rying to make our 10 yo. understand why we had to take her costco vits. from her and all the sweets and mac and cheese as well.......very hard to explain without scaring children...all she thinks is the government is evil and they want to kill us. |
Deb A.
| | Posted on Thursday, December 13, 2001 - 10:17 am: | |
Ken, it is best just to tell children that the government has been fooled by the food companies and their food scientists into believing that certain food additives are unsafe. Of course, there are unscrupulous people in any agency who can probably be bought and sold. But let them know too, that more and more people, including doctors, are becoming aware of the dangers of MSG.
My 9 year old granddaughter is very aware of what foods most often contain MSG and is able to educate any one of her friends. That is the key...knowledge, and sharing that knowledge. And there is nothing wrong with bringing a bag of home popped popcorn, and a bottle of water flavored with fresh lemon juice and sugar to a movie. I bring nuts that I have rinsed well, dried on a towel overnight, roasted for 10 minutes at 350 degrees, and salted with Realsalt...available at health food stores. It is a lumpy powder form of salt, that when sprinkled on nuts or chips, clings to the food. We sometimes bring cookies or dark chocolate to the movies. If movie employees say anything, just mention that you are very "allergic" to MSG and it's in most of their products, including the popcorn. No one has ever asked about my bottle of water, which I take everywhere. Get kids in that habit, and when they get thirsty, the first thing they won't ask for is a Coke. |
Angie
| | Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2001 - 11:12 am: | |
Yes, Deb. Let's brainwash our children at a young age so they will fear food companies. Get real--you people refer to MSG as poison. It may be for those who are allergic to it, but it is not evil for the general public. I am allergic to grass, but I'm not trying to convince the public and the government to prevent the growth of grass! My family has been using MSG for generations. That's right--we purposely add MSG to the food we cook. Have we ever had any serious health problems? No. If you don't want to eat MSG, then grow your own food. Don't brainwash kids and try to change government policy. |
Ruth
| | Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2001 - 11:36 am: | |
Come on Angie, It's just not possible for most of us to grow our own food, and raise our own chickens and cows. Get real! It's great that you are not allergic or sensitive to MSG, but I am! I ate plenty of MSG on my food as a kid, but I can't do it now. I would have a year 'round migraine. I feel so lucky to have discovered this website. I used to spend most of my week in bed, not knowing how I would get through a symphony concert on a stage, before thousands of people, not able to get up and leave if I had to throw up-so I'd call in sick. My job was in real jeopardy! Thank god these people are here to help me and others figure out what's making us sick! I am the general public! Even 2% of the population in the U.S. is a lot of people sensitive to MSG! Just label it on foods so we can know where it is and avoid it if we choose. You make me very angry! People are being helped here at this discussion board. You are just taking up space on the board-people looking for answers are going to ignore what you have just said, so if you can't be constructive, just take it somewhere else. |
Anon
| | Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2001 - 12:42 pm: | |
Angie could be Don C.
Angie,
By the sound of your post, I believe you when you claim to have been consuming MSG for centuries.
Lets not let our kids know anything that may harm them.
Lets not tell them:
" To look both ways before crossing the street", because people have been driving cars for centuries.
"Don't drink the chemicals under the sink", because people have been using them for centuries.
The list goes on and on.
Feed your own kids all the MSG you want as it's a free world, but let others decide on their own. |
Carol H
| | Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2001 - 7:58 pm: | |
Take a look at MsgTruth.org. There's more new data. I used to work for food companies - they know what's in the food. They are just hoping the rest of us don't. There are many good food companies out there trying to do the right thing, and then a big food company tries to lie to the public using the media, to keep any of their market share from going to these good companies, and organic farmers. Not all food companies are bad, just nearly all the big ones. |
Deb A.
| | Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2001 - 10:39 pm: | |
Angie, if you read Ken's concern that his child thinks the government is evil and wants to kill us, then you might understand my answer and be a bit more compassionate, not angry. Give kids information and they can make their choice, but at least give them knowledge and survival tools and they need not be so fearful. Dr. Blaylock, a neurosurgeon, and Dr. Schwartz, a toxicologist, estimate that the 25% of us the FDA estimates are sensitive is more like 50 to 60%...do you have any idea of the millions that just 25% of the population represents? Chances are MSG will rob the health of someone near and dear to you. Hope the rest of you here have checked out the latest media coverage I posted a couple days ago. I have heard that the same program has aired elsewhere...NBC network. I have worked with several fibromyalgia patients locally who are 100% better since eliminating MSG and aspartame. Fibromyalgia is like an epidemic...as is ADD. We certainly aren't going to stop trying to help fellow victims, Angie. Hope you and yours remain unaffected. I ate MSG all the time. I was 100% fine until I was almost 30..then my health was gone overnight...took 20 years to discover the culprit and I had one foot in the grave by then. Thank God for the people at NoMSG who helped me that first year! Now I am privileged to do the same for others. |
Deb A.
| | Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2001 - 10:46 pm: | |
Angie, if you are such an advocate of MSG, why are you bothering to bother us? All we are is a support group for those who ARE sensitive. The only other pro-MSG people that I have heard from via e mail in the past worked for the food industry. One worked for a spice company and other for the glutes. |
Ken T.
| | Posted on Monday, December 17, 2001 - 1:50 am: | |
Ken<------Thinks Angie works for Kraft! heehee |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Monday, December 17, 2001 - 5:47 am: | |
This person who is writing and extolling the virtues of MSG should be ignored not responded. I believe that would spoil his or her fun! |
Anon
| | Posted on Monday, December 17, 2001 - 2:11 pm: | |
I agree 100% |
Roy Piwovar
| | Posted on Monday, December 17, 2001 - 6:09 pm: | |
Angie,
I am allergic to grass, too, but it is not going to kill me. I hire someone to cut my lawn for me. I can't hire someone else to eat for me, and until I can I want to be protected from MSG. I hope you and your children never find out the hard way why so many of us are frequenting this site.
Since you are such a trusting soul, I suggest you read "The Jungle", a novel by Upton Sinclair. It may open your eyes to the necessity of government intervention in the food industry:
http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Literature/Sinclair/TheJungle/01.html |
Deby
| | Posted on Monday, December 17, 2001 - 7:41 pm: | |
help please....i am just starting this journey...I have had fibro for years...though just diagnosed....I am sick and tired of being sick and tired...where do I start. On our local news tonight I just saw a woman with fibro say it was gone after getting MSG and aspertame out of her diet......will someone tell me where to start.
Deby
Port Orchard, WA |
Ruth
| | Posted on Monday, December 17, 2001 - 10:17 pm: | |
Deby, You've come to the right place. I'd start with Deb A's book, "Battling the MSG Myth." There is an incredible amount of info there. To start, keep your diet real simple with lots of fresh foods. Keep a food diary, trying one new food at a time so that you can see if you have a reaction. If you have a Whole Foods Market or something similar, start with organic fruits and vegetables if you can. Eggs are safe for most people. I don't do well with beef but many people here do O.K. Contessa brand frozen shrimp is sold at many markets. It has no sulfites and is safe. It is difficult to find a safe brand of chicken Belle and Evans is fine. There are other brands mentioned in other posts. Organic oatmeal with honey works well for me and fills me up. Avoid all packaged foods if you can. MSG is in just about everything, under hidden names, which you will need to know to avoid it. Dairy gives many people problems. Anything that says artificial or natural ingredients, or even just spices, can be MSG. I stick to water and a couple of single ingredient herb teas. There has been quite a bit posted recently on fibromyalgia-you can do a word search. I don't have those symptoms myself, but I'm sure someone here can help you. |
Deb A.
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2001 - 11:43 am: | |
Deby, you are not far from where we live in Tri-Cities, WA. Seattle has lots of healthy foods to choose from and I love the Whole Foods and Trader Joe's you have there. We stock up on the organic peanut butter from both places, but do read labels as many of the foods sold there contain glutamate containing substances such as whey and soy protein, hydrolyzed protein...many such aliases. Thanks again Ruth, for the good words about the book. I am curious Deby... was the news show local?...only ask because of a recent show done in Florida about FMS. What station and network and show was it? Perhaps I can find a link about it on the Net and post it here. Ruth has given you good advice. You can do keyword searches on just about anything here and in the archives, also. It will seem difficult at first as you discover that many of your favorite items may not be safe, but don't get too discouraged...it will be worth every effort as you discover the best way to eat. |
Roy Piwovar
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2001 - 7:10 pm: | |
Deby,
The link below confirms the potential benefits to fibromyalgia patients of eliminating monosodium glutamate and aspartame from the diet.
http://www.fibrom-l.org/res.htm
The best way to start is to go through your pantry and segregate out everything that has them listed in the ingredients, paying attention to the hidden sources. You can print out the list linked below for that purpose and also use it in food stores:
http://www.ideatown.com/ntxa/neurotoxinlist.htm |
Deb A.
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2001 - 8:49 am: | |
Roy, these are excellent links. It's so heartening to know that there is a growing awareness of the excitotoxin link in the Fibromyalgia network. Deby has informed me that the show she saw was a local one, not related to the one in Florida on Fibromyalgia. Years ago, I heard from Judy O'Conner, head of a large Fibromyalgia group near Chicago. In fact, she came to see me when visiting a daughter who lives in WA. Her name is known in much of the FMS world. At that time, she was still not sure of the MSG link, as she had just heard about it from an acquaintance who had my book. After an hour of talking and trying to make her see the connection, she asked if she could use some info out of the book and take some of what she had just learned to write an article for her newsletter, which reached thousands in her area and around the country. What a thrill that was. Later we arranged to have Jack Samuels talk to her group, which he did. He lives near her. I told Mike at the time, that I felt the the growing epidemic of Fibromyalgia would one day be one of the main things to blow the lid off neurotoxins in our food. I believe it is happening. The word is traveling among FMS sufferers, and it is about time. Next, it will hit the ADD community, and conditions related to children. The word is spreading, folks, and we are all a part of it!!!!  |
Deb A.
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2001 - 8:51 am: | |
Roy, do you know who is the author of the first link? Website address? To think there was nothing about MSG out there a few short years ago! |
Tom Fernstrom
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2001 - 9:25 am: | |
Deb A.,
I decided to send the below e-mail to the keepers of the Fibromyalgia site. Hope you don't mind.
***************
Jane and Chip,
After reviewing the Fibromyalgia site, I noticed a number references to Fibromyalgia sufferers being helped by the elimination of MSG and Aspartame from their diets.
For those people who may be helped by this, there is a website at:
http://www.msgmyth.com
and a discussion group at:
http://www.msgmyth.com/discus/index.html
There is also a book "Battling the "MSG Myth", A Survival Guide and Cookbook" written by Debby Anglesey which would be an excellent resource for helping avoid MSG & Aspartame in todays world of food products.
Thank you in advance for consideration,
Tom Fernstrom |
Deb A.
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2001 - 1:47 pm: | |
Tom, a million thank you's for being so on the ball. That's what we call being pro-active. Lately, I haven't been able to do much to be called that, but what you and Roy and others are always doing by informing net groups and others about our site is so encouraging to me. If we can reach more Fibromyalgia support groups some way, that would be super. We have to strike while the iron is hot, and Fibromyalgia is a hot subject right now. If any of us see articles in the news or magazines, let's inform each other of them. Then we can blitz them with our info and commendations for enlightening readers/viewers. Just following up with letters to the editor can lead to their being printed also, which lets more people become informed. EVERYBODY now knows someone with FMS. Good job, Tom! |
Roy Piwovar
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2001 - 4:52 pm: | |
The news is reaching other groups, too:
http://www.chronicfatiguesupport.com/library/showarticle.cfm/ID/3061
Here is the entire article on fibromyalgia and excitotoxins:
http://phth.allenpress.com/phthonline/?request=get-document&issn=1060-0280&volume=035&issue=06&page=0702 |
Gerry Bush
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2001 - 5:22 pm: | |
Here's another interesting TV link on Fibromyalgia as it relates to MSG and aspartame.
http://www.abc27.com/showstory.hrb?f=n&s=25370&f1=hea |
Deby
| | Posted on Thursday, December 20, 2001 - 6:20 am: | |
I am so appreciative for all of these sites. I talked to my dh last night and explained to him the HOPE that is swelling up inside of me at the prospect of getting better and feeling better. My goal would to get off the myriad of meds my dr. has me on. I know to I will have to wean off these. Deb, I will be sending off a money order next week. Hope to get started on this, right after the holidays. TIA |
DJ
| | Posted on Thursday, December 20, 2001 - 3:30 pm: | |
Hi everyone,
It is truly exciting that other newsgroups are catching on..
