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Jonno6766
Posted on Tuesday, January 01, 2002 - 7:50 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have MCS, FMS and CFS. Of all but one of the symptoms you have listed. As their is about 75,000 chemicals that are currently being used and less than 10 of them are MSG then I suggest that you start accepting the fact that you need to raise your scope to many chemicals.

I currently react to Number 318 that is used in some french fries oil for chips. This causes neuro pain in the left thigh that may be related to leaky bowel syndrome theat releases toxins into the muscles below the bowel. I discovered this is used in some McDonalds but I haven't eaten their for about a year.

Your site looks good and easy to navigate. The only problem is finding how to register. It would be good to make this aspect of your site more user friendly.
Deb A.
Posted on Tuesday, January 01, 2002 - 9:25 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do you mean it is difficult to get into our discussion board, since there is no need to register anywhere??? We are grateful for any suggestions to make it easier for visitors to participate. Thanks.
As for all the other chemicals out there, we do not have the time to take on more than excitotoxins at this time. We want to focus on excitatory neurotransmitters. For the majority of us here, the elimination of MSG, aspartame, and L-cysteine has caused dramatic changes in our health, and we believe that due to the huge amount of these substances being used in likely 90% of our processed foods, it is what is causing untold distress for a large percentage of the population. Granted, other chemicals are causing havoc with our systems, but for the most part, I for one, have become more able to tolerate certain additives and chemicals that could put me in bed before, including those in some perfumes and cosmetics. I would love to take on the fight for the elimination of all chemicals in foods and even fluoride in water, but focussing in on MSG is very important fo all of us right now. I cannot touch restaurant fries whether it is 318 or MSG. I react to the MSG that is added to the plain salt used on most of them and also to the sulfites used at the processing plant to keep them fresher and whiter( I do cover sulfites and phosphates in the book). We have heard from hundreds of people who thought their ailments were caused by this or that chemical or food for years, only to eventually discover that MSG was the main culprit. I'm not in any way trying to diminish the fact that certain people will react violently to certain chemicals. I am saying that at this site, we choose to focus on excitotoxins. You are welcomed to suggest links about other chemicals under a good topic here for anyone to research and discuss. There are over 100 aliases or labels for substances that contain MSG that mislead the public into thinking a product is MSG free. And MSG is added to most every bagged, bottled, boxed, frozen, or canned processed food. By eating fresh foods (especially organic) and avoiding processed items, most restaurant foods, or fast foods, we are also avoiding many other chemicals. I think we both would agree we are working towards the same goal...better health. Have you done a keyword search on FMS? We hear from many who are symptom free now that they know how to eliminate hidden MSG (yes, it is even in toothpaste and vitamins and often the meds people take). Recent TV shows in Florida and Washington featured a doctor and his FMS patients who were "cured" when they eliminated MSG and Aspartame. A clinical pharmacist has submitted a research paper about the MSG/FMS connection...he hundreds of medical records or FMS diagnosed patients who are now well, with symptoms only reoccurring when they get MSG by mistake. I had all the symptoms of FMS and CFS for years before I made the connection. But then it took time to learn how MSG is hidden in everything...no easy task, but well worth the education and effort.
Carol H
Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 3:35 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jonno6766, Have you seen Trade Secrets the show Bill Moyers did on PBS? Excellent program. He covered many of your points. I am a civil engineer. I often fret over what is in the water, so I work on that during the day. After work, though, I fret about MSG. I used to be a food process engineer, but quit because of what I learned about the food industry feeding us toxic additives. Debby is right, we can make a huge difference by starting to eliminate excitotoxins in our food. You see, the problems are these: 1. We have tested so many things for their carcinogenicity, but we have not even begun to look at neurotoxins 2.You can choose to put a filter on your water faucet, and move to breathe country fresh air, but who can protect you from a poison in your food?
Carol H
Posted on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 7:28 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I thought of a magazine that actually would be brave enough to print this whole story about MSG. Harpers. They consistently print what most magazines are too timid to print. The February issue had an incredible article about genetic engineering. It was the best one I've seen to date and explains well what the real dangers are. They would print the truth about MSG. I know they would. Send letters to Harper's Magazine, 666 Broadway, New York, NY 10012 or at letters@harpers.org Perhaps you could read the article from February and reference it in the letter and mention that you would also like to see a story about MSG and aspartame and how they are mistakenly perceived as safe due to millions of PR dollars spent by industry.
Deb A.
Posted on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 2:35 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Great thinking, Carol, as always. When I catch a breath, I will do that. Please, people, we need more numbers of you to follow through on these media opportunities....that's all the ammo we have most of the time, that will reach more people. It really does make a difference if more than one or two of us write or e mail the same magazine. We are all in this together and equal in our ability to make something happen...but it will happen faster if we do it in numbers! Thanks....end of lecture..Ha Ha!
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Posted on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 3:07 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jonno 6766,
This is interesting....
I would like to ask how you found out your are allergic to Number 318? Not sure what is also?
It almost sounds like you found a needle in a haystack so to speak.
Did you have a doctors help?
The reason I ask is it sounds somehow or somewhere you found out the answer which is good.
It may help us others on this site.
Thanks
Anonymous
Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 12:05 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Done...hoping for a reply from Harpers.
Carol H
Posted on Monday, April 29, 2002 - 3:34 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Just met the head of the NJ Sierra Club. The Sierra Club is interested lately in bioengineered crops. I mentioned Auxigro to them and also expressed interest in getting involved. The Sierra Club is very organized and it may help us to become involved in our local chapters.
Carol H
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On a lighter note - I was just sitting here laughing really hard. I was watching the Food Network. Good Eats was on. I love this show. It is a great way to understand a lot of complicated food science ideas. You could get a heck of an education in food science just by watching this show. I paid an awful lot of money to learn at college what Alton Brown tells you for the cost of a cable TV subscription. He's really really funny, and he's right on target.
Carol H
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Just got this info from celiac.com. It explains about some new bills in Congress in the US and how to get in touch with your representatives. These are bills regarding food allergens. Although MSG is not considered an allergen itself, it does impact severity of immune response, and persons who cannot eat gluten are vulnerable to the the use of MSG due to the fact that MSG can be made from gluten containing substances. Many celiacs also report MSG sensitivity. If you write, let them know that MSG causes reactions in certain individuals as does gluten, sulfites, and allergens. Also remind them that MSG is made most often from wheat, corn, and soy, three of the top allergens, thus it may put many of those individuals with a life-threatening allergy in danger. Therefore it should be included in any legislation about allergens.

