|Posted on Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 6:44 am: || |
I have some rather serious health problems and need to get on some vitamins. Are there ANY companies out there that make msg free vitamins? I eat organic whole foods from scratch and it isn't enough for my problems.
|Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 10:41 am: || |
Try needs.com or beyond a century. I've purchased a few from there in the straight 100% powdered form.
If it tastes terrible, I mix it in a spoonful of applesauce and gulp it down like a pill followed by a full glass of water. Good luck!
|Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 4:16 am: || |
Thank you so much Emily. I'll check into that right away. This forum is awesome.
|Posted on Friday, June 19, 2009 - 1:11 pm: || |
Don't be surprpized if you still have a reaction from these vitamins.
As I understand it, the very process by which vitamins are made produces free glutamate.
If they work out for you, come back here and update your post. I'd love to find vitamins and minerals that I can take.
|Posted on Friday, June 19, 2009 - 8:09 pm: || |
Five, wouldn't it depend on the mineral and if that mineral contains glutamate originally?
I personally have had success with 100% straight taurine, folic acid and vitamin c.
|Posted on Monday, June 22, 2009 - 2:11 pm: || |
Glutamate is an amino acid and I haven't heard that minerals contain amino acids. If you are highly senstive to glutamate, even some of the powders could contain some filler that has some glutamate residue. I do okay with the powdered taurine, Tri-Salts, magnesium orotate, and B6. I don't take them regularly, relying mainly on whole foods for nutrition. But if I feel off, I will take some for awhile.
|Posted on Saturday, June 27, 2009 - 9:57 am: || |
Folic acid is actually a string of glutamate. I think a lot of food companies are pushing to add it so perhaps they can process the food to free it later. I try to find vitamins that DON'T add folate. A new study has just come out that says folic acid is NOT a good supplement for cancer patients. I am not surprised.
|Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2009 - 2:05 am: || |
I use magnesium chloride (=magnesium salt) as flakes from Ancient Minerals. It taste bad but you can make a concentrated solution and use a spray bottle and spray it on your skin. It will be asborbed by the skin. Absolutely no MSG.
|Posted on Monday, June 29, 2009 - 2:58 pm: || |
Carol, that's so interesting about folic acid. They sure push it on baby boomers.
|Posted on Monday, June 29, 2009 - 4:25 pm: || |
For years doctors have strongly recommended vitamins with folic acid for pregnant women and those considering becoming pregnant. Saying adequate folate intake during the periconceptional period helps protect against a number of congenital malformations including neural tube defects (which are the most notable birth defects that occur from folate deficiency). Neural tube defects (NTDs) result in malformations of the spine (spina bifida), skull, and brain (anencephaly). The protective effect of folate during pregnancy goes beyond NTDs. Supplementation with folic acid has been shown to reduce the risk of congenital heart defects, cleft palate, limb defects, and urinary tract anomalies.
Do you think folic acid has an adverse effect on the baby?
|Posted on Tuesday, June 30, 2009 - 12:12 am: || |
debbiebol, what kind of health problems do you have that require vitamins? Maybe you don't need vitamins.
The more I learn about supplements, the more I lean toward the conclusion that foods are better.
1. Vitamins can be in a wrong form. B12 in the form of cyanocobalamin can in the worst case cause a deficiency of B12 and in the best case is not used efficiently enough to be of any therapeutic value.
2. Nutrients tend to be problematic in isolation. For example taking only 1 B vitamin and not the whole B complex can cause a deficiency of the others. Something similar can happen with the carotenes. Nutrients in foods (instead of supplements) tend to not be isolated.
3. Someone said that the body does not like nutrients in excess concentration, such as they are likely to be in supplements.
4. As you already noticed, supplements can have MSG and other bad things in them.
5. Many supplements taste bad. For example selenium tablets taste bad. 100 grams of Brazil nuts have enough selenium to last me a month (according to USDA data) and they taste better than selenium tablets. (I tend to think that if something tastes bad, it probably is bad.)
