|Posted on Friday, April 27, 2001 - 1:57 pm: || |
I suffer from reactions from the intake of MSG, as well as Gluten, so I have to check my food very carefully.
In the hidden names of MSG that I have read on a couple of MSG sites, I notice 2 of many items that gave me concern, they are:
Soy sauce, Soy protein insolate & Soy protein concentrate
Question relating to # 1 Soy; is this the same as Soy Milk, Soya Flour and Soy Beans? (I want to drink soy milk, because I'm lactose intolerant and I wanted to make a cake out of Gluten free flour, but this flour mixture contains Soya flour.) In the past I have not done well on Soya milk and I wondered why.
Question relating to # 2, Gelatin; Would this include the gelatin capsule used in herbal supplement and prescription drugs? I have to take quite a few supplements.
I would sure appreciate an answer to those questions, because I'm trying to eliminate everything that's possibly making me sick.
Thanks for this discussion board. I have just recently given up my job as a computer specialist to spend time on investigating what is making me so sick.
|Posted on Friday, April 27, 2001 - 2:56 pm: || |
Relating to question # 1, soy in all its forms is still soy. To find out more regarding soy, you can read the web site linked here:
|Posted on Friday, April 27, 2001 - 3:18 pm: || |
Relating to question #2, gelatin in any form is still gelatin.
One web site that lists gelatin as always containing MSG is this one:
The reason it is listed as such is that gelatin is formed by hydrolysis of amino acids, creating a product with 10% glutamic acid and 6% aspartic acid, per the chart linked here:
Some people have reported that they are better able to tolerate gel-caps if they also take Coenzyme Q-10 supplements every day.
|Posted on Friday, April 27, 2001 - 3:28 pm: || |
Pam, I am allergic to wheat as well as soy and milk. If you are not allergic to rice, a company called Imagine http://www.imaginefoods.com makes Rice Dream rice milk. I use it with wheat free cereal. Stear clear of gelatin if you can. That means capsules. See if you can find a compounding pharmacy that provides prescriptions free of binders and fillers. It is possible to avoid soy and gluten. There are great rice pastas available - http://www.tinkyada.com I love this one best - it cooks up nice and aldente. I have found guar gum from http://beyond-a-century.com, which can be used as a binder in foods instead of gluten. I avoid xanthan gum because it is made from a microorganism. There is also a company called Foods by George in Mahwah NJ that makes wheat-free pastas and breads. The founder of that company was trained at the culinary institute but turned his skills as a baking chef to creating wheat-gluten free baked goods for his wife ten years ago.
|Posted on Friday, April 27, 2001 - 4:05 pm: || |
The above purveyor of wheat-free pastas and breads:
Foods By George
Address: 3 King St
Mahwah, NJ 07430
|Posted on Friday, April 27, 2001 - 7:51 pm: || |
Pam - If you are sensitive to gluten, you may want to read further about Rice Dream at: http://www.gfcfdiet.com/Dairysubstitutes.htm
Perhaps, the amount of gluten is low enough for you to tolerate. Everyone is different.
|Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2001 - 6:34 am: || |
Is guar gum totally free of glutamates?
|Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2001 - 7:29 am: || |
The web site below specifically warns against Rice Dream for those with celiac sprue because it contains gluten (look under "additional"):
|Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2001 - 8:13 am: || |
Oops, my bad. Sorry to mention Rice Dream. I guess I don't have trouble because I am probably just allergic to wheat and not gluten as well.
|Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2001 - 8:17 am: || |
Great link as usual Roy. I'll put a link to that one on my website as well.
|Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2001 - 9:50 am: || |
Pam, in the years that I have been answering inquiries about MSG, I have learned that when people are trying religiously to avoid it and are still feeling sick, more times than not, they are still getting it from supplements that they refuse to give up. The other main culprits are soy products of any kind and dairy and corn products. There are many arguments about the benefits of herbs and vitamin supplements, but there are just as many against them. You have to be the judge. My suggestion to you is to stop taking such supplements for a couple weeks. See how you are feeling. If you still feel you need to take some, be sure to find out exactly what binders and fillers are used. Many contain glutamate..along with the amount in gelcaps. I have even heard from and individual who called the company and someone gave them the list of ingredients, which seemed safe. That person tried the supplement again, got sick again, called the same company and spoke with someone else. This person told her a different story about the binders and fillers, one of which contained glutamate. So just be very cautious about anything you take, please.
|Posted on Sunday, April 29, 2001 - 6:14 am: || |
Thanks for your input and in most cases "answers" to my questions. I had intended to explore this subject in a more in-depth manner today, but I'm not feeling very well this morning.