Here is the text of the link (I couldn't get the link to work):

"Food Allergen Consumer Protection Act - Time to Get Involved!

Celiac.com 06/02/2002 Prepared by Laura Yick - There are currently two bills in congress regarding food labeling that affect people with celiac disease. Both HR 1356 and HR 4704 were introduced by Representative Nita M. Lowey (D-NY) in the House of Representatives. S 2499 is the same as HR 4704 and was introduced by Senator Edward M. Kennedy (D-MA) in the Senate. It appears that HR 1356 is somewhat conflicting with HR 4704 and is a weaker version with less detail. HR 4704/S 2499 bill looks to be more beneficial for us (we all know the frustrations of having to verify the gluten status of foods, even if they are labeled gluten-free!), as it contains a section that deals with cross-contamination (see p.9 lines 13-25, p.10, and p.11 lines 1-2). HR 4704/S 2499 is under the control of the Secretary of Health and Human Services, however, the enforcement of cross-contamination labeling is not clear. You can compare them for yourself by going to the US Congress websites listed below. Here is a summary of each bill and a listing of the committee and subcommittee members who have control over the fate of the bills:

House Bill H.R.1356

Sponsor: Rep Lowey, Nita M.(introduced 4/3/2001)
Title: To amend the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act to require that foods containing spices, flavoring, or coloring derived from meat, poultry, other animal products (including insects), or known allergens bear labeling stating that fact and their names.

SUMMARY AS OF: 4/3/2001--Introduced.
Food Ingredient Right to Know Act
Amends the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act to provide that a food shall be deemed to be misbranded if it contains any spice, flavoring, or coloring derived from meat, poultry, any other animal product (including insects), or a known food allergen unless its labeling bears a statement with appropriate prominence on the information panel providing that fact and the name of the meat, poultry, other animal product, or known food allergen.

STATUS:
4/3/2001: Referred to the House Committee on Energy and Commerce (see below for list of committee members).
4/25/2001: Referred to the Subcommittee on Health (see below for list of subcommittee members).
07/29/2002: The food Allergen Bill S.2499 has been rescheduled for discussion after the August recess.


House Bill H.R.4704

Sponsor: Rep Lowey, Nita M.(introduced 5/9/2002)
Title: To amend the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act to establish labeling requirements regarding allergenic substances in food, and for other purposes.

STATUS: (color indicates Senate actions)
5/9/2002: Referred to the House Committee on Energy and Commerce.
5/17/2002: Referred to the Subcommittee on Health.

