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Roy Piwovar
Posted on Saturday, November 25, 2000 - 4:14 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Here's a press release about a company that was caught putting MSG in its product, but not on the label:
Posted on Sunday, November 26, 2000 - 12:05 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I check out every site posted on this board and I appreciate everyone who does so. Thank you. Roy, you are the King of Site-posters. Incredible and thanks.
Deb A.
Posted on Monday, November 27, 2000 - 12:30 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

T.V. interview: Just thought you would enjoy knowing that MSG awareness is definitely growing. The S.O.S. America program (aired by Fox Network) which featured a neurologist who blamed MSG as one of the biggest contributors of Migraine headaches (he is head of a headache clinic in Columbus, Ohio), has generated many inquiries to the NoMSG hotline and also to us. Many people have searched the Net and found our site and some have called and e mailed us with their questions. Most of them had never been told that MSG was a headache trigger by their own doctors. Some didn't know what it was. One person said that after her husband had avoided MSG, using some of the info on our site, he was headache free for the first time in 20 years. He had wanted to die and their life was in turmoil because of his pain. They just ordered the book and are excited to change their entire diet. I heard from one teacher who was not convinced that MSG is causing much of the ADD and ADHD. Most educators tend to put most of the blame on dysfunctional families, abuse, stress, and neglect. While all of those certainly play their part, you don't know how wonderful it is when I get calls from parents who have tried eliminating MSG and other additives from their ADD or ADHD afflicted child's diet, and have gotten their child back again. The parents tell me that they had previously bought into what teachers, doctors and psychologists had told them, and confused, blamed themselves. They are overjoyed and now feel vindicated. This is a sore spot for me...the wholesale writing off of our children by some doctors and educators, unwilling to look at other causes for this epidemic. I think it's a lot easier to blame parents and/or society, and then fill a doctor's prescription for powerful mind altering drugs. There are huge movements by groups(many parents and educators) to encourage the use of these drugs. They are doing this with good intentions, because they know how poorly some of these children who aren't medicated turn out later (leave HS or can't focus on making a life or a living). Also, teaches are justifiably frustrated by their disruptive behavior in the classroom or their inability to learn. But drugs mask serious symptoms, turning our children into zombies, and they risk their health. Since many of these drugs are so powerful, some researchers are claiming that they are becoming gateway drugs to illegal and even more dangerous ones. This may or may not be the case, but I've talked with parents who tell me that they had to take their child in for a liver test every 6 months because the drug they were using could potentionally cause liver damage. Three of my son's friends (age 21 now)who were diagnosed with ADHD or ADD in their youth and who were treated with all the known drugs, are still having problems and of the 3, two are (or once were) into illegal drugs. This is not a rough group of young men. I know their very strong and loving families and I recognize so many of the MSG sensitivity symptoms in their parents, too. Dr. Dr. Arnold Mech, president of NoMSG says that ADD and ADHD and other behavioral problems in our youth are caused by a combination of the large amount of excitotoxins our youth ingest in their junk foods, AND poor parenting. I tend to agree from my own limited firsthand experiences. Felt like venting today!
Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2001 - 4:05 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

In the news today - Here's a small step in the right direction, reminding the public that all kinds of harmful additives can be in something as simple as candy -- in the form of gelatin:

NEW YORK, Jan 30 (Reuters) - New York stores are selling a German-made candy recalled in Poland eight days ago amid fears it contained a beef-based gelatin from cattle infected with brain-wasting mad cow disease, the local distributor said on Tuesday.

The manager of Empire Candy and Tobacco of Brooklyn confirmed a newspaper report that it distributed the imported chewy fruit candy called Mamba to hundreds of stores but added that Mamba maker Storck Co. told him the product was safe.

Now...where have we heard THAT line before?
Gerry Bush
Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2001 - 9:19 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Actually, I can tell you a most disgusting story about gelatin.

