|Posted on Monday, January 29, 2001 - 4:41 pm: || |
I am allergic to msg and citrus and aspartame. On saturday night, I ate a LOT of food that I knew I shouldn't have (those cravings are killer) I had my typical reaction which usually lasts for about 24 hours. Now it is 48 hours after I ate the offending foos and i am still in a lot of pain. I have a terrible sinus headache and my sinuses are stuffed up. I have had a cough all day but my cough is feeling a little better now. I am also extremely fatigued and a little dizzy. Is it possible that this is still a reaction from what I ate Saturday night? How long do your reactions usually last? Is it more likely that my reaction just weakened my immune system and made me more susceptible to being sick?
|Posted on Monday, January 29, 2001 - 7:04 pm: || |
Well, I ate some restaurant food for lunch on Thursday, woke with a migraine on Friday that finally subsided yesterday (Sunday) afternoon and I'm still recovering. After the headache lifted, I had sore and achy neck and shoulders and flickering pains down my arms, and today have pain and numbness in my left hand (just the muscles used when I move my pinky such as when typing). My brain has still not returned to normal, and my neck is still tender.
Your symptoms sound like you're still affected by the MSG. It is quite common for reaction symptoms to take 3-5 days to abate. Not really worth the momentary pleasure of letting go and eating something we know we should pass up.
|Posted on Monday, January 29, 2001 - 7:16 pm: || |
My reactions actually last 7-10 days!
|Posted on Monday, January 29, 2001 - 9:39 pm: || |
A bad reaction sets me back 2 to 3 days. Since I have put more time and distance between my "poisonings", they don't seem to last as long or be as intense. They used to last 5 to 6 days. I have avoided MSG since 1995. I can look back and see how much more careful I am now about what I eat than when I was just learning and making many more mistakes.
|Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2001 - 3:47 pm: || |
It used to take me at least four days to get over a bad MSG reaction. I never felt quite all right till the fifth day.
|Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2001 - 4:07 pm: || |
Six days was the longest headache, except for an eight day one that I am sure was actually two in a row from eating my own chicken soup. Anyway, the six day one was what finally took me to a headache clinic. The first thing they handed me was a list of foods to avoid. I had been avoiding MSG for years, or so I thought.Then they handed me one medication after another, none of which had any effect on my headaches. I finally discovered Debby's book last year and I have made much progress since then. Learn all you can. MSG is in virtually everything to some degree.
|Posted on Tuesday, June 05, 2001 - 1:35 pm: || |
I decided to have a big Idaho baked potato today. I've been doing so well until today. The potato was the only thing that I could have reacted to.
Right now my neck, fingers, head, legs and arms are hurting just terrible. Just to let you know the Idaho potatoes are not a good thing. Another day lost to the reaction of free glutamate until it runs through my system/body. I react to glutamate with in two/three hours. Tomorrow I'll be ok.
|Posted on Tuesday, June 05, 2001 - 4:52 pm: || |
A few weeks ago I began consuming more potatoes in response to the recommendations in the book, "Potatoes Not Prozac". Although they didn't cause the intense headaches that some foods give me, I have noticed an increase in my mood problems. I guess it's that horrible Auxi-gro (sp?).
Well, it was my recent frustrations that eventually led me to this website, so maybe I should be grateful for the potatoes after all...
|Posted on Tuesday, June 05, 2001 - 7:24 pm: || |
Some people attribute the symptoms you mention to the ingestion of plants in the nightshade family, which includes potatoes:
|Posted on Wednesday, June 06, 2001 - 6:34 am: || |
I'm ok this morning. Very little pain left and I can walk. It works the same way everytime I have a problem from getting something that brings on what I call a flare. This was the first time I ate potatoes from Idaho in a long time. I eat potatoes regularly with no problem. I usually eat red potatoes. Not from Idaho. I share this only to help others to be aware of hazzardous products that cause undeserved pain and suffering.
