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Deb A.
Posted on Tuesday, November 14, 2000 - 4:14 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Just want to let everyone know that the NoMSG site and bulletin board are up. Don't see any of the old information yet, but they may still have it somewhere. We hope you will continue to visit both boards and help keep the information flowing to everyone who visits the sites.
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Roy Piwovar
Posted on Thursday, November 16, 2000 - 3:53 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, they lost everything. Maybe we should avoid that by periodically copying and pasting this board's contents into a backup file, as I had hoped they had done:

"As you no doubt have noticed, there were problems with the NoMSG web server. These have been resolved, but in the process all of the old information on the discussion board was lost."
Posted on Thursday, November 16, 2000 - 6:40 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

When we should use the NoMSG discussion board versus the msgmyth discussion board?
Posted on Thursday, November 16, 2000 - 10:27 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

oops -- let me restate that right --- When should we use the NoMSG discussion board and when should we use the msgmyth discussion board?
Deb A.
Posted on Thursday, November 16, 2000 - 10:43 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I hope all of my friends who have visited the NoMSG board will drop in on this board whenever you can. I plan to visit both. The more websites we can contribute to, the more we will be able to get the message out to the public. People visiting at either sight for the first time will gain valuable information in addition to possibly making the MSG connection due to someone's particular posting and comments....especially if you have shared your personal story and symptoms on the corresponding topic here. People can relate to certain specific ways of reacting to these toxins when they read what you have gone through. Thank you all for the time you take to share your concern for each other!
Carol H
Posted on Thursday, November 16, 2000 - 3:00 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Although I will check the other site, I think I'll stick to this site for any serious ideas I have. Tom Fernstrom came up with some excellent ideas regarding the liver and it's role in protection from MSG sensitivity, and all the dialogue regarding hypothyroidism, as well as all the postings from people with fibromyalgia and MS. What a tremendous loss. Those of you out there with stories to share, please share them everywhere you can. It really makes a difference.
Gerry Bush
Posted on Thursday, November 16, 2000 - 4:09 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It is indeed a sad loss that all is gone on the NoMSG board. My feeling is that they were irresponsible in handling the server problem. They had a wealth of valuable information available to them thanks to all of us and our interactions. As Roy has said there should have been backups made in this day and age.
As you suggest, Deb A., I will continue to check the NoMSG board for the sole purpose of helping people who may find that site and not this one. After all, we have helped each other many times over and our goal should be to help all who are being exposed to MSG in its many toxic forms. So I would also ask that we all check that site regularly looking to help others with the knowledge we have all gleaned from each other. I, like Carol H., however will reserve all serious discussion for this board.
ps. Is anyone else having trouble with the "Spell Check" feature?
Deb A.
Posted on Thursday, November 16, 2000 - 6:52 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Mike is looking into the spell check problem. He's not sure where it is, but will find it.
We can't understand how they could still have the main format of the site in tact and have lost the archives. Maybe they haven't. Have you talked to anyone at the NoMSG office, Roy?
Judy T
Posted on Sunday, November 19, 2000 - 8:55 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I, too, was most disappointed that all the information from the nomsg site was lost. First, the positive. Without that site, for many months, I would have been absolutely lost. However, I was also disappointed that we were not notified by e-mail that the site was down and that this one had started. For those of us who desperately need the support and felt abandoned...well, my thought was...why, when we registered as a user did I supply my e-mail address. Also, I would have expected to hear about the site being down through the newsletter...why, although the dues are quite minimal, did I pay dues? Now that this is off my chest I feel better but sad to have had these thoughts. How many folks did we lose? Where is my confidence now to return to that site? They say "down for a few days" !!!???*** Days? Gosh, seemed longer to me. This was an unfortunate situation. The loss, like Carol H says, was just immense. Then again, Deb A is right, we gotta help everyone we can. Right now I'm feeling like the jilted party and may check that site but spend my energies here.
Deb S
Posted on Sunday, November 19, 2000 - 9:35 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Here's an idea: Many of us may at this very moment very likely are storing several pages of the NoMSG discussion board on our hard drives -- in our cache and other areas of our hard drive where stuff goes when it is deleted. When you download a web page, a copy goes into your "cache" on your hard drive, where it is stored until you delete it (clear your cache) or it is overwritten after you fill your cache with newer pages. When you delete something, it is still there somewhere on your hard disk, even after you empty your recycle bin. There are computer technicians who are paid to access just such "hidden" data. But the longer we wait and continue to access more web pages, the more the data gets overwritten by new data being accessed, and it becomes harder (and more expensive) to retrieve the old data.