I use to post on a Rosacea group awhile back, but there was one poster who would humiliate anyone who even hinted that Rosacea was to be treated with anything other than medication. I strongly believe that he was an insider who was worried that some people were beginning to catch on..... BTW....he was a pharmacist, or so he led us to believe. Everytime I would mention doing better by eliminating MSG, he would belittle me.
I strongly believe with all my heart, that there are some people who absolutely know the truth. It is funny, but the Rosacea Society is sponsored by Galderma, the company who makes the metrocream that is perscribed the most for Rosacea.
It is good to know that I can post here, and say to anyone who is reading this, that individuals who have Rosacea can benefit by TOTALLY eliminating MSG from their diets.
DJ |
Roy Piwovar
| | Posted on Thursday, December 20, 2001 - 7:33 pm: | |
DJ,
If MSG can cause flushing, that can't be good for people with Rosacea:
http://www.dermnet.org.nz/index.html |
Roy Piwovar
| | Posted on Thursday, December 20, 2001 - 7:40 pm: | |
DJ,
Sorry, the above link doesn't take you to the intended article. The one below does:
http://dermnetnz.org/dna.flushing/flush.html |
Donna
| | Posted on Friday, December 21, 2001 - 4:16 am: | |
I was told I had Rosacea and was being referred to another doctor. It is gone since I discovered Deb's book and changing my diet. |
MARY A
| | Posted on Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 12:38 pm: | |
THE SHOW ON FIBRO AND MSG WAS ON KING 5 TV IN SEATTLE ON DEC 17. YOU CAN SEE IT BY CLICKING ON HEALTHLINF AND DOING A SEACH ON FIBRO AND MSG. I LOOKED IT UP LAST NIGHT AS I LIVE IN THIS AREA AND HAVE FIBRO. |
Deb A.
| | Posted on Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 11:23 pm: | |
Thanks Mary and Roy. |
Tom Fernstrom
| | Posted on Sunday, December 23, 2001 - 6:18 am: | |
Mary A,
I copied and pasted the summary of the TV show below:
New treatment for fibromyalgia
12/17/2001
Reported by Jean Enersen, KING 5 News
Darlene starts each day with a walk. It's something she couldn't do nine years ago. Darlene suffers from fibromyalgia, a disorder that causes severe pain all over her body.
"Basically, five days out of the week I didn't get out of bed. Oh, a couple of hours during the day, but that's about it,” says Darlene.
After years of therapy and 13 different medications, Darlene tried a new treatment - a changed diet. She eliminated two things - aspartame and monosodium glutamate or MSG. Today her pain is gone.
"I woke up about three weeks later, and I didn't hurt when I got out of bed," she says.
Dr. Siegfried Schmidt had four other patients like Darlene try this diet. The patients suffered from allergies and fibromyalgia. He says the results surprised him.
"These people are back to normal life, which is, when you come from chronic pain, to be normal, this is a miracle," says Dr. Schmidt.
Dr. Schmidt thinks the chemicals in the food could affect the brain and cause the pain.
"To me, in a disease where we have no treatment, we don't know what it is, but we can eliminate it in some people with just a dietary regimen. To me, that's, I mean, what are we waiting for?" he says.
It's difficult for Darlene to think about the years she lost.
I get sad about it because I would have like to have known earlier," she says.
But now she can finally enjoy life again.
Eliminating MSG and aspartame from your diet is more difficult than you may think. Darlene says she has to read labels very carefully and eat a lot of fresh fruits and vegetables. She says if she accidentally eats aspartame or MSG, the pain comes back within hours.
Many processed foods contain MSG and aspartame and you may be unaware since they can be listed as other ingredients. According to Truth in Labeling Campaign, the following substances always contain MSG:
Glutamate
Monosodium glutamate
Monopotassium glutamate
Glutamic acid
Calcium caseinate
Sodium caseinate
Gelatin
Textured protein
Hydrolyzed protein
Yeast extract
Yeast food
Autolyzed yeast
Yeast nutrient |
Gerry Bush
| | Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2002 - 10:16 pm: | |
Don't anyone eat Breyers Vanilla ice cream!!!!! After eating only about a half cup of the stuff, I am covered with my usual rash and "burns". Within 1/2 hour of eating it I came down with a bad migraine, shortly after the red, itching rash started.
It is amazing that they can get away with labeling the stuff: "cream, sugar, and natural vanilla". Definitely not true. |
John Brodar
| | Posted on Monday, January 14, 2002 - 7:29 am: | |
Gerry, sorry to hear about another flare up for you. I found that Hagendaus (?) ice cream (chocolate) does not seem to bother me. Im not sure about the cherry in the cherry vanilla. I suspect that the fruit is highly processed and may be a source of MSG. |
Evelyn H.
| | Posted on Monday, January 14, 2002 - 10:30 am: | |
Gerry--I have had good luck with Breyers Vanilla in the past. Sorry to hear about your symptoms. |
Deb A.
| | Posted on Monday, January 14, 2002 - 12:35 pm: | |
Does the Breyer's contain milk, also? If so, they may be adding it in the form of dry milk solids, a real bad product for us...high in glutamte. Also, most ice creams contain sulfites, one of the most prevalent preservatives used in dairy products, according to Ruth Winters, in her book. And it's not labeled. Jack Samuels says that at the Breyer's plant, they do not clean out the machinery between the various vanilla ice creams they make....the "new" Homestyle variety contains lots of glutamate. He suspects that there is cross contamination going on, too. I'm so sorry you are suffering, Gerry. |
Marilynn
| | Posted on Monday, January 14, 2002 - 2:26 pm: | |
This message board is helping me so much! I too saw the report on King T.V. and as I have fibro it really interested me. So went hunting and found all of you and a lot of my questions have been answered already. I am finding it very hard as we live in a very small town, thus not much to choose from. It is also so hard to break the habit of not having to really think before reaching for something to eat. So right now mainly sticking to oatmeal, fruit and veggies but I will branch out as I learn more. Thanks for all the information, questions and answers. |
Roy Piwovar
| | Posted on Monday, January 14, 2002 - 4:22 pm: | |
I can believe the possibility of cross-contamination of the Breyer's "all-natural" vanilla ice cream. They even had a problem with metal pieces in it a while back:
http://www.af.mil/news/Mar1999/n19990310_990382.html |
Deby
| | Posted on Monday, January 14, 2002 - 4:31 pm: | |
Wow another King 5'er..and with fibro too, are you Mary's friend.....Yes this board has been my lifeline along with the book. I find my self stressing over it....Maybe I should just start with oatmeal. In my diet for the past 2 weeks I have had.....
Organic chicken and beef,organic veggies,brown rice cakes, no salt...olive oil, lemon,cider vinegar(not for the past 4 days)EGGS, Trader Joe's tuna,,,,lemons,,,,3 appleas at the beginning, organic short grain brown rice. My grocery bill is killing us. I drink only purified water....I still don't feel like I am doing it right and wish I could relax a bit more.
Deby
another King5'er |
Marilynn
| | Posted on Monday, January 14, 2002 - 5:16 pm: | |
Hi Deby! I sure do relate to wishing I could relax a bit more about all of this. Also I am sure I am not doing it right yet. I have been reading so much but have a hard time retaining it all due to foggy brain. The more I read the less food I find is safe to consume. Sure want to do this properly and see if my fibro symptoms lessen. |
Gerry Bush
| | Posted on Monday, January 14, 2002 - 9:38 pm: | |
Deby- Don't eat oatmeal! High in gluten and makes me real sick. Try the brown rice farina cereal called "Bob's Red Mill". It's safe and delicious. Try adding some frozen organic blueberries from Trader Joe's after you cook it. They warm real fast in the cereal and are yummy.
As to the Breyer's Natural Plain vanilla....it says only cream, sugar and natural vanilla as ingredients. Hrmmph! No way. Breyers used to be made in a factory in Philadelphia and was an old family recipe. A few years ago the company was bought out by a large ice cream conglomerate and they closed the factory in Philadelphia. The manufacturing was moved to a factory in Connecticut where they were already making other ice creams that had lots of additives. They now seem to have succeeded in the cross contamination that Roy refers to above. Beware of Breyers! I am certain that was the cause of my recent reaction. There were no other possible sources. |
Deb A.
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2002 - 10:37 am: | |
One other thing to consider in the Breyer's ice cream, Gerry. My sister brought me back a bottle of real vanilla from Mexico. I am getting suspicious of it now. When I use it, I get terrible itching and hives...at least I am beginning to narrow it down to this product. It could be the milk or butter or flour I used in recipes when I have used the vanilla, also. But I also got itching the last time I had Breyer's vanilla ice cream. I'm thinking preservative or alcohol in the vanilla???? Hmmm. This game of detective is a pain, but still very important, as we try to help each other. |
Ruth
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2002 - 1:45 pm: | |
I think it was Good Humor that bought Breyers a few years ago. Natural flavors are as bad as artificial flavors for me. Maybe it's the processing. I hate the fact that food companies insist on putting natural flavors into their foods. I even saw a brand of butter that contained natural flavors! Ridiculous!
I guess the butter was poor quality to begin with, so they had to boost the flavor.
I'm taking licorice root extract, one of my many supplements from my doctor. To get rid of the alcohol, I first boil water, then turn off the flame and add the extract. That takes care of the alcohol, but I might be getting something else with it. |
Deb A.
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2002 - 4:21 pm: | |
Ruth, what is the licorice root supposed to do?
You have me curious. |
Roy Piwovar
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2002 - 5:24 pm: | |
Licorice root is said to be a source of magnesium:
http://1001herbs.com/licoriceroot/
a calcium channel blocker, protecting against MSG, a calcium channel opener:
http://www.holisticmed.com/msg/msg-mark.txt |
Ruth
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2002 - 6:32 pm: | |
My doctor says to take the licorice root and pantothenic acid for adrenals. I think it is to boost the immune system. Haven't tried the pantothenic acid yet-one thing at a time. I am being treated for yeast and leaky gut and taking about 8 different supplements so far. Every 6 weeks he adds more things. I still continue to be more and more sensitive to almost everything I eat (a symptom of leaky gut), but I'm feeling better, maybe because he added something to my Thyroid pill. I tried an organic yam twice last month and got a headache both times. I am really concerned about the calcium pills from Country Life, a post from last week. Looks like there are glutamates and aspertates in the calcium and magnesium, and although I feel good now, I'm worried they are going to build up in my system. I need to find something that I can safely take 1,000-1,500 mg. a day. I'll go back and read some posts on calcium. |
amh
| | Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2002 - 2:11 pm: | |
Hello,
I read yesterday the post by Gerry Bush. Wrote down the name of the brand for the "Bobs Red Mill" farina. When I got home on the first page of Vegetarian Magazine was an ad for that company.