|Posted on Wednesday, June 06, 2001 - 7:17 am: || |
I've been eating only organic potatoes for the last year, because of AuxiGro. Not all varieties are in season year round, so I have to buy whatever organic potato they have. I also eat baked Garnet yams, organic. Potatoes, iceberg lettuce (not available in organic so I buy organic green or red leaf), and strawberries almost always have AuxiGro sprayed on them, so I buy them only in organic. Many of my local chain markets are stocking organic fruits and veggies. I'm glad to see there is enough demand.
|Posted on Wednesday, June 06, 2001 - 7:02 pm: || |
For the first time yesterday, I saw (& bought) organic head lettuce at the grocery store. It was grown in California, and I live in Oregon. So it is available in some places.
|Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2001 - 1:15 pm: || |
I am discouraged today! I have one of my miserable headaches. I was at a meeting last night where homemade chocolate chip cookies were served and I finally gave into my craving and ate two. Could those two cookies have affected me this much? I am also wondering if the problem is the lamb I roasted and ate yesterday (and nibbled on this morning). I'm trying to increase my protein intake to steady out the blood sugar. (I know, I know... eating the cookies was dumb!) I had lamb at a restaurant the other night and felt great the next day, so I thought that was a good meat choice for me. (I bought my lamb at a butcher shop instead of a grocery store) But now I'm confused!
I NEED to eat regularly to keep up my blood sugar, but I now I'm afraid to eat anything!
Then again it was probably just those cookies.....
|Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2001 - 1:38 pm: || |
Just a short note here to tell you a little about bakery goods. A great deal of homemade products can be made with unsalted butter, which contains natural flavors. I am one of the more sensitive people who post here, and unsalted butter can not only give me raging head pain, and sinus conjestion, it once caused me to be out of work for days. Be careful!!
|Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2001 - 2:20 pm: || |
Carole, I think the key words were Chocolate chip cookies. Chocolate contains substances that are migraine triggers. Many people sensitive to MSG and tyramine must watch intake of chocolate. It is not just the caffeine, theobromine gives people trouble. Also, cocoa beans are fermented before they are roasted and ground, so tyramine is involved as well.
|Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2001 - 4:24 pm: || |
DJ and Carole H, Thanks for the input. I will certainly stay away from chocolate chip cookies from now on. But I am still suspicious of the lamb. I found out that the lamb I ate at the restaurant was fresh, locally raised. (That's the lamb I did not react to.) The lamb I got at the butcher was from Australia, frozen. The butcher had assured me there were no chemicals pumped into it, but I'm not sure I believe him (how would he know for sure?)
Does all or most frozen meat have chemicals added?
I did find another butcher in town that sells only fresh, local lamb.
|Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2001 - 5:54 pm: || |
Two chocolate cookies give me a headache, anytime...too much glutamate from malted barley flour, lecithin (from soy and used in the chips, along with whole milk solids), margarine or unsalted butter, or shortening (especially butter flavored), baking powder, corn syrup and brown sugar, and artificial and "natural flavor". Commercial cookies often contain "flavor enhancers". They are mixtures of various ingredients, some of which contain MSG. We all need to be aware of special salts that are blends sold to bakeries and other food producers. Often it is a blend of dextrose, salt, flowing agents that contain alginate (from seaweed and containing glutamate), and pure MSG. It is also used on "kettle corn", and peanuts and other snacks.
|Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2001 - 6:01 pm: || |
Deb A (and anyone else): So is it your guess that the frozen lamb from Australia was probably okay?
|Posted on Friday, June 08, 2001 - 2:38 am: || |
Below is a web site for Australian frozen lamb. It makes no mention of using any additives in processing. I also am more suspicious of the cookies.
|Posted on Friday, June 08, 2001 - 7:30 am: || |
In the big scope of events, meat seems to be more protected and screened than other foods. If meat is 'flavored enhanced' or messed with, the label usually says so. I avoid pork and chicken from chains that are 'cheaper'...their meat is usually enhanced. However, I eat Costco meats including their chicken and pork and have not yet had a reaction. As for chocolate chip cookies; well they are a memory...haven't had one for over a year. There are some good shortbread, ginger, and other yummy cookies but chocolate is a killer for me.
|Posted on Friday, June 08, 2001 - 7:38 am: || |
Thank you all for your responses. I am learning so much!