Hopefully this "episode" will be over by this evening or tomorrow, and I can pursue the subject with a clear head, and lower bloodpressure.
|Posted on Sunday, April 29, 2001 - 8:21 am: || |
How is corn connected with MSG related reactions?
(I understand the soy and diary problems thanks to past postings.)
Has anyone reacted to "Supergrain Pasta" which is "wheat free" and "gluten free"? Its made by the Quinoa Corporation with "a natural blend of corn flours and quinoa flour". Thanks!
|Posted on Sunday, April 29, 2001 - 12:26 pm: || |
See my previous postings on niacin deficiency and corn on the CoQ10 page. This is my theory: If corn, by what it contains (leucine) and what it lacks (tryptophan) interferes with the glucose-to-energy pathway, at the same time that MSG is forcing the body to use up more resources and CoQ10 by exciting the nerve cells while causing the release of insulin, then what you have is a bad situation. Niacin was discovered when it's lack caused the deadly disease pellagra in people who subsisted mostly on corn early in the 20th century. This was an absolute clearcut case of amino acid imbalance causing a disease. It is something that food scientists today forget like it was ancient history.
|Posted on Sunday, April 29, 2001 - 1:20 pm: || |
A couple of years ago when I was looking for answers to my health problems I read a posting from a lady about supplements. It was entitled "Been There Done That". She thought she couldn't get along without supplements and one day she decided not to take any. Lo and behold her health problems went away after she quit all of them. There is a saying that I go by often. "If you always do what you've always done you'll always get what you've always got". That was a quote from a well known nutritionalist,
Doug Kaufman. So you have to go back and back track and change some ways. Everytime I try something new after I totally quit all supplements I have problems. The only thing that I take now is a product called Sweet Wheat. If you go to the internet you can find it. It just makes me feel well. Some people thrive on supplements but not me.
|Posted on Sunday, April 29, 2001 - 2:10 pm: || |
Once, I let my supplements run out because I wasn't sure they were doing anything. I found out that I didn't have any energy without them, and went back to taking them. Everyone's different - you just have to experiment.
I have never tried Sweet Wheat, but for those who would like to, here is their web site:
|Posted on Monday, April 30, 2001 - 7:14 am: || |
Fresh Fields has started making Spelt sourdough bread in their bakeries. Maybe you'll be able to tolerate it.
|Posted on Monday, April 30, 2001 - 8:55 am: || |
I'm back. Not quite healthy, but I'm so hungry, I have to force myself to do enough research on this site to enable me to find MSG, Gluten free and Lactose free foods.
Over the past 2 days, I've been sick with headaches, TMJ (Jaw & ear Pain), brain fog and blood pressure as high as 170/110 (on 2 10 mgs./day).
I also have Fibromylgia & Myofacial Pain Syndrome, scoliosis, asthma and disk disease. There's more, but I won't go into anymore gory details. One of my Doctors summed it all up under the Autoimmune System Disorders. I'm trying to boost my immune system with supplements, hence the gelatin concern.
I'm sick so often, eventhough I've tried to stay Gluten free, that I know something else is playing a big role.
Since I started exploring some of the MSG sites (about 2 weeks ago), I suspect MSG is playing a bigger role possibly than Gluten.
I just took a look in my cupboards that are for the most part, "Gluten Free" and to my dismay, I've found many of those foods contain MSG and hidden sources of same. I felt like crying (and still do..)
I also discovered that on Friday evening, I cooked a meal which included Olives. I just finished reading a message on this forum that indicated Olives could trigger a reaction! I also began eating at least 2 bananas a day this past week, and I just discovered that bananas when eaten with potassium sparing diuretics may be dangerous. Could be why I'm so sick this past few days.
I just can't seem to win, which ever way I turn.
Thank God, I have finally given up my part-time job I tried to hold down for the past 4 years. Now, I just need to get well long enough to pursue the means of staying well.
I'm assuming their is a list of recipes and foods names I can investigate, through links in the message forum.
I know it's my job to read through everything, but I'm feeling too miserable to do that right now.
So, I would appreciate it if someone could point me to the right link.
I think there's a book that I can order.
|Posted on Monday, April 30, 2001 - 9:28 am: || |
If you go to http://www.msgmyth.com/ and scroll down on the left to "To Order Our Book", you will be sent to the order form for Debby Anglesey's cookbook. You'll still have to adapt the recipes to be gluten and lactose free, but at least you'll be avoiding MSG, including its hidden sources.
|Posted on Monday, April 30, 2001 - 11:36 am: || |
Pam--Roy is right. Deb's book is a great place to start. She includes a lot of information that will be useful for you helping avoid MSG in particular and also has tons of great recipes. Don't give up. It's difficult to be on any special diet, but know there are others here who can lend a helping hand.
|Posted on Monday, April 30, 2001 - 12:56 pm: || |
I just ordered the book. I was a bit nervous about ordering over the web, but it's a done deal now.Thanks for the input.