The ad says they have over forty different cereals to choose from. WWW.bobsredmill.com
Thanks Gerry, I need a substitute for the oatmeal. While it doesn't make me sick, I do get very stiff when I eat it. I need something with some staying power. |
Carol H
| | Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2002 - 3:27 pm: | |
I just tried a cream of buckwheat product from http://www.thebirkettmills.com The brand is Pocono. If you are allergic to wheat and gluten and can't eat oats, its a good substitute. It's pretty good. |
Deb A.
| | Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2002 - 4:52 pm: | |
We love the Arrowhead Mills Rice is Nice (like cream of rice). It is made from brown rice and is delicious. |
Gerry Bush
| | Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2002 - 7:53 pm: | |
amh- try the frozen organic blueberries from trader Joe's in that rice farina. It's yummy! |
DaScientist
| | Posted on Thursday, March 14, 2002 - 7:23 am: | |
There is no such thing as MSG allergy. MSG is a chemical poison and it affects everybody. The theme should be MSG resistance, how much can you handle and for how long?
Different people have different resistance to MSG, like different people are more resistants to some poisons than others. Even those claiming that MSG does nothing to them are getting fu ck up by it and sooner or later will feel its effects. |
Deb A.
| | Posted on Thursday, March 14, 2002 - 9:10 am: | |
We hit the berry farms all summer and freeze for year long use. Careful of strawberries...many are sprayed with AuxiGro and lots of pesticides...remember, even organic growers can used AuxiGro in most states now. I look for the
smallest ones I can find.
We react to MSG...it is a toxic drug according to Dr. George Schwartz, a toxicologist...we are not allergic to it, and in the right dosage, it will effect anyone....yes, some need more to react and are more resistant...but that can change once the amount ingested goes beyond that threshhold. |
DONNA
| | Posted on Sunday, April 14, 2002 - 8:09 pm: | |
Hello I am a mother of seven and I have been off and on sick for aprox seven years. Last year being my worst. My stomach problems were worse than ever, but now I had severe acid reflux,extreme weight loss I looked like a walking skeleton. I had a burning sensation on my head or face. I could not concentrate I was barley functioning. I was tested for Celiac, a gluten intolerance found in wheat, rye, oats, and barley. While waiting for my results I decided to try the diet. After about four days I could concentrate and I had energy for the first time in a long time. I felt great. My husband said, "I dont care what the test comes back as I think you should continue to eat this way. Well my test came back neg... I have heard of a false neg. Since I have been learning of MSG I discovered the two diets are similar. When I avoided the gluten I unknowingly also avoided lots of MSG. Now I am avoiding both when I fine tune the MSG and know for sure I am not getting any Im considering trying some wheat and see if there is any reaction. Thank You for all the helpful info... My oldest daughter says, it's nice to have a mom back. |
Deb A.
| | Posted on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 8:53 am: | |
How wonderful, Donna! Keep doing what you are doing. It is true that when people avoid wheat, they are also avoiding lots of MSG in processed products. By avoiding the wheat flour, they are also avoiding malted barley flour, which contains lots of glutamate. It's added to most white flours on the market. White bleached flour also contains sulfite residues, which you may also be reacting to. Many of us who are MSG sensitive do. I mainly use whole wheat, hard white whole wheat, and organic white(no malted barley flour added) flours. Most ocmmercial breads also have added glutamate in the form of certain dough conditioners, soy flour, maltodextrin, corn syrup, and an added excitotoxin call l-cysteine. If you decide to make bread, be sure to use a plain yeast, not the quick rise version. Even yeast contains some glutamate. We go easy on yeast breads, and make whole wheat flour tortillas (make the big batch recipe and freeze as balls), biscuits (using our homemade baking powder or just baking soda), waffles, which also make great sandwiches. I like to mix some brown rice flour to my flour, too...but not when making bread..has too little gluten. Hope you will consider getting our book to help you avoid MSG better and feed your family. All of your children and your husband will benefit from avoiding excitotoxins. My kids said the same thing about having their mom back. |
Ruth
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 11:31 am: | |
I have been eating Brown Cow brand whole milk yogurts for the past couple of weeks-no problems. Read labels, though, as certain flavors have juice concentrates and tapioca starch in them. I got a headache right after eating just a few spoonfuls of the apricot-mango flavor. The blueberry, raspberry, and peach are delicious, and no headaches! I buy it at Whole Foods Market. |
Janice Leuenberger
| | Posted on Friday, July 26, 2002 - 9:42 am: | |
To Ken T:
I have an 18 y/o daughter who must be very careful and she finds it very difficult when spending time with friends. I have found Suzanne Somer's cookbooks to be very helpful. She uses her own sweetner which does not seem to bother her and other than her sweetner her recipes are very healthy and adapt to MSG free eating very easily. I am able to give my daughter a great many wonderful foods, help her watch her weight and because we can do such great tasting food she is able to deal with going out and not being able to eat all the junk food. She also carries a small insulated bag with her and carries her Muir Glen catsup, lemon juice to make lemonaide in restaurants, and even her own oil and vineger. It is a pain in the you-know-what, but not having migraines is wonderful. We did try some other sweetners, but I think SweetOne caused a headache although SweetLeaf (stevia with fructose fiber) seems to be OK.
Good Luck with your son. Eliminating MSG for my 18 year old (we started at 17) has worked wonders |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Monday, September 09, 2002 - 3:09 pm: | |
Interesting discussion.
My first comment is that the Japanese eat MSG primarily with rice. A gluten/glutamine low product.
My second comment is that the Japanese have a low incidence of Coeliac disease( excuse spelling am from New Zealand)
My third comment is that the japanese do not eat piles of low folate rubbish food.Competitive uptake model.
Anyone interested in this should get a medical physiology text and look at glutamine /glutamate metabolism and also at folate /B12 uptake and metabolism .Also at Syndrome X in relation to obesity.We may be looking at a range of presentations from those with associated allergy to those with overload of this system.
There is a strong link between the brain and the gut with direct hormonal communication.
If you have Irritable Bowel syndrome without a diagnosed cause and someone says it is in your head limit your glutamine/glutamate intake except in vegetables and see what happens.
Finding the hidden MSG is the fun part.
Think positive . The worst thing that can happen is you feel better and eat better.
Glutamate loads are dealt with by forming ammonia/a toxin or glutamine.If you have coeliacs disease watch out.Underdiagnosed generally.Glutamate loads can drive you nuts. ADD /spectrum disorders.
Science is the key to this .You do have a right to know what is in the food you eat. |
Linda
| | Posted on Monday, October 14, 2002 - 9:38 am: | |
I have read several places here about Foster Farms chicken. I was just wondering where I could get it. I asked a local health food store about it, but they didn't have it and weren't interested in trying to get it for me.
Thank you. |
Deb A.
| | Posted on Monday, October 14, 2002 - 11:24 am: | |
Different regions of the country have their brands of chicken. What region are you from?....perhaps someone here can recommend a safe brand. Be sure the label says "no additives, no preservatives"...."minimally processed" is not enough, or words like "all natural" don't always mean that MSG is not added, since it is considered "natural" by food processors. |
Ruth
| | Posted on Monday, October 14, 2002 - 3:55 pm: | |
My health food store, Whole Foods, told me exactly how their chicken is processed (Bell and Evans brand uses only water and a machine to pluck the feathers). Your health food store probably has that information. If you're not sure about what they tell you, just run it by the helpful people on this board. What brand of chicken do they carry? |
Darrell Thatcher
| | Posted on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 12:31 pm: | |
Just to share a "success" with everyone.
I wanted to try an MSM powder supplement and found one at Rockwell Nutrition with stevia and lemon flavor. I asked them what was in the lemon flavor and they said I should read the label. I had to explain what an ingredient is and, after 6 similar emails, they finally agreed to contact their supplier. The supplier said they spray lemon oil onto maltodextrin (an MSG nono) to make lemon flavor.
I never felt good about accusing natural flavors of having MSG. I believed it, but had a hard time telling people with confidence. Now I have some real proof.
By the way, I did find a local health food store selling 100% MSM powder. |
Judy T
| | Posted on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 5:27 pm: | |
Ahright. Good for you. One of my favorite webpages that Roy noted once is from an article "Why McDonald's Fries Taste So Good" by Eric Schlosser. It's at http://mathaba.net/data/whymcdonalds.shtml and explains about natural flavoring...how it began and where we're at today. |
Judy T
| | Posted on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 5:29 pm: | |
Also at http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2001/01/schlosser.htm |
Deb A.
| | Posted on Saturday, December 21, 2002 - 10:42 am: | |
Thanks for sharing your story about natural flavor with us, Darrell. Most vitamins, essential oils or chemically produced flavors need to be added to carrier agents to make it easier to add to food products or supplements. Many of the flavored teas and coffees bother us for the same reason. It's nice to have another name for one of these carriers....maltodextrin along with dextrates, cornstarch, corn syrup, diglycerides, glucose, and more. |
barb m
| | Posted on Monday, February 17, 2003 - 2:50 pm: | |
I was very surprised to find this book at the public library. I have suffered with MSG allergies for years and never connected the two. I do watch labels, but never knew the other names for MSG. Thank you. For those that are not allergic they do not understand. I have had migraines, for days on end, muscle aches to the point of being hard to walk. I am more aware of those things to look for thanks to your book. Is there a doctor in Kennewick area that diagnoses MSG problems?? When I went through your list, I was shocked as I had almost all of them!! |
Deb A.
| | Posted on Monday, February 17, 2003 - 10:33 pm: | |
Hello, Barb. Since we live in Kennwick, we must be neighbors, so to speak. I go to Dr. Isaacson in Richland. He has witnessed the amazing changes in my health since he has been our family doctor for 22 years. He never diagnosed my sensitivity, but understands it now. No, I don't know of any doctors who actually diagnose MSG sensitivity, as most doctors get very little training in food additives. I saw the allergist, Dr. Corrado years ago, and with all the skin testing he did, he never even mentioned MSG. MSG is a toxin, and we are not technically allergic to it. We react to it as we would a poison or drug...a sensitivity. Besides, most doctors treat symptoms with drugs and there is no known drug to help with our reactions. The best we can do for now is to learn how to avoid MSG in all its hidden forms. |
Jen
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 7:40 am: | |
Barb M,
Sorry to hear about you feeling so sick. I got to say I understand. Now that I cut MSG out of my diet I feel so much better, except for when it sneaks back in.
I wonder if I buy another book and give it to a library they would put it on their shelves. I imagine it would help many people. |
Deb A.
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 9:29 am: | |
Hi Jen. Yes, people are doing that all the time with the book. I'm so happy that Barb found it in our own library. |
MEMorrisNJ
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 2:10 pm: | |
One of the few processed foods I can tolerate is Celetano's frozen large and round ravioli which I think is made here in N.J. (I don't recommend this for everyone but it has been OK for me.)
Well, I thought I bought it the other day and did not look at the label which was marked as a "New" low-fat product. I noticed right away that they had a different taste but I didn't check further and kept eating. Two hours later, I was in trouble.
The main ingredient that differed from the regular product was "Spices" which we know may include some form of MSG. My lesson: 1. Always read all labels even on familiar processed food packages and watch out markings indicating "new" or "improved", 2. Don't assume the ingredients in processed foods always remain the same, and 3. Trust your taste buds when you detect something different. |
Roy Piwovar
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 3:31 pm: | |
MEMorrisNJ,
I've never had trouble with Celetano's frozen large and round ravioli without the "spices". One brand of frozen ravioli I can't eat is Caesar's, yet I didn't notice any suspicious ingredients on the label. Sometimes you can't help but recognize a reaction even when there is nothing on the label that should cause one. |
Deb A.
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 19, 2003 - 3:12 pm: | |
Unfortunately, many foods are spiked with MSG without labeling, although it is against the law, as the Jimmy Dean sausage recall demonstrated a couple years ago. If you suspect a product contains MSG and it is unlabeled, let the FDA know about it. |
barbm
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 3:48 pm: | |
Hi Jen,
If you bought a book and would like to donate it to the library, you put it in the book drop, you could put a note on it as a donation.