I feel reassured about the meat and I will STAY AWAY from the cookies!
Just a little residual headache today and some achiness and general yuckiness. Yesterday was truly awful but I made it through.
|Posted on Friday, June 08, 2001 - 5:41 pm: || |
"I nearly fell out of my rocking chair" as my grandmother used to say, when a friend passed this to me in his general mailing list. I guess the word is getting around more than we realize sometimes. Sorry it is so long, I guess I don't say much but when I do I really go for it.
I don't know whether all of this can be backed in scientific studies but I'm sure willing to go without aspartame in the meantime.
Below in full is the email passed to me:
Please read this and pass on:
"The Dangers of Aspartame"
Article written by Betty Martini
I have spent several days lecturing at the WORLD
ENVIRONMENTAL CONFERENCE on ASPARTAME:
Marketed as 'NutraSweet,' 'Equal,' and 'Spoonful.'
In the keynote address by the EPA, they announced that there was an epidemic of multiple sclerosis and systemic lupus, and they did not understand what toxin was causing this to be rampant across the United States.
I explained I was there to lecture on exactly that subject. When the temperature of ASPARTAME exceeds 86 degrees F, the wood alcohol in ASPARTAME converts to formaldehyde and then to formic acid, which in turn causes metabolic acidosis. (Formic acid is the poison found in the sting of fire ants.) The methanol toxicity mimics multiple sclerosis; thus, people were being diagnosed with having multiple sclerosis in error. The multiple sclerosis is not a death sentence, whereas methanol toxicity is.
In the case of systemic lupus, we are finding it has become almost as rampant as multiple sclerosis, especially in Diet Coke and Diet Pepsi
drinkers. Also, with methanol toxicity, the victims usually drink three to four 12 oz. cans of them per day, some even more. In the cases of systemic lupus, which is triggered by ASPARTAME, the victim usually does not know that the ASPARTAME is the culprit. The victim continues its use aggravating the lupus to such a degree that sometimes it becomes life threatening.
When we get people off the ASPARTAME, those with
systemic lupus usually become asymptomatic. Unfortunately, we cannot reverse this disease. On the other hand, in the case of those diagnosed
with Multiple Sclerosis, (when in reality, the disease is methanol toxicity), most of the symptoms disappear.
We have seen cases where their vision has returned and even their hearing has returned. This also applies to cases of tinnitus.
During a lecture, I said, "If you are using ASPARTAME[NutraSweet, Equal, Spoonful, etc.] and you suffer from fibromyalgia symptoms,spasms, shooting pains, numbness in your legs, cramps, vertigo,dizziness, headaches, tinnitus, joint pain, depression, anxiety attacks, slurred speech, blurred vision, or memory loss,you probably have ASPARTAME DISEASE!"
People were jumping up during the lecture saying, "I have this.Is it reversible?" It is rampant. Some of the speakers at my lecture were even suffering from these symptoms. In one lecture attended by the Ambassador of Uganda, he told us that their sugar industry is now adding ASPARTAME! He continued by saying that one of the industry leader's son could no longer walk due in part to product usage! We have a very serious
Even a stranger came up to Dr. Espisto,(one of my speakers) and me and said, "Could you tell me why so many people seem to be coming down with MS?"
During a visit to a hospice, a nurse said that six of her friends, who were heavy Diet Coke drinkers, had all been diagnosed with MS. This is
beyond coincidence. Here is the problem. There were Congressional Hearings when ASPARTAME was originally included as a sweetener in 100 different products. Since this initial hearing,
there have been two subsequent hearings, but to no avail. Nothing has been done. The drug and chemical lobbies have very deep pockets. Now there are over 5,000 products containing this chemical, and the PATENT HAS EXPIRED!!!!