I just got back from the chiropractor and the massage therapist. I'm not in as much pain as I have been all weekend. I was happy to see your messages.
Question on Citric Acid and Carrageenan..
Is Citric Acid in Apples and Apple juice?
Did you know all toothpaste in the grocery stores and health food stores has carrageenan in the ingredients?
I'm down to brushing my teeth with baking soda.
If anyone knows anything different, please let me know.
And yes, there is gluten in Rice Dream milk. I didn't discover that until a few months ago. I don't know of another one to substitute.
|Posted on Monday, April 30, 2001 - 1:28 pm: || |
You mention not using xanthan gum because it is made from a microorganism. Is that a no-no?
I have been buying pkg. bread mixes from El Peto Products. They are good, but they sometimes contain xanthan gum.
Just as a warning to those of you who might also be using the cake mixes;
I made the lemon mix last week and found myself in the bathroom and or doubled up in pain in my stomach and bowels. (not a pretty sight.)I'm not sure if it was from the "flavor" or soya flour or soya milk powder.
I tasted sooo good and then I had to discard it.
When I feel better, I am going to make my bread from scratch with Rice flour, tapioca flour and guar/xanthan gum.
I have an excellent Gluten Free cookbook... "The Gluten - Free Gourmet Cooks Fast & Healthy", by Bette Hagman - Owl Books.
|Posted on Monday, April 30, 2001 - 2:00 pm: || |
Pam--Citric acid is often added to lemon juice, some other juices, jams, jellies, tomato products and other things. My son does well with Muir Glen spaghetti sauce, which lists "naturally derived citric acid" as one of the ingredients. It all depends on your level of sensitivity, I suppose. Carrageenan is added to many things, including toothpaste and whipping creams. My son does OK with Tom's Natural Toothpaste, which has carrageenan added. But, there again, it depends on the level of sensitivity. For myself, I'm able to use commercial toothpastes without problems.
|Posted on Monday, April 30, 2001 - 2:05 pm: || |
I'm more concerned about the aspartame in toothpaste than the carrageenan. I don't know if all toothpastes have hit - you'll have to check the label.
For more on aspartame, click on the address below and scroll down to it under "topics".
|Posted on Monday, April 30, 2001 - 3:01 pm: || |
Pam, your blood pressure concerns me a great deal. I was getting readings very high like that and was extremely sensitive to MSG which raises blood pressure because I had a renal artery blockage. Vasoconstrictive substances like tyramine and MSG probably affect you much more than most people. Have you had a doctor actually do an MRA (MRI of the renal arteries)? Doctors gave me medicines for 16 years and not one ever checked this until last year. The surgeon saved my life - they found an aneurysm next to the blockage, and cured me. My blood pressure is now 120/80, unless I eat something I am allergic to and then it goes down to 100/60. Please get yourself checked for any kind of blockage near your kidney, your symptoms sound so similar to mine. Simply avoiding MSG may not be enough.
|Posted on Tuesday, May 01, 2001 - 4:38 am: || |
Avoiding Excitotoxins...(MSG/Aliases & Aspartame) I live free from FMS. I had extreme fatigue, intestinal/digestive problems, terrible migrains, depression and unbearable soreness and electric shock type pain. The pain comes from the swelling of the ligaments attaching the muscle to the bone, in my case. Where ever the ligaments were involved using that part of my body was almost impossible without terrible pain. Neck, legs, arms, hands, hips, ribs, feet. Walking was almost impossible. I've never had it in my jaw. I wonder how many people are misdiagnoised with arthritis when it is actually an excitotoxin sensititivity?