It would greatly help alot of people if they only knew they had a sensitivity to MSG and by products.
Thank you for your info.
Barb M. |
Deb A.
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 4:13 pm: | |
Thanks for that great tip, barbm. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 04, 2003 - 7:05 am: | |
Just a warning. After 20 years of suffering with migraines that could only be stopped with a shot of Demerol and Vistaril from the emergency room, and another 15 years taking every conceivable migraine drug, I unhappily discovered a large dose of this vile MSG can actually put my life at risk. Violent projectile vomiting from this last migraine resulted in a cerebral hemorrhage right in my vision portion of the brain. Spent a week in the hospital, flat on my back, having MRI's and CAT scans daily. Managed to escape surgery, however, I was blind for over two weeks. Vision finally came back and was similar to looking at a jigsaw puzzle for weeks. Everything was rearranged. Missed 8 weeks of work. Please, please watch this MSG. IT IS A POTENTIAL KILLER, not just a headache. |
Roy Piwovar
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 04, 2003 - 7:10 pm: | |
The third box in the link below (under "medical diseases") says that headaches can be "drug-induced", and lists monosodium glutamate in the grouping.
http://www.homestead.com/emguidemaps/files/headache.html |
Deb A.
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 04, 2003 - 10:07 pm: | |
Anonymous, thank you for sharing your horrific story! I hope you are learning how to better avoid MSG. It's hidden in so many things and restaurants are like land mines. Please be careful. |
Hoteru
| | Posted on Saturday, March 15, 2003 - 5:44 pm: | |
Greetings to all,
Someone, I think it was Deb A, asked me about the calcium, magnesium and zinc tablets I get from Trader Joe's that I can take without a problem. I am more sensitive than some and less than others on the board. This is the only vitamin tablet I can tolerate that I am aware of. The question was what form do they come in, if I remember correctly, were they in a gelatin capsule? No they come in a regular lozenge shaped tablet. Sorry I couldn't answer sooner. |
Lisa Marie
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 14, 2003 - 5:16 am: | |
Hi all,
I had my first shopping experience yestrday in St. Louis (2 hours from where I live) and it was awful. I went to the Whole Foods Store. It was huge and crowded. I felt 100% out of place and overwhelmed. As soon as I started looking I knew I was in way over my head. I had No Clue what to buy. I spotted a worker who looked like someone I could ask for help. I said, "Is there an area which just has MSG free food?" She replied, "Everything in here is MSG free-all our food is organic. All our suppliers sign agreements to that. If you have a reaction to something you can return it." I tried to explain about MSG being in 'other ingredients' which are listed on the package, and she didn't get it.
I learned I had no business going in there until I get Deb's book. I also learned I really need a list of Brand names to help shop. I realize what works for one, might not for another. But it would be a place to start. (perhaps this is in Deb's book?)
So, I got Lundbergs brown rice and rice cakes. I couldn't even decide upon a basic salt, sugar and butter to get. I also got eggs which I feel comfortable with. And 'organic walnuts' which I will wash.
I am going to be very nutrient deprived and quickly from just brown rice ingestion! I live in Southeast Missouri, and there are limited options for buying food here. I have a lot to learn. |
Margie
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 14, 2003 - 12:01 pm: | |
Lisa,
There is a lot to learn, but guess what? It's actually kind of fun! For me it was a complete turn around - learning what to eat all over again, but not just that - I had to learn how to cook! Haha. Something I've found you can't get around ;) I'm still learning! I've posted a few
recipes in the recipe section of this website, and there really are lots out there.
I don't buy anything processed anymore (with a few exceptions).
Here are a few brands I use that dont cause me any problems:
Flour: King Aurthurs Brand (Unbleached, Unbromated, no added chemicals)
Butter: Mid america Farms (but as long as you get straight butter and not margarine you shouldn't have a problem).
Brown Rice: Mahatma Brown Rice
Milk: Whole milk only, organic if possible and not treated with Rbst (stay away from skim milk, lowfat or nonfat)
Cheese: Tilamook Jack cheese or Trader Joes Brand Jack cheese (with milk, rennet, salt) I believe Deb uses whole milk mozzerella as well - I bought some, but have been too chicken to try it out yet ;) You have to be really careful with cheese of ANY kind. It has caused me a lot of grief.
Sour Cream: I use Daisy Brand, it is pure and natural cream with no added crap. I tried Horizon Organic Sour cream once and it gave me a reaction. I believe Deb uses Knudsen Brand.
Cereal: About the only 'safe' cereal is Kashi Brand 7 whole grains and sesame (they have a honey puffed which tastes even better and I have no problems with).
I also do okay with Trader Joes Brand Vanilla Almond Crunch.
Tomatoes and Tomato products: I avoid
Cooked Beans and Peas: I avoid.
Fruits: All kinds - I try to buy organic, though...and react to some melons (auxigro I guess)
Veggies: All kinds - Organic if possible. I will also buy Organic Potatoes.
Bread: I buy only from the health food store and stay away from "yeast extracts", although I do okay if one of the ingredients is "yeast" (not extracted or autolyzed) Some Brands I've found safe are:
"Trader Joes Harvest whole wheat Bread"
"Seeded Harvest Bread"
Neither brand contains preservatives or artificial colors or flavors.
Eggs: I normally buy Organic and/or "Cage Free"
Sugar: I use G&H brand(s) for baking and "Sugar in the Raw" for general use (ie to sprinkle on top of fresh fruit)
One of my favorite marinades is:
1/2 part Olive oil
1/2 part Butter
1 Tbsp Fresh Rosemary - finely chopped
1/3 of red Bell pepper
4-5 cloves garlic
I use this for marinades, and to brush over cut up potatoes, etc - (in recipe section)
Meat: If possible, Try to buy from a meat specialty store and/or butcher and ask them if it is cut fresh. Some grocery stores (like Albertsons) get their meat pre-packaged and cased (not fresh) and it contains more preservatives and other garbage.
Stock up on Spices! I had to and it cost me an arm/leg/firstborn. Haha, just kidding- but it wasn't cheap.
Meatballs are pretty safe - I use bread crumbs (make my own in a processor with the bread I buy)
and some of my own seasonings. I just avoid tomato sauce. I've posted a white sauce recipe (on the recipe page) as well.
Hope this helps - holler if you have any questions! |
Carol H
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 14, 2003 - 2:55 pm: | |
Excellent advice Margie. I like the marinade - you found a great use for the rosemary - a good medicinal herb which is an anti-inflammatory. |
Lisa Marie
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 14, 2003 - 3:42 pm: | |
Margie,
Thank you so much for your list. I am compiling a list from these boards, starting with yours. I will have it with me the next time I shop, along with the hidden names of MSG. I will also still read the labels even though things have been declared okay, because of what I am reading about an item being okay once, and then the 'brand' is bought by someone bigger who changes the formula.
I really appreciate you taking the time to do your list. I still haven't gotten over walking into Whole Foods yesterday and seeing stuff which looked identical to the grocery store, and had ingredients which I know are not safe. Basically, what I have been eating for 9 days is brown rice. The thing which has saved me is my protein source, which is the ONLY thing I am positive is okay.
My husband's parents have a farm 70 miles from us, and we have always had our own beef. They add nothing to the cows they keep for us. The sad thing is that I have barely touched this meat for 20 years, preferring to eat chicken from the store!
His parents have been preaching about garden food for the 35 years I have known them. They are 78, and the only people in their county who have never had cancer-I swear, that isn't an exaggeration. The only thing my father-in-law has ever eaten that wasn't from the farm was when he was in the army, and maybe a piece of KFC once a year. Just another testiment to eating fresh, untainted, whole foods. |
Carol H
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 14, 2003 - 4:04 pm: | |
Lisa, a good safe meal for me is brown rice with a poached egg on it. You get a protein source and a complex carbohydrate source at the same time - good for keeping blood sugar steady and hunger at bay so you don't get dangerous cravings and eat something you might be sorry about later. I also use kosher salt when cooking - its freer of the additives and lower in iodine than sea salt. Sometimes I'll use plain Thai rice noodles with frozen plain veggies thrown into the noodles while they are still hot, and a safe meat cut into pieces with a little salt. The less you need to cook things the better. Find one or two combination meals (complex carbs, protein, fiber) that are your "safe" meals. Whenever I find I have eaten something I shouldn't, I eat my safe meals for one or two days till I feel better. Then I get braver and diversify my diet more, adding new things slowly and one at a time. |
Lisa Marie
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 14, 2003 - 8:01 pm: | |
Carol,
Great tips, thank you. I am doing really well with brown rice, it will be my new staple and I will add stuff with it. It is so complex that my blood sugar doesn't even go up much. I am still using Del Monte individual mandarin oranges for low blood sugars-I don't know why, but they have just enough sugar to give me a fast rise if I suddenly go low. Those and Knudsen apple juice. Thai rice noodles, will have to check those out. Thanks |
Deb A.
| | Posted on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 9:19 am: | |
Lisa, we have just revamped our book. And yes, there is a section with name brands.
You are doing great...I can totally empathize with you, the way you described your visit to Whole Foods. I used to be terrified of shopping in the beginning...I promise it will get easier and you sort of grow antenna and sense things that are safe or not...at least it gets much better as you go along. |
clarissa
| | Posted on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 1:28 pm: | |
hi all , had my first bad eperience at whole foods store iwas so mad . found out they have added color to their farm raised salmon called betacarotene anyone know any other store secrets from there they said they did this for at least 1 year said they have to label it now with new organic law any news on this new law . when it went into effect .maybe this a new hope.hope so clarissa |
Ruth
| | Posted on Monday, October 20, 2003 - 1:13 pm: | |
My Whole Foods market has fresh, "wild" coho salmon from Alaska (no color added) along with the farm raised, that has color added to their food, or so they told me. (I was real curious as to how they would add color to fish, so I asked last month.) I always buy the wild. It's about the same price as the other. It's in the fresh fish section of my market and it is not pre-packed. I do just fine with it, although I am not as sensitive as I used to be. |
Fran
| | Posted on Monday, October 20, 2003 - 3:52 pm: | |
Ruth
The colour is added to their feed. I live beside many salmon farms and would never dream of eating them. I have a story though about the dye used in salmon feed. One of my daughters friends Dad was asked by someone to feed up their turkeys for xmas. He was a fish farm worker. He must have decided to save money on their food as when the turkeys were slaughtered their meat was red. He had taken home a bag of salmon feed!! He was CAUGHT out. |
Margie
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 - 8:04 am: | |
Thanks for the kudos Carol I use Rosemary on just about everything now, LOL! Even picked up a couple plants of it to pick from when I need to...although it just doesn't grow fast enough!