At the time of this first hearing, people were going blind. The methanol in the ASPARTAME converts to formaldehyde in the retina of the eye. Formaldehyde is grouped in the same class of
drugs as cyanide and arsenic - DEADLY POISONS!!! Unfortunately, it just takes longer to quietly kill, but it is killing people and causing all kinds of neurological problems.
ASPARTAME changes the brain's chemistry. It is the reason for severe seizures. This drug changes the dopamine level in the brain. Imagine what this drug does to patients suffering from Parkinson's Disease.
This drug also causes birth defects. There is absolutely no reason to take this product. It is NOT A DIET PRODUCT! The Congressional record said, "It makes you crave carbohydrates and will
make you FAT." Dr. Roberts stated that when he got patients off ASPARTAME , their average weight loss was 19 pounds per person.
The formaldehyde stores in the fat cells, particularly in the hips and thighs. ASPARTAME is especially deadly for diabetics. All physicians
know what wood alcohol will do to a diabetic. We find that physicians believe that they have patients with retinopathy, when in fact, it is caused by the ASPARTAME. The ASPARTAME keeps the blood sugar level out of control, causing many patients to go into a coma. Unfortunately, many have died. People were telling us at the conference of the American College of Physicians, that they had relatives that switched from saccharin to an ASPARTAME product and how that relative had eventually gone into a coma. Their
physicians could not get the blood sugar levels under control. Thus, the patients suffered acute memory loss and eventually coma and death. Memory
loss is due the fact that aspartic acid and phenylalanine are neurotoxic without the other amino acids found in protein. Thus it goes past the blood brain barrier and deteriorates the neurons of the brain.
Dr. Russell Blaylock, neurosurgeon, said, "The ingredients stimulates the neurons of the brain to death, causing brain damage of varyingdegrees. Dr. Blaylock has written a book entitled "EXCITOTOXINS:THE TASTE THAT KILLS" Health Press 1-800-643-2665). Dr. H. J. Roberts, diabetic specialist and world expert on ASPARTAME
poisoning, has also written a book entitled "DEFENSE AGAINST ALZHEIMER'S DISEASE" (1-800-814-9800). Dr. Roberts tells how ASPARTAME poisoning is escalating Alzheimer's Disease, and indeed it is.
As the hospice nurse told me, women are being admitted at 30 years of age with Alzheimer's Disease. Dr. Blaylock and Dr. Roberts will
be writing a position paper with some case histories and will post
it on the Internet.
According to the Conference of the American College of Physicians, "We are talking about a plague of neurological diseases caused by this deadly poison." Dr. Roberts realized what was happening when ASPARTAME was first marketed. He said, "His diabetic patients presented
memory loss, confusion, and severe vision loss." At the Conference of the American College of Physicians, doctors admitted that they did not
know. They had wondered why seizures were rampant (the phenylalanine in ASPARTAME breaks down the seizure threshold and depletes serotonin, which causes manic depression, panic attacks,rage and violence). Just before the Conference, I received a fax from Norway,asking for a possible antidote for this poison because they are experiencing so many problems in their country.
This "poison" is now available in 90 PLUS countries worldwide. Fortunately, we had speakers and ambassadors at the Conference from different nations who have pledged their help. We ask that you help too.
Print this article out and warn everyone you know. Take anything that contains ASPARTAME back to the store. Take the "NO ASPARTAME TEST" and send us your case history. I assure you that THE MONSANTO CORPORATION, the creator of ASPARTAME, knows how deadly it is. They fund the American Association, American Dietetic Association Congress, and the Conference of the American
College of Physicians. The New York Times, November 15, 1996, ran an article on how the American Dietetic Association takes money from the food industry to endorse their products. Therefore, they cannot criticize any additives or tell about their link to THE MONSANTO CORPORATION.
How bad is this? We told a mother who had a child on NutraSweet to get off the product. The child was having grand mal seizures every day.