Senate Bill S.2499

Sponsor: Sen. Kennedy, Edward M.(introduced 5/9/2002)
Title: A Bill to amend the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act to establish labeling requirements regarding allergenic substances in food, and for other purposes.
STATUS:
5/9/2002: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions.

The current laws of the United States can be found at:
http://law2.house.gov/download.htm

Note that HR 4704 and S 2499 have exactly the same wording except for the sponsors. Bills in committees or subcommittees have three fates: (1) Tabled (i.e., they are essentially postponed, possibly forever), (2) Releasing it for a full House or Senate vote with a recommendation to pass it, (3) Revised and then released as in (2). Bills in committees also may be referred to subcommittees within the committee. It is possible that the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions may refer S 2499 to the Subcommittee on Public Health. The bill needs to pass with a simple majority (218 of 435 in the House, 26 of 50 in the Senate). The bill then goes to the other congressional body where the process begins again. Once both the House and Senate pass the bill, any differences between the House version and Senate version must be worked out by a conference committee of both House and Senate members. Then the bill must finally be approved by both the House and Senate. Because HR 4704 and S 2499 are concurrent, the entire process may be faster than if only one body of Congress were working on it. Finally, the President needs to approve it; otherwise, the bill goes back to the House and Senate and must pass by a 2/3 majority in both.

If your representative or senator is listed below on a committee and/or subcommittee that is reviewing a bill, it is important that you request them to speed the committee recommendation of the bill to the full House or Senate vote and to ensure that it is not weakened. If your representative or senator is not on one of the committees or subcommittees, you could still urge them to support the speedy passage of the bills. Speedy passage is essential because there is a clause that gives a four year grace period.

Politically, it may be especially effective for you to write your congress people regarding these bills if they are up for re-election, or if they are seeking higher office in an upcoming election, but any e-mail to your representatives will be helpful. To see who your representative is:
http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW.html
To write your representative:
http://www.house.gov/writerep/
To see who your senators are:
http://www.senate.gov/senators/senator_by_state.cfm
To write your senators:
http://www.senate.gov/contacting/index.cfm


Tips from the GIG on writing your letters or e-mails:

Address the Congressman as Honorable.
Keep the letter to one page.
Stay on the message - The passage of Representative Lowey and Senator Kennedy Bill, the Food Allergen Consumer Protection Act is important to the health and safety of thousands of persons suffering from allergies and intolerances.
Use the language used in the Bill ...gluten and allergens, not celiac disease.
Tell them what you want -- for them to support passage of this Bill.
Sharing a bad experience and how passage of this bill would have made a difference can be helpful...but keep it brief.
Remind them you follow their votes and that you appreciate their support.
Sign your name, provide your full address, and phone number.
The names of Subcommittee and Committee Members who control the fate of these bills. We can make a difference with our letters and e-mail to them:

The current House Committee on Energy and Commerce:
W. J. "Billy" Tauzin, Chairman
Michael Bilirakis, Florida
Joe Barton, Texas
Fred Upton, Michigan
Cliff Stearns, Florida
Paul E. Gillmor, Ohio
James C. Greenwood, Pennsylvania
Christopher Cox, California
Nathan Deal, Georgia
Richard Burr, North Carolina, Vice Chairman
Ed Whitfield, Kentucky
Greg Ganske, Iowa
Charlie Norwood, Georgia
Barbara Cubin, Wyoming
John Shimkus, Illinois
Heather Wilson, New Mexico
John B. Shadegg, Arizona
Charles "Chip" Pickering, Mississippi
Vito Fossella, New York
Roy Blunt, Missouri
Thomas Davis, Virginia
Ed Bryant, Tennessee
Robert Ehrlich, Maryland
Steve Buyer, Indiana
George Radanovich, California
Charles F. Bass, New Hampshire
Joseph Pitts, Pennsylvania
Mary Bono, California
Greg Walden, Oregon
Lee Terry, Nebraska
Ernie Fletcher, Kentucky
John D. Dingell, Michigan, Ranking Member
Henry A. Waxman, California
Edward J. Markey, Massachusetts
Ralph M. Hall, Texas
Rick Boucher, Virginia
Edolphus Towns, New York
Frank Pallone Jr., New Jersey
Sherrod Brown, Ohio
Bart Gordon, Tennessee
Peter Deutsch, Florida
Bobby L. Rush, Illinois
Anna G. Eshoo, California
Bart Stupak, Michigan
Eliot L. Engel, New York
Tom Sawyer, Ohio
Albert R. Wynn, Maryland
Gene Green, Texas
Karen McCarthy, Missouri
Ted Strickland, Ohio
Diana DeGette, Colorado
Tom Barrett, Wisconsin
Bill Luther, Minnesota
Lois Capps, California
Mike Doyle, Pennsylvania
Chris John, Louisiana
Jane Harman, California