Glad the list helped, Lisa. Keep up the good work! |
Lisa Marie
| | Posted on Thursday, January 01, 2004 - 8:15 pm: | |
I have a question about Lays potato chips. I read here that some can eat them in moderation. I just saw an add on tv for "new" Lays chips-that they are now "even crisper" so I read the ingredients and it lists cottonseed oil and corn. Does anyone know if they are now unsafe? Thanks |
Deb A.
| | Posted on Friday, January 02, 2004 - 12:39 am: | |
Is that supposed to be corn oil or just corn????....can't imagine corn in potato chips. I haven't seen them yet. I stick to Ruffles, and never overindulge. thre's a chance the potatoes might be treated with AuxiGro. |
Lisa Marie
| | Posted on Friday, January 02, 2004 - 12:56 pm: | |
Deb,
It says Potatoes, Corn and/or Cottonseed Oil, and Salt. I thought it used to just say Potatoes and Salt, but maybe I am thinking of Kettle Chips. I guess this means they are referring to Corn oil in the chips. |
Deb A.
| | Posted on Saturday, January 03, 2004 - 11:53 am: | |
Okay, that must mean corn oil. The only way to see if they are safe is to try them. I worry that some of the salt blends they are using can contain glutamate substances like dextrose. Some companies use that and some just use salt. |
Deb S
| | Posted on Monday, January 05, 2004 - 7:21 pm: | |
I have no problems with Lays potato chips or Ruffles. I do eat them in moderation because otherwise they will undoubtedly show up on my hips. :o |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 4:42 pm: | |
The most informational resource I've ever read about foods and how figure out which ones have what you don't want is at:
http://www.adventmicro.com/food |
Lisa Marie
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2004 - 7:06 pm: | |
Trader Joe's question
There is a new Trader Joe's in St. Louis and I am going on Thursday. Would you guys post some of your favorite brands of food to get there? Just to point me in the right direction. I am interested in everything which doesn't have MSG in it, especially safe meats. Thanks a lot. LM |
Deb A.
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2004 - 9:52 am: | |
canned organic corn, refried and black beans, olives, peppered cashews, maple syrup, whole wheat pasta, frozen veggies, dark imported chocolate, pineapple salsa, herb teas (I love the peppermint) I think my sister said she did well with the canned tomatoes that did not contain citric acid. I don't have a T.J. in town or I would be able to tell you more about the meat. I distrust most sausages. I buy Akmak crackers there, too, and their imported olive oil. |
Lisa Marie
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2004 - 3:16 pm: | |
Thanks a lot Deb. |
MEMorrisNJ
| | Posted on Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 6:08 am: | |
frozen wild salmon and just about any of the other frozen fish that are not flavored and not farmed, Feta cheese packaged by American (be sure it is not low fat), canned pinto beans (but I still rinse them), fresh avocados, red onions, fresh chicken breasts with minimal processing, packaged semolina pastas, anchovies, organic frozen raspberries --- If I can remember more, I'll post! Advice: Read the detailed ingredient labels. Sometimes the packages say there are no additives but when you read the actual ingredients, there is sometimes an ingredient that may be troublesome to some of us folks (e.g., citric acid).
Deb - Thought you'd like to know that some of these discussion threads are getting so long it takes several minutes to pull them up. I hope you can do something from your side. |
Deb A.
| | Posted on Friday, November 12, 2004 - 9:01 am: | |
Thank you for bringing it to my attention. I just spoke with Mike and he says it's time to put most of it in a new archive. We should make a new archive page for each year for reference. He says he has been trying to formulate a better program and will try to work on it soon. I'm glad that things have slowed a little around here. Summer was crazy for us this year, and now we can do a few more projects. |
LLaRah Star
| | Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 9:58 pm: | |
I've been attempting to follow the suggestions in Debbie's book and don't feel so alone when I read all your helpful ideas. I'm in Victoria, Australia and wondered if any one knows any of the Australian brands of foods I need to avoid and any that are okay. |
Deb A.
| | Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 10:48 pm: | |
Hi LLaRah Star. I wish I could be more helpful about Australian products. We have sent several books to Australia, so you're not alone there. Keep reading labels, and do most of your shopping for fresh fruits, veggies, and meats. It's very warm down there this time of year and you can probably find a nice variety of fresh produce, can't you? I know when I first learned that I had to avoid hidden MSG, I felt overwhelmed and wanted to find as many "safe" processed foods that I could to survive, so used are I was to opening a can or box. But really, it just takes thinking about food in a new light. It really isn't as difficult as we first think to prepare things from scratch. Hang in there. It gets easier with time and experience. |
LLaRah Star
| | Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 11:49 pm: | |
Thank you. I'm trying out the recipes from your book and have enjoyed them all so far. Fortunately most of the ingredients are simple and easy to find.
I'm viewing my new eating pattern as a challenge and I have always enjoyed challenges.
It looks like we are going to have another warm Christmas this year. In the past I have served a variety of cold meats and salads followed by the traditional plum pudding. Do you have any suggestions how I can still do this or something similar? I'm doing so well at the moment I'd hate to jeopardise my good work. |
Deb A.
| | Posted on Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 10:49 pm: | |
There are some nice salads and dressings suggested in the book. You can substitute homemade mayonnaise and organic mustards or make a dip using safe sour cream, mustard or horseradish mixed in with salt and pepper for meat sauce. You can roast some beef or grilledchicken (marinate in oil, vinegar or lemon juice, herbs, salt, pepper, cayenne) or roasted chicken breast,and offer that instead of coldcuts. I like to offer grilled shrimp or shrimp cocktail. I use fresh pureed tomatoes for the base and add small cooked shrimp (no sulfites),chopped avacodo, a little sweet onion, juice of a lemon or lime, some cayenne or hot pepper (a little bit of fresh jalapeno is good or bell pepper, some chopped celery, sugar, salt, and pepper to taste. It's nice servied in globlet lined with romaine lettuce. Be careful of dried fruit that is treated with sulfites, if you use them in the plum pudding. |
Deb A.
| | Posted on Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 10:53 pm: | |
Sorry about my spelling (served, not servied). I am very tired. We just got back from seeing Oceans 12...it was okay, not great. But, I apologize if my posting is hard to follow...it's been a very busy day! |
LLaRah Star
| | Posted on Sunday, December 19, 2004 - 1:58 pm: | |
Thank you. I'll have a good look at your book. Have a great Christmas and a Happy New Year |
Deb A.
| | Posted on Monday, December 20, 2004 - 1:58 pm: | |
Thank you very much. Same to you! |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Saturday, March 26, 2005 - 4:20 pm: | |
Anybody have knowledge of which antibiotics are safer than others for those of us who are very , very sensitive? I went through the search features and read everything on antibiotics but couldn't find anything on which, if any, may be safer for us. With great reluctance I may have to take on in the near future, and I would like to have some names available if I have to go to an MD. It is 24 years since I have had to use an antibiotic and due to previous experiences with prescriptions making me sicker than the original illness I am doing everything else I can think of
before taking an antibiotic. |
Jerry Story
| | Posted on Sunday, March 27, 2005 - 5:01 am: | |
About antibiotics:
"anti" means against.
"biotic" means life.
If you don't believe me, do a Google search on biotic + definition.
If you want something better than something against life, here is the biggest know-it-all you will ever find: Zovluck. He is even worse than me.
http://www.healself.org/ |
MEMorrisNJ
| | Posted on Sunday, March 27, 2005 - 3:45 pm: | |
Anon - I am starting to revisit posts at http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/quinolones/
--- you may want to do some reading there too. |
MEMorrisNJ
| | Posted on Sunday, March 27, 2005 - 3:52 pm: | |
PS This site will certainly tell you what not to take! |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 - 6:13 am: | |
Please answer the question about antiobiotics if you have information.
Posted on Saturday, March 26, 2005 - 4:20 pm:
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Anybody have knowledge of which antibiotics are safer than others for those of us who are very , very sensitive? I went through the search features and read everything on antibiotics but couldn't find anything on which, if any, may be safer for us. With great reluctance I may have to take on in the near future, and I would like to have some names available if I have to go to an MD. It is 24 years since I have had to use an antibiotic and due to previous experiences with prescriptions making me sicker than the original illness I am doing everything else I can think of
before taking an antibiotic. |
Deb A.
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 - 9:29 am: | |
All I can tell you is that when I do have to have an antibiotic, I always ask for the kind that you only have to take 5 days but is just as powerful as the the ones you need to take for 10 days. I either ask for a tablet or take the dry ingredients out of the capsule and take with applesauce. I also take a couple tablespoons of plain whole milk Dannon Yogurt a day with it. |
Roy Piwovar
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 - 8:20 pm: | |
Anonymous,
Any antibiotic in the quinolone family (their names seem to all include "quin") gives me a severe reaction, but you might not react to them at all, and different types of infections require different antibiotics. |
Carol H
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 9:17 am: | |
We really can't and shouldn't give you medical advice here. That is best left to your doctor. We can only tell you what works for us. I have taken Zithromax and Augmentin as well as special antibiotics for H. Pylori infection. I took exactly what was prescribed. I can't say I am in wonderful health, but my various ailments were cured. The thing about antibiotics as opposed to say antidepressants, is that it is only for a short time, and with care about what you eat, you can heal your system and get it back in balance afterward. Antibiotics are temporary, and usually quite necessary. There is no substitute for a real honest talk with your doctor about your fears. |
Sue W
| | Posted on Saturday, April 30, 2005 - 9:07 pm: | |
Well just tell them you are allergic to all sulfa based meds. That will take the worst offenders out. The next thing to do is make the Doctor bring the PDR into the room with him. and look up the anti-biotic he is thinking of prescribing you. If your doctor is unwilling to do that ... FIND a new doctor. I know that name brand Valium is reasonably sulfite free, While the generic Diazapam is sulfite preserved.
I used to be "Just" pretty sensitive to sulfites. Till a doctor decided that I didn't need the non-sulfited numbing agent. I am now in a place no one wants to be in and no where to go from here. I can't eat anything containing even trace amounts of sulfites without having a reaction. The size of the reaction is in proportion to the amount of sulfites consumed. LOL I WISH I was like some of you who have no reaction for 12 hour or more. I know if I have had sulfites within 15min. and at 30 min I am so sick it is like having the worst case of the flu and food poisoning at the same time. All the while someone is beating you with a baseball bat. I run fever have migraines .. Generally miserable. The point?
I can pretty much Garuntee that Cream of wheat cereal that requires cooking (not instant) Old Fashioned quaker oats (again the kind that requires cooking non-instant) are completely sulfite free. Kosher salt is also seemingly safe. Now the Diet Rite question ... yeah they are great ... but the flavorings will get ya specially the white grape  ... I use Splenda and have No Problems with either it or my sugar levels after eating it. I Can't eat regular sugar. They use sulfites to bleach alot of products. ALL Processed corn is going to have sulfites in it. They soak corn that is to be processed for chips tortillias exctra in a bath of sulfites for 2 or 3 days. I also find that High fructose corn syrup is worse for me than regular corn syrup.. and that should be the opposite. Supposedly the more the product is processed the less sulfites remain in it. I find the only way i can eat beef if it is slow cooked for a long time and the juice drips away. Heat long term breaks down sulfites. At least that is what my allergist told me ... right after he told me I was screwed :P and he litterally used those words. He suggested I look to the medical schools and see if any were doing any research on chemical sensitivities. NEVER EVER let them use a sulfited medical product on you!! It can change your sensitivity to a full blown Allergy and once you are where I am. There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING they can do. They can treat the symptoms but all that does is cover up whether you are getting worse or not. I am currently AFRAID to try any new food to the 2 I have found. I am sick for 3 to 7 days depending on how much sulfites are in the product I try. 2 tablespoons of ketchup made me sick for 7 days. I have some other info in text format I have found while surfing the net.
OH!! and if you get a Sulfite headache one that feels like a piercing migraine. I can tell you what they found on me is the muscle tension I get in the shoulder area travels up my neck muscles and since sulfites cause swelling those muscles precede to Pinch the 2 nerve bundles that cover the entire top of your head. They come to a point right where the neck muscles come up to the dented in place in the back of your head. This is called Occipital Neuralgia. There is a procedure they can do that will make the headaches stop for months. If you would rather opt out of that. Use an Icepack directly on the back of your neck preferabally as clost to the dented in part as possible and just keep changing ice packs. I can stop a headache of the sulfite kind if I catch the first tension starting and the nagging feeling in my head and get Ice on it right away. |
Carol H
| | Posted on Sunday, May 01, 2005 - 7:11 am: | |
My allergist was able to do a sulfite test. It takes a long time to do, but it is worth it to know. I tested negative, but your ordeal sounds absolutely horrible. Sue have you been avoiding MSG successfully, and if so for how long? |
Neil
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 7:27 am: | |
Confused about Oatrim (hydrolyzed oat flour), the pure kind marketed by Bob's Red Mill, for example. Does this contain MSG as a natural part of its chemical structure? Also, what about same brand's food yeast - "primary grown nutritional yeast". I have such a bad reaction to MSG I'm very nervous about trying them without advise. Can you help. |
Deb A.