The mother called her physician, who called the ADA, who told the doctor not to take the child off the NutraSweet. We are still trying to convince the mother that the ASPARTAME is causing the seizures. Every time we get someone off of ASPARTAME, the seizures stop. If the baby dies, you know whose fault it is, and what we are up
There are 92 documented symptoms of ASPARTAME poisoning, from coma to death. The majority of them are all neurological, because the ASPARTAME destroys the nervous system.
ASPARTAME poisoning is partially the cause to what is behind some of the mystery of the Desert Storm health problems. The burning tongue and other problems discussed in over 60 cases can be directly related to the consumption of ASPARTAME products. Several thousand pallets of diet drinks were shipped to the Desert Storm troops. (Remember heat can liberate the methanol from the aspartame at 86 degrees F.) Diet drinks sat in the 120 degree F Arabian sun for weeks at a time on pallets. The servicemen and women drank them all day long. All of their symptoms are identical to ASPARTAME poisoning. Dr. Roberts says consuming
ASPARTAME at the time of conception may cause birth defects."
According to Dr. Louis Elsas, Pediatrician and Professor of Genetics,at Emory University, In his testimony before Congress. The phenylalanine concentrates in the placenta, causingmental
retardation. In the original lab tests, animals developed brain tumors, phenylalanine breaks down into DXP, a brain tumor agent.)
When Dr. Espisto was lecturing on ASPARTAME, one physician in the audience, a neurosurgeon, said, "When they remove brain tumors, they have
found high levels of ASPARTAME in them."
Stevia, a sweet food, NOT AN ADDITIVE which helps in the metabolism of sugar, which would be ideal for diabetics, has now been approved as a dietary supplement by the FDA. For years, the FDA
has outlawed this sweet food because of their loyalty to MONSANTO.
If it says "SUGAR FREE" on the label - DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT. Senator Howard Metzenbaum wrote a bill that would have warned all infants, pregnant mothers and children of the dangers of
ASPARTAME. The bill would have also instituted independent studies on the problems existing in the population(seizures, changes in brain chemistry, changes in neurological and behavioral symptoms). It was killed by the powerful drug and chemical lobbies, letting loose the hounds of
disease and death on an unsuspecting public. Since the Conference of the American College of Physicians, we hope to have the help of several world leaders.
Again, please help us, too. There are a lot of people out there who must be warned, please get this information to
Women's Cancer Resource Center,
Laurie Moser, Assistant Director,
1815 East 41st Street, Suite C,
Minneapolis, MN 55407-3425,
1-800-908-8544 or 612-729-049.
The author, Betty Martini, can be reached at
770-242-2599. Jan and Dan Blanchard (250) 474-1868
|Posted on Friday, June 08, 2001 - 7:11 pm: || |
Thank you from the excellent article - important reading from start to finish.
This one adds a few links:
|Posted on Friday, June 15, 2001 - 9:47 am: || |
You can see Betty Martini's correspondence at:
To view her postings, you must register. There is no charge and I never get any junk Email from it. I sent Betty an Email to tell her about Hotero's posting and also mentioned the Reno Excitoxin meeting.
|Posted on Monday, June 18, 2001 - 2:05 pm: || |
Dear No MSG People,
I have posted here anonymously since I found the site in either Feb or March. I have reacted to MSG for many years. I did send the information about my symptoms to the NO MORE MSG ORGANIZATION. MY membership probably has to be renewed.
On about June tah 2001 I went down to a place in Chester NJ for a craft show. Late in the afternoon I started to sneeze and thought it must be an allergy to the fresh air and grass. I live in the Bronx, so not used to real fresh air.
That evening on the way home I ate in a restaurant and had pork. It tasted real salty so I took some magnesium, calcium and zinc. Also COQ-10 which I had been doing very well with. Than since I knew I would have a reaction from the pork I compounded the problem by eating potatoe chips.
By 2:00 early on June 10th I was in the emergency room of the local hospital. They said I had an acute asthsmatic-bronchial attack. I have no history os asthsma.