|Posted on Tuesday, May 01, 2001 - 1:21 pm: || |
Just a thought.... My son was the one who has seizures when he is chemically imbalanced and if if gets hold of msg or aspartame during this time he has seizures. I have found some things that have made a profound difference with him. First, we have him on purified water. I have found an excellent purifier. Made a huge difference. There are so many chemicals that come through the water no matter where you live. We live in the country and the ground has been saturated for with pestisides and fertilizers. Needless to say they are in our water. We also have large amounts of arsenic in the water. The number one problem for our son is the chlorine in the water. Since eliminating this in drinking water and getting the shower head to eliminate it from the skin, he has done great. The other thing I have done is eliminate sugar, white flour(white four is heavily treated with chemicals),and added fresh vegetable juices done at home, especially cilantro, because cilantro is a sulpher that the body recognizes and it attaches to foreign chemicals and discards them through the liver. We have seen incredible results. As I am reading through this web site, I can't help but wonder how many of you have metals and chemicals in your blood...I had my son's blood analyzed through a fairly new technique. The doctor who did this is a naturopath and we have had it done twice now. He takes a prick in the finger and get a drop of blood, puts it on a slide and puts it under a microscope. There is a t.v. screen that we watched the results. It was amazing!! The first time we had his done it was so unhealthy. His blood cells were stacked together like pancakes and he was full of aluminum and copper. He was also too acidic, which creates disease and sensitivies. We added the cilantro, juicing of spinach, celery, carrots...avoid preservatives and do a 7 grain combination(grinding fresh), eat fruits, veggies and a little chicken and fish. We have been doing this for about 1 1/2 months and had the test redone and it was a 100% better!! His cells were normal and there was very little metal left. He has not had a seizure since. I have spent hours researching this and am attending every seminar I can and I know that many problems can be helped if we take in the right foods that build the body. I am certainly not saying that it is the answer for everyone one, but it has changed our lives dramatically. I love this time of year when we can grow a garden and live off our own fruits and veggies. I freeze and preserve everything I can. I have really enjoyed this site and have learned much. By the way, the aluminum and copper in his blood has come through white flour(it is treated many times with aluminum and copper by products), and the water. If you are coloring your hair, the solution that they put on to keep the color is an aluminum and copper product. We also switched to Real salt. It is a natural salt and does not have aluminum in it. Also check your baking powders. Anyway, just a thought....and something else to worry about..As if we don't have enough!!!!But somehow it seems to be all connected and that is what I am researching to find out!!
|Posted on Tuesday, May 01, 2001 - 3:09 pm: || |
I also have found a reverse osmosis water purifier is good for me and we bought the best we could find. I use Real salt and I'm very sensitive to metals. I don't wear jewelry and I had all of the metals taken from my teeth. I wish I could have my own garden. Sounds wonderful. You are really on top of things and are well informed. Interesting about the Naturopath and I enjoyed reading your very informative post.
|Posted on Tuesday, May 01, 2001 - 5:36 pm: || |
I've been very interested in water purifiers myself. Ever since the energy crunch hit here, the people at the water plant decided to shut down the ultra violet machine they use to clean the water, and instead now add more chlorine. I was not aware of this at first, but noticed that I didn't feel as good and it coincided with the exact time they did this. I know I react to much chlorine or chloride. Does anyone want to share the brand name of the purifier that they purchased and like?
|Posted on Tuesday, May 01, 2001 - 8:50 pm: || |
My water system is http://www.ecowater.com/.
|Posted on Wednesday, May 02, 2001 - 6:14 am: || |
Thanks for the tip on MRI.
I don't think this has been checked. I'm contacting my Dr. today to ask about this.
My BP is a bit lower today, and I feel somewhat human again.
I eliminated my food intake to plain boiled water instead of tea. Rice flour & Guar gum fried with a little olive oil served with my home made jam (with sugar only). I know sugar is not the best thing, but it is the lesser of evils at this point.
For the other meals, they consist of local farm grown vegs. and fish.
I'm determined to stick with this for a few more days, to see if I can make a discovery.
I've cut out all supplements except Bovine Colostrum (from New Zealand, they claim to be sterile against disease) which I have been taking for over a month. It's supposed to boost my immune system.
The Colostrum has helped me fight against Candida Albicans, the flu etc. It is broad Spectrum.
I have found a difference in my energy levels as well while I have been taking this, except when I have a flare-up or "episode". Even though I'm Lactose intolerant, I can tolerate the Colostrum. I was taking it in the gelatin capsule, but stopped doing that since last week. Now I empty out the capsule.
Come to think of it, I was getting a full dose of MSG in those capsules twice a day...
|Posted on Wednesday, May 02, 2001 - 6:18 am: || |
Can anyone give me advice on what type of flavouring to buy? Is their a safe flavour?
I want to make a cake.
|Posted on Wednesday, May 02, 2001 - 11:09 am: || |
What would be a really good investment for you, if you don't already have it, is Deb's cookbook. I have made her magic chocolate cake so many times these last few weeks....it has become a staple in our house. We eat it without icing, but with vanilla ice cream....it is delicious!!!
She has a ton of recipes for cakes and other goodies...You really don't need any flavourings.
|Posted on Wednesday, May 02, 2001 - 12:46 pm: || |
Thanks for the suggestion DJ, I ordered it yesterday via the Internet. I live in Canada, so it will take a while to clear customs.