When I graduated from college with a chemistry degree many years ago, I went out to find my first job as a chemist. My second interview was with the Knox Gelatin Company in Camden, NJ. I remember it vividly even today. As I was being escorted to the laboratory for the interview, we had to pass by the many large rooms where they stored the ground up animal bones. The smell was horrific! The huge storage rooms were not very clean.
When I asked why they needed ground up animal bones they informed me that this was the source of gelatin! To this day, not a drop of jello or gelatin has passed my lips.....nor would it pass yours if you knew. Mad cow disease indeed!
Roy Piwovar
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2001 - 4:45 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Per today's New York Times, ,
food ingredients aren't always listed on the label. As you may have to register to read the article, I have pasted sections of it below:

April 3, 2001

F.D.A. Finds Faulty Listings of Possible Food Allergens


An investigation of dozens of food companies by the Food and Drug Administration has found that in spite of strict labeling laws, as many as 25 percent of manufacturers failed to list common ingredients that can cause potentially fatal allergic reactions.

The mislabeling poses a threat to the roughly seven million Americans who suffer from food allergies and who rely on a product's packaging to keep them safe, according to the F.D.A.

In recent years, there has been a sharp increase in the amount of food recalled from store shelves for containing allergy- provoking ingredients like peanuts and eggs that were not listed on the product's label. Worried about the trend, the F.D.A. enlisted the support of state regulators in Minnesota and Wisconsin to undertake a series of inspections at food plants over the last two years, trying to grasp the extent of the problem and correct it at the source.

The agency examined 85 companies of all sizes that were likely to use common allergy triggers in abundance: cookie makers, candy companies and ice cream manufacturers. Its report, which was completed earlier this year, found that a quarter of the companies made products with raw ingredients like nuts, but omitted them from the labels describing the food.

Perhaps more surprising, only slightly more than half of the manufacturers checked their products to ensure that all of the ingredients were accurately reflected on the labels, the report said, making it all the more difficult for consumers to know which foods might cause allergic reactions that are often life-threatening.

"The fact that ingredient listings can be dead wrong certainly points to major shortfalls in food safety," said Caroline Smith DeWaal, food safety director at the Center for Science in the Public Interest. "The accuracy of a label can really save a life."

Clear and accurate labels may be the only thing standing between a susceptible consumer and a trip to the hospital.
Carol H
Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2001 - 3:45 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

My IGE test results came back - I can now add wheat to my ever-growing list of allergens. It's really becoming a minefield out there for us. The food companies are just scattering them around for us to stumble on.
Tom Fernstrom
Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2001 - 9:09 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


I'm sorry to hear about your new allergy. :(

Have you been given antibiotics for anything lately? I think I mentioned at one time that I have an aunt and uncle who are Gluten intolerant. In both cases the intolerance came on suddenly after surgeries where they were given large doses of antibiotics to counter "potential" infection.

My theory all along has been that the antibiotics given somehow affected the enzymes needed for proper digestion of these foods. In fact my aunt went through two separate episodes. After the first surgery and antibiotic administration she became Lactose intolerant. It was the second operation that the Gluten intolerance showed up.
Deb A.
Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2001 - 9:09 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Wheat is on the list of no-no's for autistic children and I am wondering about the glutamic acid in gluten. I am also wondering if the rise in Autistic and ADD and ADHD children isn't the result of transmutation due to the effects of MSG and other related toxins in the environment and in their parents' food. I believe we are seeing the generational effects of our food chain gone chemical. So sorry to hear your news, Carol. I suspect I cannot tolerate much wheat...I go easy. A good mixture of flour is found in diets for autistic children. I am in touch with parents all the time, and will post some info on substitute flours when I find it.
Deb A.
Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2001 - 1:51 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Carol, this is from a parent of an autistic child who is also MSG sensitive. She lives in the UK. I know that sulfites are not used as extensively as they are here, so I am not sure about potato starch may have to do some research on that one...same for white rice flour...cornstarch that may be in it?
2 cups white rice flour
1/2 cup potato starch flour (just potato starch in US)
1/2 cup tapioca starch flour (tapioca starch??)