The rule with nutrients is: get them from foods if you can, from supplements cautiously if you must.
|Posted on Tuesday, June 30, 2009 - 12:18 pm: || |
For one thing I have gastroparesis so I can only eat a very little food and it fills me up for several hours. Gastroparesis is nerve damage to the digestive tract. I only weigh 92 lbs. I have had this condition for 11 years. Suffered terrible weekly migraines for 6 years. I have problems with adrenal exhaustion and two months ago became very ill with what they think is IC(intercystial cystitis) an incurable disease. I make all food homemade and buy organic including all meat and cheese and I exercise. I am also hypothyroid for the past 11 years. I really do better on probiotics and digestive enzymes, but since the IC thing, I can't have anything with msg and have stopped them.
|Posted on Tuesday, June 30, 2009 - 6:18 pm: || |
debbiebol, Hope you find everything you need to allow your body to heal. Have you been tested for Celiac disease? It could expain some of your symptoms. http://www.glutenfree.com/info/Celiac.aspx
I've read that D-Mannose can help some people with intercystial cystitis. A relative used it for bladder problems and it helped her. http://www.usingdmannose.co.uk/HealthArticles/knowledge-base/fighting-cystitis-and-utis/problem-cases.htm
|Posted on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 4:52 am: || |
I do not have celiac disease, but I am gluten intolerant and after 8 months of being gluten free I was able to cut back on my gastroparesis meds, but am unable to get totally off of them at this point. Since cutting down on the meds I cannot eat as much, but am not nauseated, which is a huge success. I just can't eat a lot because if I force it, I get very ill. There are also a lot of absorbtion issues with gastroparesis which is why the probiotics and digestive enzymes help. I would really like to go back on them. I don't know what to do at this point. Is there such a thing as probiotics and digestive enzymes that aren't full of msg? I'm still somewhat ignorant of what protease(the main ingredient) is and can't find very much info about it. Debbey, I have your book, but it doesn't bring up probiotics and digestive enzymes. Have any thoughts on my dilema or where I can get more info about them?
By the way, I have osteoporosis as well and my doc wants me to take tons of calcium because I am only 45. Actually, he wants me on Boniva, which I have resisted. I found out my calcium supplement has a large amount of glutamic acid in it and stopped taking it. So now I am on nothing which is a little scary at this point.
|Posted on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 9:42 am: || |
I suggest that you avoid enzymes, but that is based on my bad experience with them years ago before I learned about MSG. My doctor had recommended them and I didn't improve..felt poorly. I have found kefir to help me a lot. I buy it at a European market since most of the other brands contain fillers rich in glutamate like carrageenan, gelatin, or dry milk solids....look around and read labels to see if you can find some. I used to buy Flora 16 probiotic powder, but they started adding a filler that contains some glutamate. I bought it through www.needs.com. I think Trader Joe's probiotic pill is okay. As for calcium, can you tolerate organic whole milk? Strawberries and dark leafy veggies like romaine, collards, and kale are rich in calcium. I do well with Tri-Salts from Ecological Formulas, also available at www.needs.com. It contains calcium, magnesium, and potassium carbonate in powder form. The fact that you are not nauseated as much says you must be on the right track. Hang in there.
|Posted on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 9:52 am: || |
I do agree with Jerry about vitamins...more and more recent data point to the fact that the body does very little with man made ones, whether they are called "natural" or not. Eat real whole, unadulterated food.
|Posted on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 10:40 am: || |
Debbiebol, You probably know that vitamins and minerals don't stand alone, they require others to assimilate. For example, you need vit D to absorb calcium and the list goes on and on for all other nutrients as well. I understand there are circumstances when a person needs to supplement their diet but just be careful and learn as much as you can - or maybe you already have. Anyway, I wish you well.
|Posted on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 12:23 pm: || |
This bladder thing has me on a very strict diet or else I experience a lot of pain so I can't do kefir or strawberries yet. I eat spinach about 3 times a day in smoothies and a lot of other ways. Thanks for the info about Trader Joes's probiotics. Is that a brand name or a store name? I've never seen one around here. The thing about the probiotics is that they help so much in breaking down the food that I can eat more. I can drink a little milk, but the fat is hard to digest. I usually drink raw milk. I know I sound like a mess, but really I'm doing okay. Just want to get as well as I can be under the circumstances of a lot of health problems, which may be minor compared to a lot of people. Thanks everyone.
|Posted on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 12:54 pm: || |
Just wanted to say that I also responded very well to the Tri-Salts from Ecological Formulas from www.needs.com. My daughter has an allergy to dairy so while I was nursing her I needed to be 100% free from all dairy. It was dangerous to not take a calcium, so I took the Tri-Salts from Ecological Formulas twice a day. I feared a reaction but did fine. I have some dairy back in my diet now and no longer take the Tri-Salts but it worked great for those 12 months.
|Posted on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 8:37 pm: || |
Deb, what is the brand name of the Kefir you get at that Euro market?
|Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 12:02 am: || |
I must disagree about the vitamins. In an ideal world you would get everything you need from food, but who can eat 20 different fruits, 20 different vegetables and 100s of other ingredients every day? And who can afford it and have the time to cook?