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 4:56 pm: | |
Neil, avoid any hydrolyzed grain or hydrolyzed protein product. The natural glutamate in the product has been processed by heat and water, enzymes, or chemicals to create free glutamate in the product. It contains more free amino acids which makes a better bread by feeding the yeast....dough conditioners contain free amino acids for this reason. Avoid nutritional yeast. Plain yeast itself contains up to 12% natural glutamate. Nutritional yeast and Brewer's yeast contain much more free glutamate. |
Neil
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 9:30 pm: | |
Hi, Deb, many thanks for your advice. Very helpful. |
anna
| | Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 2:47 pm: | |
Cat food is loaded with MSG. Any advice on safe cat food. I tried to feed my cats organic chicken, but they are so addicted to the taste of the canned food that won't even come close to the chicken!!! |
Jerry Story
| | Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 5:42 pm: | |
About cat food:
If it has MSG in it, don't eat it.
Howard Lyman feeds his cat a 100% vegan diet. But cats need taurine or something, so it gotta be the right kind of vegan diet. |
Pure Hoodia Works
| | Posted on Monday, October 10, 2005 - 9:00 pm: | |
There is a lot of talk out there about a brand of Hoodia called "Pure Hoodia" and I would like to let everyone know that their product is for real and I have used it and lost over 40lbs in less than 4 months. I have spoken to one of the owners and their comment on all of the bad press was that their competition will do anything to keep this great diet product off the market. I suggest that you check this awesome product out for yourself at http://www.PureHoodia.com |
Lucie
| | Posted on Saturday, January 14, 2006 - 10:12 am: | |
I am MSG sensitive and now am going gluten free.
Many products have xanthan and guar gum? IS there MSG in these products? |
PD
| | Posted on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 5:32 am: | |
Have found that "Hy-Top" petite diced tomatoes in a white lined can. This brand is found at most federated grocery stores, I found mine at Minyards in Dallas, TX. Has anyone tried Juicy Juice, it is stated nothing is added not even sweetner. I think I'll try it and let you know. |
Deb A.
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 8:26 am: | |
You can do a search on these products to find if they are made using enzymes, bacteria, high heat/ chemcials on proteins or starches. If they are, avoid. |
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| | Posted on Tuesday, May 02, 2006 - 12:53 pm: | |
Hey All!
I am wondering if anyone has tried the flavored Stevia that is now available. I know that Sweet Leaf is a brand that offers it. It would be great to replace the junk that my husband and daughter now use in their coffee. I was thinking of trying the orange in soda water. It has "natural flavors" on the label, though. Has anyome tried it? And if so, how did you fair? Thank you for any responses.
Pam E. |
Pam E.
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 9:32 am: | |
Flavored Stevia. Has anyone tried it (See above post)?!
Pam E. |
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anonomys
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| | Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 6:04 am: | |
Has anyone tried Hormel Natural Choice Deli meats (found in most grocery stores now)? They claim "no nitrate or nitrite added, no artificial ingredients, minimally processed, NO MSG added, and gluten-free." The ingredients listed for their deli roast beef are: water, salt, turbinado sugar, baking soda and natural flavoring. I'm waiting for a response from the company to find out what their "Natural Flavorings" consist of, however, their website (www.hormelnatural.com) states that "MSG is NEVER hidden under natural flavorings. Any thoughts????? |
Deb A.
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| | Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 10:37 am: | |
MSG in its pure form, which consists of 78% glutamic acid, is not hidden under natural flavorings. However, additives rich in glutamic acid are substituted, varying in glutamic acid amounts from 10% to 20%...and sometimes more than one such item is present in their "natural flavorings", boosting the glutamic acid content....and they do not have to be labeled as MSG...and who would know they are added for the same reasons that MSG is added?? Such items are autolyzed yeast, yeast, whey or soy protein, corn syrup solids, soy sauce solids,calcium caseinate (glutamate made from milk proteins that are hydrolyzed), wheat extract, and many other hydrolyzed or fermented proteins. |
Phyllis M
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| | Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 1:37 pm: | |
Carr's table water crackers ,(for those that can tolerate wheat),made from wheat flour,water, palm oil, salt. Believe me I'm very sensitive to any and all additives, these crackers have seen me through pretty bad times. Even with a banana, which is the only fruit I have found to not upset my system. |
Roy Piwovar
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| | Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 3:39 pm: | |
Per http://www.supermarketguru.com/page.cfm/6046
the definition of “natural flavor” under the Code of Federal Regulations is:
“the essential oil, oleoresin, essence or extractive, protein hydrolysate, distillate, or any product of roasting, heating or enzymolysis, which contains the flavoring constituents derived from a spice, fruit or fruit juice, vegetable or vegetable juice, edible yeast, herb, bark, bud, root, leaf or similar plant material, meat, seafood, poultry, eggs, dairy products, or fermentation products thereof, whose significant function in food is flavoring rather than nutritional” (21CFR101.22).
Per http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~lrd/msg.html
"Hydrolyzed proteins, or protein hydrolysates, are acid- treated or enzymatically treated proteins from certain foods. They contain salts of free amino acids, such as glutamate, at levels of 5 to 20 percent. Hydrolyzed proteins are used in the same manner as MSG in many foods, such as canned vegetables, soups, and processed meats." |
Anonymous
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| | Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 5:29 pm: | |
Deb A.- I just heard back from "Hormel". They stated " The ingredients in the "natural Flavoring" are onions and garlic powder". Thats it. Thats all they said (besides thanking me for my inquiry.) Please tell me, can I believe it? I do so appreciate your knowledge and the amount of time you spend here. Thank you. |
Dianne
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 01, 2007 - 8:57 am: | |
Roy,
I am always amazed at how you repeatedly come up with websites and documented information for us all to reference. Thank you so much. Do you just have a knack for this, is it because you are very persistent, is this a hobby, or is it something in your career background that is involved? Just curious.... Anyway thank you. |
Deb A.
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 01, 2007 - 10:32 am: | |
Anon, that may be all that they add under the label, "natural flavoring". That is the dilemma we all face when we read those two words. They can mean something as simple as dill weed or peppermint oil, or it can mean glutamate rich additives. The labeling has to change. PLEASE let us know how you do if you try this product. Remember, for those of us with severe sensitivity, cured meats are just that. They have been aged and cured with salt, sugar, sometimes chemicals, enzymes, cultures, or a combination of any of these. The process always creates some free glutamate, just a curing cheeses does...amounts will vary, so go easy at first. Glad to be of help! Yes, we sure do appreciate Roy. So committed to informing and helping us all. |
Hoteru
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| | Posted on Sunday, May 20, 2007 - 4:38 pm: | |
I have found after using the rice protein I have been using for about seven or more years that I no longer tolerate it. Don't know why, it is from the same container that used to be fine, so it can't be a change in manufacturing. Tried it several times recently, got migraines. (Big chorus, "Oh you can't always get what you want, oh you can't always get what you want, oh you can't always get what you want, but most of the time, you get what you need.) So I am looking for something else. For sure I can't tolerate soy, whey, milk protein powders, what's left? |
jjmartin
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| | Posted on Sunday, July 08, 2007 - 4:02 am: | |
Did anyone ever end up trying the Hormel 100% Natural Deli Meats? I am tempted to do so but wondered if anyone had. |
Roy Piwovar
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| | Posted on Sunday, July 08, 2007 - 5:47 am: | |
jjmartin,
Hormel "naturals" all seem to have carrageenan in them.
http://www.hormelnatural.com/downloads/PreSliced_Meats_Nutrition_table.pdf |
jjmartin
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| | Posted on Sunday, July 08, 2007 - 7:01 am: | |
The ham didn't seem to and that was what I wanted to try. I may just take a chance and report later! |
Dianne
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| | Posted on Sunday, July 08, 2007 - 7:28 am: | |
jjmartin,
I notice that the 3 ham varities all have Natural Flavors listed - can you tolerate that? |
Deb A.
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| | Posted on Tuesday, July 10, 2007 - 9:20 am: | |
It's always a good idea to contact the company and ask for the ingredients in their Natural Flavors. They really don't have to tell you by law, but I have learned that if you tell them that you get deathly ill from certain additives, they are sometimes more helpful. If they still won't give you the information, you can ask them if certain ingredients are in their proprietary ingredients, such as dextrose, dextrates, corn by products, yeast extractives, etc. I often ask if the spice is something like dill or rosemary or something more processed. That helps me decide. Yes, please do share with us here if anyone has luck with this product or others. |
jjmartin
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| | Posted on Wednesday, July 11, 2007 - 7:52 am: | |
I talked to the gal at Hormel who was very nice. Of course, she said the natural flavorings were proprietary but on the post above the writer had said that Hormel had said, "onions and garlic powder". So I decided to try it and had a sandwich at noon yesterday. Three small slices. I was awake at 2AM not sick but with all the warning signs, so needless to say I will ingest no more of it. I do have bacon and hot dogs and brats all bought at the health food store that I have been eating for some time now with no problem. It would be nice to have the convenience of a lunch meat type sandwich and the convenience of picking it up with the regular shopping but alas that is not to be at this time. |
Deb A.
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| | Posted on Sunday, July 15, 2007 - 12:02 pm: | |
Here's a suggestion for you, jjmartin and anyone who needs something to fill sandwiches when in a hurry. I often take Foster Farms boneless chicken breasts and rinse them well (defrost if frozen)and let drain while making a rub for them. You can mix any favorite herbs and spices, but I make a large batch and put it in a shaker. It is approx. 1/2 cup of salt, 2 to 3 T. of sugar, then a teaspoon of this or that. My favorite additions are cumin, mustard powder, chipotle pepper (dried in flakes or powder...no additives), oregano, marjoram, garlic powder, black pepper. You can add coriander powder if you like a more cold cut flavor. It's what they add to hot dogs and bologna for that unique flavor. I place the chicken in a bowl and sprinkle with some of the seasoning blend along with about 3 or 4 T. of olive oil for about 6 breasts. Mix to coat with hands or spoon. Then I barbecue outside on the grill, covered on medium low heat, or in a pan inside. I cook and place in a freezer bag. This way, I can remove a breast at a time as needed, defrost and thin slice across the grain for wonderful sandwiches. One breast makes two large ones for Mike and I. I buy safe rolls or make bread and fill with tomatoes, romaine, thin sliced colby jack or swiss (made in Switzerland only). I have moistened with my own oil and vingar dressing and or used Trader Joe's organic mayo. Delicious! You can add avocados, fresh herbs like basil, sweet onions, etc. Another favorite fast sandwich filler is egg salad. Either use a safe mayo, or just add sunflower or olive oil, vinegar, sugar, salt, cayenne and.or black pepper to taste. Sometimes at T.J. Max, I find safe green olives and add those to the egg salad. A little sour cream in it is good, too. Load on the tomatoes and romaine...very tasty. If you want a cold cut taste, just add a lot of ground coriander, a little sugar and salt,pepper to any ground meat and form into patties and saute. You can even process the meat well in a processor until it is smooth. You will have to chill it very well before forming it into patties, since it is sticky. |
Dianne
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| | Posted on Sunday, July 15, 2007 - 1:59 pm: | |
Coriander heh? I will have to try that. Thanks Deb. |
jjmartin
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| | Posted on Monday, July 16, 2007 - 4:00 am: | |
Great idea. I believe that I have read that coriander is dried cilantro and I love cilantro. It would satisfy that craving I sometimes have for lunch meat. I haven't had lunch meat in 16 years! |
Dianne
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| | Posted on Monday, July 16, 2007 - 5:18 am: | |
You are right jjmartin - - -
Coriander (Coriandrum sativum), also commonly called cilantro in the U.S., is an annual herb in the family Apiaceae.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriander |
Dianne
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| | Posted on Monday, July 16, 2007 - 5:25 am: | |
Addition to above...