Anyone know any computer geeks who could give us some thoughts on the feasibility of retrieving the data?
Posted on Monday, November 20, 2000 - 11:32 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If a computer expert's help can't be obtained to retrieve the past NoMSG discussion board entries, I can offer some partial assistance.

The good news: It appears my pack-rat behaviors finally paid off! I have WORD transcripts from some of the NoMSG discussion board entries.

The bad news: I copied only certain discussions that were of interest to me, they are in separate WORD documents under new subject headings (versus the heading used at the board), and in most of them, portions of the entries are missing with the author and date omitted.

There are 15 WORD documents covering:
Prescriptions - Medicines & Compounds
Sinus problems
Food ideas
MSG Accumulation
Headaches, rashes, bloating
Upset Stomach
Recovery suggestions
Supplements and medicines to avoid
Citric Acid

Do you have any ideas on how I can easily share these with those who may find them of interest?

Happy Thanksgiving to you all! May it be MSG free.:)
Carol H
Posted on Monday, November 20, 2000 - 3:30 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Deb S

The best place to look for those files, if you have Windows, is to go to Start - Programs - Windows Explorer - and to look for a directory called Windows, in that directory, you will find another directory called Temporary Internet Files. That's where they'll be. Unfortunately, my boyfriend and I are big gamers (Tomb Raider addicts) and often clean out these files regularly to make our games run smoother. I checked, my files are gone. But yours might not be. It's a really good thought, I had completely forgotten about those files.
Roy Piwovar
Posted on Monday, November 20, 2000 - 5:43 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Deb A.,

Sorry, but I have no knowledge of what happened to the NoMSG archives. I had hoped that since they came back once intact when the site first reappeared, they might still exist.

I had called 1-800-BEAT-MSG to find out where the web site went, but the lady who answered said the board didn't know what was going on.

I'm not a NoMSG insider, just a web surfer, and that was the only contact I've ever had with them other than sending in my dues.
Roy Piwovar
Posted on Monday, November 20, 2000 - 5:46 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

p.s. - Sorry again, but I'd cleared out all my temporary internet files just before NoMSG went down (there were thousands!).
Deb S
Posted on Monday, November 20, 2000 - 8:44 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, I think I also cleared my cache, in an attempt to make my computer run faster. I did a search for any files with *nomsg* in the name, and it did find 2 or 3 old versions of the NoMSG home page and 2 of the NoMSG graphic. A couple of pages which could be discussion board threads would only try to open up in my web browser, which then tells me that that page doesn't exist.

However--in seminars for lawyers and legal staff on electronic discovery, we learned that just because a typical user cannot access files, that does not mean they don't exist on your hard drive somewhere. When you delete files, they don't get "erased," they are just moved to different, unused areas of your computer. Where they remain in some retrievable condition for some time.

The possibilites for using this knowledge are endless. Checking up on an unfaithful lover, an ex-employee stealing trade secrets, finding the "smoking gun" document in a lawsuit, etc. Evidence of a slacker employee visiting porn sites on the company's dime. No matter how fastidious you are about deleting a file, it can still be retrieved fairly easily by someone who knows how. Scary, huh?

But these guys charge a lot so it would help if somebody knows somebody who is in the IT field and wouldn't mind showing off his or her stuff for free or just expenses. Just a thought... :)
Carol H
Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 1:42 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


Thank you so much for saving a lot of those postings from the NoMsg site. I just had a chance to go through about half of the email transmissions, and I think you've saved a lot of the most valuable postings. Great work! Things are not as bleak as we thought :)
Roy Piwovar
Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 3:37 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


Another thank you for saving the postings. They are sure to help a lot of people once they are reposted.
Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 3:56 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

MEMorrisNJ: Yippee! There was a spontaneity and sincerity in those postings of information while we were all learning that has helped many, many of us. Thank you.
Tom Fernstrom
Posted on Thursday, November 23, 2000 - 5:49 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


Maybe I missed something. Did you post all the messages you saved or e-mail them to a few individuals?

I went through my old medical directory and discovered a few pieces of information I had saved. I put them all into one word document and forwarded it on to Mike A. to see if he wanted to create a new posting area with them. They are all "disjointed" conversations & info but do contain information that was important to me at the time I saved them. Regretfully I stopped saving them because I was sure the NOMSG site would properly archive them.

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