PS. I take Life Extension Mix tablets from Lef.org. They contain arond 88 different substances and vitamin/mineral forms. They recommend 9 tablets/day and when I am extra MSG sensitive I have a problem with that and only take a around three to four.
|Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 6:16 am: || |
While looking to see if I could buy Trader Joe's probiotics online, which I couldn't seem to be able to do, I found a probiotic that only had Lactobacillus in it and no fillers in a veg. cellulose capsule called Culturelle. They have a website. It looks promising. Anyone know anything about that one? I also found Nutriplex vitamins, which are whole food vitamins, and seem to have several which are safe. But I am a newbie to the world of msg info. Anyone know?
|Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 9:20 am: || |
Nutrition begins not with food but with soil.
Here is proof.
Notice that in some cases the difference between the lowest value and highest value is extreme.
More about soil minerals.
|Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 4:39 pm: || |
debbiebol, I've been told by several different natural health doctors that alot of the probiotics out there on the market do not contain what they say they do as far as the amount of friendly bacteria and it is important to buy from reputable companies for highest quality probiotic.
But the problem therein is even with the high quality ones, those with msg sensitivities may still have a problem with them...thus the conundrum. Here is what I look for: if a probiotic contains FOS (alot of them do), to be aware as FOS derives from either soy or chicory root, both of which have msg. A few I know of that don't contain FOS can only be obtained through licensed health practitioners, however, there are a few available to public mainstream via online that also don't have FOS nor any other fillers and such that we need to be careful of. The other ingredient I've seen in several brands is maltodextrin or dextrose - I avoid those as well.
Here is my short list:
1. Theralac - Very high quality probiotic and highly recommended if you can handle it. Although this one could cause a problem in that it has cellulose and also lecithin (albeit only 10 miligrams worth for the lecithin and I believe some can handle the cellulose if it is plant derived which most is). Here is the link http://www.theralac.com/InsideTheralac.aspx
2. Lacto-Fera = this one looks to be just straight Bacillus laterosporus without any fillers or such. I have ordered from GHC before and they are reputable (the probiotic brand I am unfamiliar with however). http://www.ghchealth.com/probiotic-bacterium-supplement.php
3. Pro-Flora Plus = this is a very high quality probiotic and usually only can be obtained through a health practitioner, but this ND is selling it online whether you are a patient of his or not. This brand makes two types of probiotics - one is just called ProFlora and the other is ProFlora Plus - I believe the "Plus" one is the one without FOS but if you are interested in this product, I'd call them first to be sure. http://www.thedispensaryonline.com/shopcart/largestore_aisle.php?page=2
Here is the label list of ingredients: http://www.bio-genesis.com/pdf/ProFloraPlus.pdf
|Posted on Friday, July 03, 2009 - 10:17 am: || |
Since I rarely need pro-biotics, when I do, I can still handle the amount of lactose..or is it dextrose in the Flora 16 Probiotic?? I'm out of it now and that's why I used the Trader Joe's tablet...doesn't have as much flora as the one I mentioned, but will use it when need it. It's Drader Darwin's Acidophilus and Probiotic Complex/50 tabs. Contains 4 billion organisms at time of manufacture. The only questionable ingredient is pectin, but I haven't reacted yet. As I said, I don't take them regularly...mostly if I have taken anti-biotics or been "poisoned" with MSG or sulfites.the kefir is Lifeway real original kefir, plain. Has whole milk, some nonfat milk, and inulin with10 different cultures.
|Posted on Friday, July 03, 2009 - 10:18 am: || |
Sorry, that's Trader Darwin's...
|Posted on Sunday, July 05, 2009 - 10:15 am: || |
Thank you Deb and Melinda. But what is FOS? I have the Garden of Life probiotics bottle which I was taking before I knew about some of the ingredients. I don't see anything that says FOS. It has many additives, but I don't see that.