Cilantro: Cilantro is the LEAF of the young coriander plant, Coriandrum sativum, an herb in the parsley family, similar to anise.
Coriander: The dry fruits are known as coriander SEEDS or coriandi seeds. In some regions, the use of the word coriander in food preparation always refers to these seeds (as a spice), rather than to the plant itself. The seeds have a lemony citrus flavour when crushed, due to the presence of the terpenes linalool and pinene. It is also described as warm, nutty, spicy, and orange-flavoured. They are usually dried but can be eaten green. |
Kimm
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| | Posted on Monday, July 16, 2007 - 7:23 am: | |
About 3 months ago, I tried the Hormel Deli meats. I first tried roasted turkey, and didn't have any major problems, but I didn't care for the taste. Then I bravely tried the roast beef (I was craving lunchmeat so badly !!) and I didn't do well with it at all. It knocked me off my feet for a day and a half. No more Hormel for me. I just started seeing commercials on tv for it, and I just cringe. |
Deb A.
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| | Posted on Monday, July 16, 2007 - 2:47 pm: | |
Yes, the coriander I was suggesting is the crushed cilantro seed. I buy it in bulk from the health food store. Kimm, thanks for sharing your experience with the Hormel Deli meats with us...we all benefit here when we share such info. |
Kimm
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| | Posted on Monday, July 16, 2007 - 8:09 pm: | |
Deb A., just a quick thank you for your book, and this website - and a thank you to all of those who participate here. After just a year, I'm still learning, so I don't have a whole lot to share (yet) except my gratitude, but I am SO appreciative. I've got a long way to go, but looking at where I was, and where I am now, at least I can smile and say its in MY hands, and not some doctor shaking his head trying to hand me tranquilzers and antidepressants saying "its all in your head". Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!!!!!!!!! |
Deb A.
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| | Posted on Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 2:15 pm: | |
You made my day! Just knowing you are feeling better is thanks enough. |
Deb A.
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| | Posted on Friday, July 20, 2007 - 11:03 am: | |
Amy's sausage... got brave and tried one last night and so far am feeling fine. Noticed my ear rang a little bit after eating it, but I did not wake up with any sort of headache, which is my usual pattern after eating something "bad". But in some cases, a reaction has taken 24 hours, so am still not out of the woods. If I do react later today, will let you know. It was the jalopena/pepper jack (not very spicy/hot at all)version. Have not tried the apple/gouda sausage yet, but if I do okay with this one, may try it next. With working here at my son's office every day since his wife had a baby a few weeks ago, it is a struggle to get a meal ready. Am learning a lot of shortcuts...hmmm, should put them in a new book for the busy cook...and aren't we all??!! Want to add that it said, "Spices" and "natural flavorings" on the label, but since my daughter and son did not react to them, I decided to go for it. They are not quite as MSG sensitive as I am. Be aware that a lot of the grapes on the market now are not from the U.S. Many, along with those grown in CA are being treated with sulfur dioxide. My daughter and I were elated yesterday to find tiny champagne grapes for sale at Costco, until we read that they were treated as afore mentioned. Not worth the stomach and headache troubles. Will wait till they are ready for sale at our farmer's market. |
gary
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| | Posted on Tuesday, November 06, 2007 - 8:51 am: | |
Hello We have been doing no msg/organic for 2 years. I needed to lose weight and wanted a meal replacement product that was all natural. I found one called Iasgenix. My whole family is now taking this with great results. I lost 22lbs.in the first 5 weeks while taking this product. Like I said it is a meal replacement product and comes with all natural vitamins and antioxidants.We have not had any neg. results at all and have found our energy levels greatly increased. This program also does cleanseing getting rid of all the built up toxins in your system. please e-mail for info on getting started on this life changing product.
gabshyden@clearwire.net
Thanks Gary |
Roy Piwovar
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| | Posted on Tuesday, November 06, 2007 - 5:21 pm: | |
Gary,
Glad it is working for you and your family, but I suspect many readers of this discussion board would have problems with products like the one linked below, whose main ingredients are whey protein concentrate, calcium caseinate and nonfat dry milk.
http://www.isagenix.com/us/en/cleanse_isalean_shake.dhtml# |
LaurenC
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| | Posted on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 8:42 am: | |
More to add to the chocolate saga (www.grasslandbeef.com):
The Raw Decadence Organic Dark Chocolate Bar is CCOF certified organic, 100% raw, gluten free, and contains NO trans fat, NO cholesterol, NO soy, and NO sodium.
Ingredients: organic dates, organic agave syrup, organic raw cacao nibs, organic raw cacao powder, organic raw pistachios, organic pecans, organic raw cashews, organic vanilla beans, organic coconut oil, organic cinnamon (all ingredients are raw and certified organic)
The Yoga White Chocolate Bar, the "Queen of Chocolates," is 100% raw, CCOF certified organic, gluten free, and contains NO soy, NO trans fat, NO cholesterol, and NO sodium. In warm weather, Yoga White Chocolate Bars straight from the freezer or refrigerator make a cool, smooth treat.
INGREDIENTS: organic dates, organic raw cashews, organic cacao butter, organic raw pistachios and organic honey (all ingredients are raw and certified organic) |
Becky
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 26, 2008 - 9:55 pm: | |
Mmm... Lauren, those look good! Who knew that you could find chocolates on a beef website? =) |
Rose
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| | Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 3:07 pm: | |
Are there any safe chocolates that are cashew free? I'm very allergic to cashews. |
Courtney
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| | Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 6:40 pm: | |
i just posted this a couple days ago. :-) enjoy!
http://www.msgmyth.com/discus/messages/3/1617.html?1206383123 |
Tom Fernstrom
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| | Posted on Saturday, March 29, 2008 - 7:09 am: | |
Any way we could get Excitotoxins included in the next revision of this law?
http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/alrgact.html
Tom |
Karen
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| | Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 3:43 pm: | |
Has anyone found a good moisturizing lotion, bath oil, or body oil?
Thanks,
Karen |
LaurenC
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| | Posted on Wednesday, April 02, 2008 - 7:31 am: | |
I LOVE the Terressentials products. I think it was Courtney who found them. I especially love the pure cocoa butter after showers. Just run it under hot water for a few seconds and shake well. I use the 100% shea butter on face and hands and it works great. The bath and hand soaps are excellent too... okay, it's all good stuff! These are the only products I've seen that are actually USDA certified organic. www.terressentials.com |
LaurenC
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| | Posted on Wednesday, April 02, 2008 - 7:32 am: | |
I want to mention also that since I started using their soaps, my skin isn't nearly as dry as it used to be, even without the moisturizers. |
Karen
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| | Posted on Friday, April 18, 2008 - 8:46 pm: | |
Has anyone tried hummus in place of rice? If so, has anyone got a name brand of hummus that doesn't contain all the usual additives? And, is it safe to eat since it must be boiled? I'm not having too much luck with rice. Every time I eat it I have a reaction, no matter how I cook it or freeze it. I also wonder if anyone has had problems with rice pasta? Since I'm having problems with rice, I wonder if the pasta will be a problem too, and could the problem be related to boiling? |
Anonymous
Posted From: 24.5.150.65
| | Posted on Saturday, April 19, 2008 - 12:13 pm: | |
Supposedly hummus is extremely easy to make, you can cook dried chickpeas same as other beans, or find a canned variety that doesn't bother you. Put them in the food processor with flavorings of your choice and grind until almost smooth, then drizzle in an olive oil - tahini mixture (with processor running). I haven't made it yet but have been wanting to try it. I think it's something like 6tbs tahini and enough olive oil to make it pour (per can of beans). I've never used tahini before so I'm not sure if I'd react to it or not. I'm not even sure where you buy it but I've frankly never looked at the grocery store. Not sure about the spices, but cumin, garlic, paprika, roasted peppers, salt, pepper, lemon juice, etc. would all be good. I imagine an internet search of hummus recipes would give you a consensus of popular spices.
Jennifer |
LaurenC
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| | Posted on Monday, April 21, 2008 - 7:56 am: | |
I seem to have a problem with rice as well. I do okay with the occasional brown rice pasta though... weird. |
Judith
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| | Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 1:36 pm: | |
I was having problems with rice, too, particularly brown. Even the smell bothered me, even organic. Lately I've been having success eating Lundberg's Organic White Jasmine rice. It really is a natural for those of us on the list because it cooks in five minutes or so. I think their Basmati cooks almost as fast and that was fine for me too. |
Deb A.
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| | Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 3:38 pm: | |
Seeds of Change Tomato Basil pasta sauce. I bought some recently at a discount store. A couple nights ago, we had it with pasta and I reacted the next day...stomach and headache. I just now called the company and gave them the bar code number. I told her about MSG and its aliases that I react to and told her that I suspected the word, "spice". She looked up the bar code and listed the ingredients. Apparently, I had an OLD bottle of sauce, and the ingredients were a bit different. There was no "Spice" labeling. But instead, they listed some vegetable gums that I always react to. So I suggested that they were probably present in the old product, but fell under the proprietary listing of "Spice". She said I was right. Also, they were using agave instead of organic cane syrup...which is better...but still can't use the product. Guess it's back to my own tomatoes, which are better in the long run. So when you feel a bit "off" like I had the times I was eating processed sauce, trust what your body is telling you, start journaling the foods you are eating, and find that culprit...you're not going nuts...it's MSG or some other toxin!!! |
Lisa Marie
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| | Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 4:06 pm: | |
Deb,
I used to tolerate Seeds of Change Tomato Basil--but over a year ago I got really sick after eating some. When I checked the ingredients, there were a couple 'new' things on there, including spice. Never eaten it since. I did get some Trader Joe's plain marinara sauce, because some here say they can eat it. I have eated it twice, and still not sure it is good for me.
Judith, I use only Lundberg's including the wild rice--I do okay with it, as long as I don't eat any leftovers of it. |
Deb A.
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| | Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 8:46 pm: | |
Thanks for sharing that with me, Lisa. It sure confirms what I suspected. |
Judith
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| | Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2008 - 11:35 am: | |
I just have no luck with pre-made anything and just make my own, but I feel your pain anyway! I hadn't tried Lundberg's wild rice, so I'll make a point of doing that, it sounds good. I guess I missed the original thread of reheated rice being a problem though several people have mentioned it recently. That might explain a few things, but still, I don't think I've had trouble with the jasmine reheated - maybe because it cooks so quickly initially? I have so much trouble finding safe fruit and vegetables and seem to react to so many of them, even with care in peeling and cooking them, auxigro and so on. Now I wonder if the Dawn connection you were discussing doesn't have something to do with it. How would we ever keep track of all the changes without each other! |
Courtney
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| | Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2008 - 9:16 pm: | |
Judith, I have no problems with reheating refrigerated rice. I just started freezing it a) to be safe and b) it's just me and 15 cups of rice goes a loooooooooooong way. In my scourings of the board when I first started out, I saw a smattering of people who were having problems with it. I'm definitely trying the lundburg's organic jasmine rice. I've gotten used to brown rice, but I really miss delicious, white, fluffy rice. Thanks! |
Brandy
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| | Posted on Friday, April 25, 2008 - 6:09 am: | |
Anyone tried this? We just started carrying it at my store and some of the Organic Prairie products sound too good to be true!
http://www.organicprairie.coop/products/turkey/oven-roasted-turkey-breast-slices-fresh/ |
Anonymous
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| | Posted on Saturday, April 26, 2008 - 7:23 pm: | |
It certainly does look too good to be true.. . |
seymor
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| | Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 7:35 pm: | |
i havent tried it. i wonder if the 'roasting' or 'smoking' of the meat would make free glutamte? |
LisaMarie
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| | Posted on Monday, April 28, 2008 - 11:23 am: | |
I can't eat anything smoked--not sure why. |
Deb A.