House Committee on Energy and Commerce Subcommittee on Health:
Michael Bilirakis, Florida, Chairman
Joe Barton, Texas
Fred Upton, Michigan
James C. Greenwood, Pennsylvania
Nathan Deal, Georgia
Richard Burr, North Carolina
Ed Whitfield, Kentucky
Greg Ganske, Iowa
Charlie Norwood, Georgia, Vice Chairman
Barbara Cubin, Wyoming
Heather Wilson, New Mexico
John B. Shadegg, Arizona
Charles W. "Chip" Pickering, Mississippi
Ed Bryant, Tennessee
Robert L. Ehrlich, Jr., Maryland
Steve Buyer, Indiana
Joseph R. Pitts, Pennsylvania
W.J. "Billy" Tauzin, Louisiana
Sherrod Brown, Ohio, Ranking Member
Henry A. Waxman, California
Ted Strickland, Ohio
Tom Barrett, Wisconsin
Lois Capps, California
Ralph M. Hall, Texas
Edolphus Towns, New York
Frank Pallone, Jr., New Jersey
Peter Deutsch, Florida
Anna G. Eshoo, California
Bart Stupak, Michigan
Eliot L. Engel, New York
Albert R. Wynn, Maryland
Gene Green, Texas
John D. Dingell, Michigan

Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions:
Edward M. Kennedy, MA, Chairman
Christopher Dodd, CT
Tom Harkin, IA
Barbara Mikulski, MD
James Jeffords, VT
Jeff Bingaman, NM
Paul Wellstone, MN
Patty Murray, WA
Jack Reed, RI
John Edwards, NC
Hillary Clinton, NY
Judd Gregg, NH, Ranking Member
Bill Frist, TN
Mike Enzi, WY
Tim Hutchinson, AR
John Warner, VA
Christopher Bond, MO
Pat Roberts, KS
Susan Collins, ME
Jeff Sessions, AL
Mike DeWine, OH

Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Subcommittee on Public Health:
Edward M. Kennedy, MA, Chairman
Tom Harkin, IA
Barbara Mikulski, MD
James Jeffords, VT
Jeff Bingaman, NM
Paul Wellstone, MN
Jack Reed, RI
John Edwards, NC
Hillary Clinton, NY
Judd Gregg, NH,
Bill Frist, TN
Michael Enzi, WY
Tim Hutchinson, AR
Christopher Bond, MO
Pat Roberts, KS
Susan Collins, ME
Jeff Sessions, AL
"
Judy T
Posted on Monday, September 02, 2002 - 2:02 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Carol H: I gotta absorb all you say but will do what I can; bet all of us will.
Carol H
Posted on Saturday, November 16, 2002 - 9:06 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

In other news: I just recently joined the board of trustees for two different environmental organizations and also volunteer for the Sierra Club and my local parks. This is in addition to my day job, where I often interact with mayors, councilmen and environmentalists, all in the same night. This is taking me into the political arena - which is good. I am meeting Department of Environmental Protection commissioners and real hard-core environmental activists who can teach us quite a bit. I will share what I learn there, and also try to spread the word.

More ideas:
1) Our local Whole Foods store often caters the fundraising events that the environmentalists in Northern NJ sponsor. Perhaps we could get them to sponsor information awareness events for us too?

2) Also, my town has night classes for adults - in all types of things. Many towns across the US do this. These classes are advertised in the adult school pamplets that reach everyone in town. Perhaps we could try to teach cooking classes highlighting some of Deb A's techniques for cooking MSG-free and also gluten free recipes for people with food allergies or celiac sprue. Often Celiac Sprue patients must avoid MSG too since it is often made from wheat, and they also have food allergies. Perhaps we could get help from the local doctor or dietician regarding proper food allergen avoidance. Cooking classes are often popular for adult night classes.

3)Whole Foods also offers night events and cooking demonstrations too. Perhaps we could do some of these in different places. They advertise these events on a board as people are leaving the store - everyone who shops there sees it.

4)Environmental organizations also have workshops, where they bring together people of similar interests and have forum on a particular topic. Perhaps we could volunteer to do this as well. The Sierra Club and other organizations are now becoming increasingly concerned about genetically engineered foods, we could bring up the Auxigro issue and discuss that as that will be possibly contaminating our water with an endocrine disruptor - glutamic acid.