Also, Melinda, you recommend Theralac if you can handle it. Is it super strong and hard on the stomach or something? Thank you.
|Posted on Sunday, July 05, 2009 - 2:30 pm: || |
debbiebol, I only meant if you could handle the small amount of lecithin or cellulose in the Theralac. It is a high quality probiotic which doesn't mean it is hard on the stomach, it should be more helpful and here is why (info found on their website):
"Theralac probiotics are the most effective probiotic supplements because their patented acid-proof formulation protects the sensitive probiotic bacteria as they pass through the acidic stomach; this allows them to enter the intestinal tract unharmed at full strength. Once in the intestinal tract, Theralac's five probiotics are stimulated into action by its two prebiotics (LactoStim and Lactoferrin -- patent pending) to give you maximum probiotic benefit. It's called 5 + 2 Biotherapy and is only available in Theralac".
If you do try it I'd maybe just start with 1/2 capsule (open capsule and pour out 1/2 powder) and take that for a few days to test for reactions before you get to normal dosages.
FOS = Fructooligosaccharides. They are short chain sugars found in some vegetables or fruit. The reason I avoid it is due to the source they come from - if chicory root or soy, both have high glutamates in them which I react to. But also there is some controversy about whether FOS belongs in probiotics at all or how good for one it really is (if you are curious for more info on that, here is a website - http://www.scdiet.org/6research/fos.html)
|Posted on Sunday, July 05, 2009 - 3:52 pm: || |
You probably already know this about the spices, tea, etc....but I didn't
From University of Michigan health system:
"You can support probiotic growth by increasing the amount of cultured dairy products you eat, such as cheeses and yogurt, and the foods that encourage probiotics from these dairy products to multiply even further: spices, tea, red wine, berries, apples and beans. Today, the world of probiotics is emerging on the cutting-edge of mainstream medicine."
Kind of nice to know a large, well respected health system believes in probiotics.
|Posted on Tuesday, July 07, 2009 - 12:40 pm: || |
Homemade yogurt has made a tremendous difference for my digestion. I bought the cultures from customprobiotics.com (they don't contain dry milk powder) and make it with whole milk. It is really quite easy to make it with a big pot, thermometer, mason jars and heating pad. I have recently found about viili and matsoni which are room temperature fermented yogurts and want to try them. Also, traditionally made sauerkraut contains tons of vitamins compared to plain cabbage. I am going to try fermented veggies myself as soon as I can find some decent cabbage in the store (check out perfectpickler.com).
|Posted on Wednesday, July 08, 2009 - 10:55 am: || |
Just be careful that the food that you are fermenting is not high in naturally occurring glutamate. Bacteria and enzymes are used to create MSG and other flavor enhancers in the factory.
|Posted on Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 4:22 am: || |
Here's an article discussing the relationships of minerals:
And the home page is also interesting:
|Posted on Saturday, July 14, 2012 - 9:19 pm: || |
You guys have been the first to educate me about the truth on supplements. I came across this article today, and it explains it all so clearly! Everyone go check it out:
|Posted on Sunday, July 15, 2012 - 3:11 am: || |
Thanks Ada, It's an interesting article. It may very well be true that a "whole food" type of vitamin is the best type to use for a supplement.
One paragraph says,
"Whole food vitamins are obtained by taking a vitamin-rich plant, removing the water and the fiber in a cold vacuum process, free of chemicals, and then packaging for stability. The entire vitamin complex in this way can be captured intact, retaining its “functional and nutritional integrity.” (DeCava p.23.) Upon ingestion, the body is not required to draw on its own reserves in order to complete any missing elements from the vitamin complex."
This to me sounds like a lot of processing and destroying of nutrients. I'll be the first to admit I don't know a ton about vitamins other than what I've read over the years - and most of that told me that all vitamins and minerals are synergistic...you can't really isolate one and expect it to work, just like the article stated. I also don't know if any vitamins really work, even the "whole food" varities. Another quite knowledgable Health web-forum host recommends a "whole food" brand though. I have forgotten the brand name, but I will ask her and get back with you.
p.s. I hope this article is one of the 1% (not 99%).
|Posted on Sunday, July 15, 2012 - 6:27 am: || |
Ada, She uses http://www.thesynergycompany.com/ov_vitamins.htm
they have a few different varities, including some organic.
|Posted on Saturday, August 10, 2013 - 7:11 am: || |
This is an old post. Wondering what probiotic MSG sensitive folks are using now. I react to FOS and can't hve dairy. I react to so many.
|Posted on Tuesday, August 13, 2013 - 6:51 am: || |
I use Thorne Basic Nutrients V. But I'm less sensitive to fillers and more to specific vitamins.
|Posted on Tuesday, August 13, 2013 - 2:28 pm: || |
I also use Thorne Basic Nutrients V.