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| | Posted on Monday, April 28, 2008 - 4:35 pm: | |
I do fine with my son-in-law's smoked meats as long as the meat and the seasoning salt (I make it for him) are safe. But so many of the meats smoked in restaurants have liquid smoke and MSG added....both bad. |
Rose
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| | Posted on Monday, April 28, 2008 - 8:30 pm: | |
Deb, I wanted to try your recipe for flour tortillas. Question: safe flours (I was going to look for a whole wheat flour, type and brand?)and baking powders (is Rumsford okay)? THank you. I'm so missing bread. By the way, is anyone having trouble with the Carr's Table Water Crackers? I can't figure out what I'm reacting to right now. My tongue and throat have been aggravated since Thursday or Friday. |
Brandy
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| | Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2008 - 8:03 pm: | |
Rose, I can empathize with throat reactions. I have had autoimmune reactions to glutamate in my throat/tongue for over 2 years. I have only found ONE thing that helps my throat reactions. And this has only been in the last month or so. It is a homeopathic medicine called Allergy: Food & Chemical Relief by KingBio.
http://kingbio.stores.yahoo.net/alchemrel.html
It has worked amazingly well. It is water based so you don't have to worry about alcohol. It sells for about $17 at my job. Worth every penny. |
Brandy
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| | Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2008 - 8:07 pm: | |
They have TONS of great products as you will see! Truly a gift from God. |
Deb A.
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| | Posted on Wednesday, April 30, 2008 - 12:12 pm: | |
I use any whole wheat flour, but I do like Montana Gold hard white wheat flour. I usually mix whole wheat flour with Hodgson's Mills white flour from Walmart...half and half. If it seems too dry, just add a little more water. You can make them as thick or thin as you like. I make my own baking powder now (recipe in book) so I don't know the best kind to buy. There's a recipe for yeast free bread in the book. Muffins and biscuits are a great bread fix, too! |
Dianne
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| | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 1:48 pm: | |
Deb, I know you have used Muir Glen ketchup in the past and so I had also changed to that brand. I sent my husband to the market to get that, without telling him to make sure and check the ingredients for me. He came home with Muir Glen Organic Ketchup - but for some reason I decided to check the ingredients and lo and behold they are different (and different than their website lists). It now contains "natural flavor" as the last ingredient. Do you possibly know if it is still safe? |
Lisa Marie
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| | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 2:45 pm: | |
I would not trust it. I avoid all 'natural flavor.' I use Heinz--the regular works for me, but I know that others would be sensitive. I use Heinz organic when I have it also. |
Dianne
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| | Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 3:26 pm: | |
I emailed Muir Glen twice. Their first reply didn't answer my concerns at all, they didn't have a clue what I needed. Their 2nd reply said "Our Muir Glen Ketchup as the following 'Natural Flavors': oils of clove, cassia, celery, organic garlic powder and organic cayenne. (FYI: cassia is a type of cinnamon)"
So it is probably still ok. |
patrick
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| | Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 5:15 am: | |
Here is my response I got from them from them:
Dear Valued Consumer:
Thank you for contacting Muir Glen, and your inquiry about MSG in our products. Our Research and Development Department makes every effort to create spice and ingredient blends that result in the best possible taste in all of our products without adding MSG.
Muir Glen understands consumers' concerns about monosodium glutamate (MSG) and would like to clarify the issues that arise as a result of its presence in foods. I would like to emphasize that Muir Glen does not add MSG to any of its products, nor do we add MSG to any of the ingredients that we use in our formulations.
Monosodium glutamate naturally occurs in a variety of foods and ingredients such as milk, cheese, meat, fish, poultry, corn, tomatoes, seaweed, miso, gelatin, yeast, malt, whey protein, soy protein and soy sauce. The protein portion of each of these foods provides one of the basic components of MSG. All proteins, plant or animal, are composed of amino acids (the building blocks of protein), one of which is glutamic acid. When protein is broken down by processes such as cooking, digestion, or fermentation, some amino acids (including glutamic acid) become free to combine with other elements. Sodium is an element that is readily available in most food systems. Monosodium glutamate forms when free glutamic acid combines with sodium. Free glutamate is present in virtually all protein containing foods at some level. The levels of naturally occurring MSG in our products are low, relative to a variety of foods.
If you have any further questions or concerns, please feel free to contact us again.
Sincerely,
Allison Owen |
Lisa Marie
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| | Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 5:33 am: | |
No one wants to admit that Free Glutamate is different than bound, and affects us differently. They all respond with those talking points. |
patrick
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| | Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 7:51 am: | |
Lisa, you are correct. This has the same as usual we don't do it on purpose..blah blah |
Deb A.
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| | Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 9:23 am: | |
Sorry I haven't been able to post for a few days...and I mean unable. For some reason, when I would click to post, the error page would come up. It was getting spooky and I was starting to get paranoid...then Mike fixed it a few minutes ago. Had to do with something he forgot to do after adding information on our home page about the petition. I haven't used Muir Glen for awhile. I have the Trader Joe's organic ketchup. Natural Flavors can be the company's term for their proprietary blend of spices that is protected from disclosure by the FDA. They do not have to divulge it so that it is not copied by competitors or consumers. If you give them a list of the additives that contain glutamate, they can tell you if it is safe for you. Tell them you are "allergic" to glutamate. |
Dianne/Maine
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| | Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 9:47 am: | |
Same thing happened with Whole Foods 365 Brand canola mayonnaise. For years, all ingredients were safe with "rosemary" listed. Then it went off the shelf and when it came back it listed "natural flavors". I emailed Whole Foods and received a detailed response from someone there about all of their 365 mayonnaise products and exactly what the flavors are. They are still safe. I did explain to the rep that for thousands of us, the words "natural flavors" will keep us from purchasing their products because we get toxic reactions and our health is very important to us. All we can do is keep asking for specific ingredients and to let the companies know what we, as consumers, are looking for--or rather tell them what we don't want in our food. Never assume that something you've been buying for years is the same...keep checking those labels so you don't get tripped up. Memorial Day weekend is coming up...happy and healthy eating everyone!! |
Rose
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| | Posted on Friday, May 23, 2008 - 12:37 pm: | |
Thanks Dianne; hope you all have a great holiday! Since I still haven't made bread, I've been using organic lettuce or very well rinsed lettuce as a wrap for my burgers. Tastes really good with some cheese & a tomato slice. And I don't feel so deprived. |
Deb A.
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| | Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 - 11:18 am: | |
That's a great idea, Rose. We grilled some organic ground beef hamburgers and they were so good. I sliced some onions and tossed them with a little flour, salt, pepper, and sugar and then fried them in a little oil until brown. They get chewy/crunchy. We topped the burgers with the onions and ate with organic ketchup. Really tasted good. Didn't have any homemade bread around, but with all the other foods, we didn't miss the buns. Has anyone tried the Applegate hotdogs? Bought some to try, but haven't eaten yet. |
Lisa Marie
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| | Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 - 12:34 pm: | |
Deb, last week I bought some Applegate beef organic hot dogs, which used to be safe. I ate one for lunch and within an hour, my heart was racing and I didn't feel right. It was a pretty bad reaction, considering I usually have more delayed symptoms. I thought someone recently posted that the stadium ones were okay, but I didn't find any of those, so got these instead. |
Roy Piwovar
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| | Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 - 4:15 pm: | |
Lisa Marie,
It's the vague "organic spices" ingredient that looks the most suspicious to me:
http://applegatefarms.com/Products/Details.aspx?ProductID=129
The "stadium" variety lists it, too:
http://applegatefarms.com/Products/Details.aspx?ProductID=205 |
Deb A.
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| | Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 12:44 pm: | |
The lactate from sugar beets may also be a problem. Thanks, guys! |
Lisa Marie
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| | Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 6:18 pm: | |
Pretty soon all the sugar we get will be genetically engineered.
Quote from this site:
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/09/sugar_beets.php
Sugar From Genetically Engineered Beets on Its Way
by Jasmin Malik Chua, Jersey City, USA on 09.12.07
Food & Health
Look out for genetically modified sugar in a shopping aisle near you by next year. American Crystal, a large Wyoming-based sugar company, has announced it will be sourcing its sugar from genetically engineered sugar beets beginning this year and arriving in stores in 2008, according to the Associated Press.
Spotting those GE sweeteners won't be easy: You won't find any labels trumpeting this detail, because; like GE corn and GE soy, products containing GE-beet-derived sugar will be on the down-low. (Oooh, those wascally wabbits!)
The GE sugar beet is designed to hold its own against Monsanto's broad-spectrum Roundup herbicide, and farmers planing GE sugar beets are told they may be able to apply the herbicide up to five times a year, says the Organic Consumers Association (OCA).
The article goes on-see the link. |
Deb A.
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| | Posted on Wednesday, June 04, 2008 - 11:23 am: | |
Let's hope cane sugar is not tampered with. |
Fly Girl
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| | Posted on Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 2:58 pm: | |
Is Orville Redenbacher Smart Pop safe? It has "natural flavors". I called the 800 number, and the woman said there is not MSG on the label. But I got a killer headache after eating the popcorn, and I was wondering if it was the popcorn or some other reason. |
Deb A.
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| | Posted on Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 3:24 pm: | |
It was most likely the popcorn. Natural flavors often means it contains glutamate rich additives like autolyzed yeast, dextrins, dextrose, and others. Trust your body and the fact that companies delight in the fact that they can have a label clean of the MSG word, but con get away without labeling the glutamate rich additive substitute for MSG. Natural Flavors is a company's proprietary blend of seasonings protected by the FDA as secret, so that others don't steal their special spice recipe...at our cost. |
Anonymous
Posted From: 209.204.178.27
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 12:32 pm: | |
Has anyone tried the tactic of filing a formal complaint? As in "I tried your product, and while the label didn't indicate the presence of free glutamates, it made me terribly sick in the exact way MSG does. Do you want a letter from my doctor? I'd like to file an official complaint".
Of course while my doctor didn't help me with my MSG problem, he believes me and would probably write a letter. I guess I'm lucky & have a good MD.
Jennifer |
Anonymous
Posted From: 24.214.40.76
| | Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2008 - 2:04 pm: | |
Do you have a recommendation for a good Organic Hot Sauce? Also do you know of a good Organic BBQ Sauce that's safe? |
Dianne
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| | Posted on Saturday, September 27, 2008 - 7:14 am: | |
Don't know of one, but you can make your own. If you are interested in doing so, I can post a recipe. |
Deb A.
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| | Posted on Monday, September 29, 2008 - 3:54 pm: | |
Just puree some fresh hot peppers with some water and bring to a simmer with some salt added. You can add a little organic apple cider vinegar, if you like. Or you can buy some dry hot peppers and let them soak in warm water till softened. Then place in blender and puree with some water. Simmer as for the fresh. I add some cayenne powder if we want it even hotter. Barbecue sauce...just mix together some safe catsup like Trader Joe's or Muir Glen organic with some organic prepared or regular dry mustard, some brown sugar or organic raw sugar or honey, and some salt and pepper, cayenne and then some organic vinegar to taste..add some water if too thick..add more of any of the ingredients to taste. I like to add some chipotle chili flakes for a smokey hot flavor. |
CherylA
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| | Posted on Friday, October 17, 2008 - 12:48 pm: |
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