"for every 1 cup of gf flour used add 1 tsp of xanthan gum (please don't say a word about XG - I've seen it listed - I've removed it from all of our diets, but felt no benefits - I don't think we are that sensitive)"
Carol H
Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2001 - 2:26 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks, Tom and Deb. Any help is greatly appreciated. I knew you guys would understand exactly :) I'm not sure which protein I tested positive for the antibody to. It may be gluten, or it may be another protein in the wheat. I'm going to avoid gluten and wheat, just due to my past troubles with everything else. Tom, last year I was given large amounts of antibiotics. Maybe antibiotics' effect on the gut affects everyone, and not simply children with autism. I know gut microorganisms also make butyric acid from fiber. Butyric acid, is a component of GABA. It's all related somehow. I feel like we're finding jigsaw puzzle pieces every day.

An interesting little coincidence. The reference names on the bottom of the diet the nutritionist gave me yesterday for a wheat free diet listed the very same doctor I met at that food trade show in Dallas in 92. He was extremely interested in MSG sensitivity, and approached me after I asked the question that got the discussion moderator all flustered. I'd love to know what he thinks about these connections after all these years.
Deb A.
Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2001 - 3:39 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Just suppose that antibiotics do somehow interfere (or destroy) the body's ability to produce the enzymes needed to metabolize certain proteins....what am I searching for here??? My son, the one who is very sensitive, was plagued with ear infections from the time he was born, and during his first 3 years was constantly on antibiotics. Afterwards, I noticed that he would get awful rashes on his torso and the skin on his toes would peel. It subsided as he got a little older, but he has had the most health problems and food sensitvities. I really don't know what came first for me, but I believe that my bad health caused by MSG forced me to take lots of antibiotics, which, I'm sure, caused other types of problems, too. Since I have avoided MSG, I have had to take antibiotics only once and I used to take them all the time. Is there any hope of a way of reversing the effects of antibiotics....enzyme treatment? Just thinking out loud again!
Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2001 - 4:04 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Deb A.,

Interesting that you bring up enzyme treatment. I have an appointment with my NAET practitioner tomorrow to treat the next allergen on the list, calcium and milk, and we talked about testing for enzymes that I'm missing as well. She's quite sure that enzymes and allergies are interrelated.

There are 2 ways to test for enzyme deficiency, either a 24-hr urine test or muscle testing (kinesiology). She's tried both and finds the muscle testing just as reliable. The most important thing is to get tested, so you know what to supplement,after all, each person's needs are different.

I'll be learning more on this tomorrow and will keep you posted.

I've also been cleared for my allergies to eggs now, that was a biggie for me (they're in so much, too). My RAST test had showed I was highly allergic to them.

This past week I've found I'm not sensitive to leftovers anymore...and my first thrill was to fix some slow-cooked pork barbeque, you know the kind that melts in your reaction!
Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2001 - 4:22 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi everyone....

When I first started getting ill with Rosacea, I went to a clueless doctor that put me on a 7 month course of antibiotics.....non stop daily. By the time the 7 month was up, after I almost stopped breathing on a street corner, I decided I would go to a different doctor. It seems to me, everything got worse medically in my life after that....years of one symptom after another....hives, migraines, body swelling, facial flushing...awful aches and pains...high blood pressure, you name it.

I know we are all suffering when we eat badly, but I also need to be cautious so I don't upset the Rosacea cart, as well.

I believe that Rosacea is just another end of msg poisoning......but I can't get the Mainstream Medical Board to believe me.....go figure???

Could someone explain to me why yeast is so bad.....and how it relates to glutamates. Thank you...

Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2001 - 6:39 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Not only do enzymes play an important role, but digestive flora as well. I just started reading a book, Digestive Wellness by Elizabeth Lipski that I borrowed from my practitioner. This may shed some light on our problems, so I'll try to give a short summary:

First, intestinal flora manufacture many vitamins (Bs, A and K) as well as increase the availability of minerals (calcium, magnesium, etc.). These good intestinal flora make the digestive tract inhospitable for the bad microbes (food poisoning, etc.). They also have other benefits such as inhibit the growth of bacteria, regulate bowel movements, prevent diarrhea, improve nutrient absorption, etc.

She goes on to describe a theory describing an imbalance of the intestinal flora (for example, after antibiotics have killed off the good as well as the bad) that's called "dysbiosis". The theory comes from Dr. Eli Metchnikoff, Nobel Prize winner in 1908, for his work with lactobacilli. He found that lactobacilli from yogurt displaced disease producing organisms and reduced the toxins they generated.

This "dysbiosis" weakens our abitiy to protect ourselves from disease causing microbes, which are generally low-virulence organisms. They can cause chronic problems that can become deep seated. In our culture doctors treat the symtoms, not the underlying cause, and the problem continues.

Dysbiosis is further broken down into 4 catagories and I'll quote the most interesting:
"Sensitization Dysbiosis...occurs when the immune system reacts with abnormal or aggrivated responses to the digestive process. Microbes in the gut and foods produce exotoxins that irritate the gut lining. Our bodies recognize these toxins as foreign substances and produce antibodies to...fight it and are perfect keys that fit into gene markers. These markers make us more susceptable to certain diseases. The unclear [only in people susceptable]...Our body senses that as a systemic problem rather than just some imbalanced microbes in our intestines. It reacts with an all-out antibody reaction, attacking the body itself--an autoimmune reaction. What originated as a local infection becomes an autoimmune illness...People with sensitization dysbiosis often have food intolerences, leaky gut syndrome and increasing sensitivity to foods and the environment....Replacing probiotic bacteria and repair of intestinal mucosa are essential."

The book goes on to discuss Candidasis as the most prevalent and obvious form of dysbiosis, one doctor believes 1/3 of the world's population is affected.

Candida in the gut can produce toxins that are absorbed in the bloodstream and affect our immune system, hormone balance and thought process.
Symptoms of Candida - "abdominal bloating, anxiety, constipation, diarrhea or both, depression, environmental sensitivities, fatigue, feeling worse on damp or muggy days or in moldy places, food sensitivities, fuzzy thinking, insomnia, low blood sugar, mood swings, PMS, recurring vaginal or bladder infections, ringing in the ears, sensitivities to perfume, etc."

I tried the treatment for Candida last fall, it's harsh because the diet precludes alcohol, fruit, sugar, yeast or yeast by-products. The book also says no flour or grains, but I didn't go that far. There are also substances that help to eliminate the Candida while on the diet, but must be introduced slowly to limit the effects of yeast die-off.

I was amazed that I lost 15 lbs. (5 in the 1st week) and had a stomach like I did when I was 20 yrs old (flat as a pancake!) and had no hypoglycemic reactions. But then Christmas came...I will also say I didn't notice any improvement in my sensitivity to MSG, etc.

I'll continue to read the book and report on relevant sections. I'm sure others will find interesting links for more info on these issues.
Roy Piwovar
Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2001 - 8:30 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Per the article linked below, acidophilus supplements can help digestive and other problems.
Evelyn H.
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2001 - 10:03 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The antibiotic link is an interesting one. My son, now 5, was plagued with ear infections from 6 months until about a year or so ago (when he got his second set of tubes). He, too, was on antibiotics for much of his young life. He now shows signs of ADD/ADHD. Not sure if there's a direct link, but it's interesting. For myself, I used to suffer from nearly constant sinus infections and was on antibiotics for much of each winter. A little over two years ago, I was diagnosed with Crohne's Disease. Fortunately, I haven't suffered symptoms since I had my surgery two years ago and for the last six months since I've been working to eliminate MSG, I've been feeling better (no sinus problems, no intestinal problems). I have oftened wondered about the link between antibiotics and Crohnes. Carol's right. It's a big jigsaw puzzle.
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2001 - 6:53 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks for the link on acidophilus, Roy.