I was very upset in the hospital when trying to eat something since I know most foods have MSG hidden or not. This will be the very last time I will ever say to myself well I had a little, so I might as well have a bit more MSG. How much worse can I be? Believe me I now know that was a big mistake. I literally lost two weeks from my job and worried my family to death. I believe I posted here that in Oct I also had a difficult time with the hospital food. I was in for ten days and couldn't find anything to eat. I lived on bananas and water.
Now I have an appointment with the lung doctor and want to see if I need an EPI kit for insurance. Be very careful we all get some MSG even when we are watching out.
I do have a copy of Debby's book which was a big help after I left the hospital. It was a big help since I first received it, but this time it was a life saver.
|Posted on Monday, June 18, 2001 - 8:08 pm: || |
amh, please don't beat yourself up about the slip. We have all done the same thing, but you paid dearly this time. You may have gotten some sulfites, too. That exacerbates the reaction to MSG. Oh, what memories you dredged up...know all about bronchial attacks! So frightening and painful. I don't miss the allergy shots I was forced to take for 21 years.( they never really helped and MSG was the main culprit all along) If I get MSG by mistake, I will occasionally feel a little chest pain, but nothing compared to before I made the MSG/sulfite/aspartame connection. Please be careful and take good care of yourself.
|Posted on Saturday, June 23, 2001 - 3:22 pm: || |
I have a question about my symptoms. I seem to have two distinct kinds of reactions. One is physical -- intense headache (migraine) and nausea, weekness, muscle aches. The other is emotional -- unexplainable anxiety, easily irritated, impatience, easily angered, etc. Sometimes I have muscle aches on the impatient days, and I suppose I'm easily irritated on the headache days -- but the headache is the main problem on those days. I am wondering if these reactions are a matter of degree (the migraines ocurring when I ingest more free-glutamates) or if I am reacting differently to different chemicals.
|Posted on Saturday, June 23, 2001 - 7:10 pm: || |
If I get a lot of MSG, I can count on a massive headache for a day or two, and then for a couple days following that, I am depressed, anxious, and agitated. I will have joint pain, too, occasionally. But some days, I will only get a bad headaches that lasts a day. I believe it depends on the amount I ingested. I get a milder headache and stomach distress if I get sulfites by mistake. If I get MSG AND sulfites, well, all the symptoms are there and intensified.
|Posted on Sunday, June 24, 2001 - 5:47 am: || |
Check your heart rate at those times you experience "unexplainable anxiety, easily irritated, impatience, easily angered, etc."
When I and/or my wife have ingested MSG I have noticed my/our heart rates increase. This causes irritability and impatience with each other because one's body cannot return to a relaxed mode. My doctor explained it like your body is running like a race horse (because of the increased heart rate) yet your mind is trying to be at rest. The heart rate ends up winning and the mind responds with the sense of irritability over its lack of control.
It is the MSG that is causing the neurons to send there erroneous signals and thus the heart rate has no correlation to the normal signals the brain should be sending out. This has caused us many sleepless nights during these episodes which only adds to the irritability and thus takes days to get over.
|Posted on Sunday, June 24, 2001 - 8:10 am: || |
Thanks for your responses, Tom and Deb. Although there are certainly normal stresses in life, I have often felt that my anxiety was not related to anything "real". Your explanation, Tom, is very helpful. I am reminded of how, when I was in college, I would ask my boyfriend to hold his hand over my heart, because it felt like there was an anxious tightness there ALL THE TIME. He thought I probably needed counseling. Now I know I was having a chemical response to all the MSG in that dorm food.
My family and I had a fabulous vacation last week. I had planned and prepared all of our food. The kids were delightful and I was relaxed and happy. Toward the end of the week I started to get tired of our food and began to eat a few prepared treats, and so did the kids. I am now feeling depressed and anxious and the kids are much less pleasant to be around. Time to get back on track! But anyway, I am thrilled that we were able to have such a great time on vacation. Last year we ate mostly convenience foods. The kids were a nightmare, I had an emotional "freak out", and we had to come home a day early. Much nicer this time!