Does it say anything about what flavours are true flavours, Or free of MSG?
Wouldn't vanilla ice-cream contain Carrageenan and artificial flavour (vanilla)?
By the way, for those of you who would like to know more about food additives, "hard to Swallow - The Truth about Additives" Alive Books, is quite informative.
|Posted on Thursday, May 03, 2001 - 12:47 am: || |
I buy Hagen Daz vanilla....that and a little bit of Bryer's vanilla is the only ice cream that does not bother me that much. Deb's book has simple recipes...that is why I like it so much. I substitute pure maple syrup for the vanilla extract (which I can't have)in the Magic cake, and you can't even notice the difference. Good luck.... DJ
|Posted on Thursday, May 03, 2001 - 5:40 am: || |
If you can tolerate milk, it's better to make your own ice cream-recipe in Debby's book, or probably somewhere on this board. Do a word search for "ice cream" maybe. There really is no safe ice cream. Some people can tolerate a little bit.
|Posted on Saturday, June 30, 2001 - 11:44 am: || |
Pam M and others: You mentioned you were taking bovine colostrum. Has it helped? I have an autoimmune disease and am always in search of ways to enhance my system. Just curious. If you, or any one out there is taking, or has taken bovine colostrum would you tell me how it went for you? Thank you.
|Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2001 - 4:49 am: || |
I am sensitive to MSG and Gluten and have contributed to this forum before. I been a bit slack this summer with visitors and all.
I have been having a reaction to something I've been eating lately, the symptom is chronic fatigue. Only lasts a day, but must take to my bed.
The only thing different that I've tried are as follows:
I tried making a recipe for peanut sauce.
Anyone got any ideas about this?
I did a search of the forum and my notes, but couldn't find anything.
|Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2001 - 4:59 am: || |
Sorry for not getting back to you sooner, but I wanted to be sure about the results of Bovine Colostrum.
I have found it to be very good! It has boosted my immune system and I haven't had a bad flu, bronchitis, pneumonia or asthma since taking it. I started Jan or Feb, of 2001.(have to check my notes for exact date)
The best one for me is the Professional Series, Broad Spectrum by Pro Symbiotics.
It's the best thing I've ever added to my diet.
It's very expensive, $48.99 Canadian.
|Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2001 - 11:23 am: || |
Pam--Did the vanilla extract have corn syrup in it? Most of the vanilla extracts labelled as "pure" vanilla include corn syrup. It took a lot of searching for me to find a brand that didn't. Peanuts are sometimes sprayed with sulfites. Don't have any experience with coconut milk.
|Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2001 - 11:40 am: || |
Evelyn H -- what brand of vanilla extract do you use? Sometimes I just use whole vanilla bean but I'm never sure how much to use in recipes. I make vanilla yogurt a lot for my kids and I never feel good about tossing that alcohol-reeking vanilla into my nice pure yogurt.
|Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2001 - 11:58 am: || |
Evelyn and Carole
The Vanilla reads like this:
Club House brand
Pure Vanilla Extract
Ing:Water, Alcohol, sugar,vanilla bean extractives.
Sounds like I should throw this out? If so what should I be looking for?
|Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2001 - 12:46 pm: || |
PMaddigan: Thanks for the columstrum response.
|Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2001 - 1:30 pm: || |
Someone gave me a can of coconut milk to bring back from England, for my daughter to try. She gets terrible stomach aches from dairy. It is pretty thick-has stablizers. Certainly doesn't look like coconut milk straight from the coconut, which is very watery. Yours may have had added ingredients. I have found organic vanilla extract in my local Whole Foods Market. I ran out so I'll check the ingredients when I go shopping there later.
|Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2001 - 2:50 pm: || |
Could be the peanuts. They can be a migraine trigger for some people.
|Posted on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 10:18 am: || |
I think I use a brand called Flavorganics (I think that's the name anyway, I'm at work and can't check). We use a lot of it in baking. I hadn't thought about using the beans themselves. The kind I buy is basically vanilla extract and alcohol. I don't think there are other ingredients. I bought at my local health food store.
|Posted on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 1:20 pm: || |
Whole Foods has organic vanilla extract made with organic alcohol. They have one other bottle that says organic too, but the label lists the alcohol as not being organic. They did have vanilla beans.
|Posted on Saturday, August 18, 2001 - 5:07 pm: || |
Trader Joe sells vanilla extract without alcohol. I get migraines from all alcohol but have never had a problem this this flavoring.
|Posted on Saturday, August 18, 2001 - 5:13 pm: || |
Thanks, Hoteru. I will give that a try!