I received similar advice from my practitioner today, and purchased a powder (no bad fillers) called Thera-zyme. It's composed of cellulose and various forms of "good" critters for the small intestine that will make it inhospitable for candidas. Thera-zyme was developed and formulated by Dr. Howard Loomis, and I found a web site, but haven't had a chance to review it yet:

My practitioner muscle tested my body to determine how much I should take and 1/4 tsp was indicated for 2 weeks, and then to increase to 1/2 tsp for a month.

She also said that because of my sensitivity, we need to go slowly, and that I wasn't able to tolerate any other enzymes yet.

I also ordered a book she recommended that I'm anxious to read, "Your Body Can Talk", about kinesiology. I know that this muscle testing is definitely a real thing and would love to have a logical way to explain it to others.

She uses kinesiology not only as an indicator to show I'm allergic to something (which I use frequently myself to test something before I eat it), but she can also ask my body questions (ex. how long I need to wait before I can eat what I was treated for). I'm sure this sounds like mumbo-jumbo to many of you, but it is working for me.

I guess its one of those experiences you have to be there for. Imagine that in muscle testing, you're determined to keep your arm extended, stiff and strong, and then in the presence of an allergen in the other hand, it turns into a wet really, absolutely have no control over it.

She also cleared me for minerals, including salt, calcium and milk. Next will be vitamin C, then B and then sugar. She said sugar is usually an important one for most people.
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2001 - 6:47 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hey Connie-
I am undergoing similar treatment. I have candida due to antibiotics, am highly allergic to several food items, and my hormones are completely messed up due to antibiotics, which causes a whole host of problems. I had gone to several doctors who could not come up with a diagnosis yet prescribed antibiotics for me anyway. Luckily, I listened to my instincts and did not take any of them because they would have worsened my situation. Iy drives me crazy how doctors have no idea what is wrong yet still give you a bunch of chemicals to throw into your body without knowing how much they are going to mess you up. I finally went to a herbal nutritionist, a chiropractor who specializes in NAET, and an acupunturist who all came up with the same diagnosis and the same treatment. I have just started the treatment but I am already feeling a little better. this whole eperience and all of the research i've done on my own has really turned me against western medicine. I think antibiotics are at the root of so many health problems and people should only use them as a last resort. Another great book is Say Goodbye to Illness by Dr. Nambudripad, who came up with the NAET technique. It's incredible to me that there are so many effective, noninvasive procedures to deal with illness yet we constantly feed our body chemicals without a second thought.
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2001 - 3:06 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

When you test yourself (kinesiology)where do you
put the substance on your body?
Posted on Sunday, April 08, 2001 - 4:43 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


Sorry for the delay in my response, but to muscle test, do the following:

1) With your LEFT hand, touch your thumb to your baby finger, forming a ring.
2)Grasp the suspected allergen with the LAST 3 fingers of your RIGHT hand, and form a slight hook with your right index finger. The most sensitive part of your hand is your fingertips, so try to have them in contact with it.

3) Now try to break the 'ring' formed by your left thumb and baby finger with your right index finger. If you can, you're allergic to it!

I found it helped to get the hang of it by first testing something I knew I was allergic to. I've also found that it's hard to detect slight allergies, but just getting the big ones helps so much, and its very interesting to try with vitamins and supplements. For example, even though I'm no longer allergic to gelatin caps, I still can't take my Vitamin A caps. My hand actually trembles.

From what I've read, if you're allergic to a particular vitamin, your body has difficulty absorbing it. I think that could be part of the MSG problem, since having an inadequate amount of vitamins or enzymes in our cells would mean we'd have less protection from glutamates.

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