Grass roots activism - you can try this at home.
Sharon S.
Posted on Monday, February 14, 2005 - 9:04 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Deb A., Is there a place to suggest links that members find helpful in their search for better health? I already mentioned to you in a private email about the other two that are my basics for healthier living and I would love to share them here for those looking for a few more 'details' or just another look into sites that have done A LOT of research based on their specific 'soap boxes'. I'm also trying to see how I can ask the same of www.feingold.org to get more info out on the MSG issue...they have very detailed food lists that avoid specific items and mark others as having corn syrup, msg, and other items that some people need to avoid while others might be ok with. They even strongly suggest staying away from BHT, BHA and TBHQ and they aren't labeled on some food items (ie bread) because it is 'just in the nonstick spray on the pan'. These petroleum based preservatives (antioxidants - albeit very unnatural) are banned in Europe, but the US still uses it and it creates a TON of havoc on our systems. Anyway, I think I might have already said more than I should have as the focus here is MSG ;-) Since I have already been long winded I will just quickly add my next favorite site www.westonaprice.org I hope it helps others find the minute details they are looking for.
Deb A.
Posted on Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - 10:15 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sharon, you can click on "topics" at the left and post as many links there under the 9th topic down, I believe. It starts with "other harmful substances", or something like that. I avoid BHT and BHA, too. A wonderful reference book about additives is Ruth Winter's food additive book. Beatice Trum Hunter has one, too. I appreciate your input.
Anonymous
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Agnus castus can help to regulate a cycle. As you have only been off the Pill for five months, improve sperm it is still early days. In general, taking the Pill does not seem to reduce fertility and 90 per cent of previously fertile women who stop using the Pill have a baby within 30 months. This is only two months longer than the average figures for women who had previously used the diaphragm or coil, and is thought to reflect that fact that many women stop the Pill two to three months before trying to conceive a child so the hormones are out of their system.
Carol H
Posted on Saturday, June 03, 2006 - 7:19 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Huh?
Anon
Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 6:38 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Has anyone discussed Mastocytosis ?
Roy Piwovar
Posted on Wednesday, June 21, 2006 - 6:32 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Mastocytosis is a rare disease involving excess pigmentation, but which has other complications:

http://www.aocd.org/skin/dermatologic_diseases/mastocytosis.html
Anon
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Oh, and see tmsforacure.org
Carol H
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The thing about mastocytosis and MSG reactions is that the MSG sellers go on at great length about how there is no "true allergy" to MSG. However, no "true" allergy is necessary to cause the dangerous histamine increase seen in mastocytosis either. However, the folks that wind up having histamine overload land them in the ER don't really care whether it was a "true" allergy or just a histamine reaction from either mastocytosis or MSG that brought them there, they just want to live through it.
A non
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You missed the point. Did anyone consider they have not mastocytosis but mast cell activation disorder and that those suggestions for treatment might be applicable to some one somewhere onthis board. This is not histamine. You're focusing inward it appears
Carol H
Posted on Monday, June 26, 2006 - 7:15 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

MY point is that mastocytosis is considered a real disease by real doctors. MSG reactions are not. But they have something in common - excess histamine release. In mastocytosis patients histamine release is considered dangerous, but in MSG sensitive patients they are told its all in their imagination.
We already use antihistamines like Benadryl for MSG reactions and they work, so if that is the treatment, we're already on it.

So, what point did I miss? So how is histamine not involved when glutamic acid increases it? Be more clear.
LisaMarie
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I'm so thankful you are back! I missed coming here daily and reading and sharing information. Thanks for all your hard work and for keeping the board going!
Carol H
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Yay!!! We're back. Thanks Deb. They can't keep us down long..
Deb A.
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Got that right, Carol! :-)
Pam E
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Hooray, you're back!! I hope the new people looking for information will come back. I'm sure that if they looked at all the information on the web site and are looking for answers, they will be back! Thank you Deb and Mike for all your hard work!! You both are a Blessing!
Pam E.
Deb A.
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I have missed all of you!
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Hurray! Thanks Deb and Mike!
Deb A.
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Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 12:08 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I need your help. Forgive me if this sounds like I am trying to sell my book..but this is more important than that. Someone emailed me and told me that there is a very negative, almost combative review under our book listing at www.amazon.com. It is recent, and is the only negative one. I just read it, and it suggests to me that it is either a friend of Dr. Blaylock's (who sells vitamins to combat MSG toxicity) or someone in the food or glutamate industry. I doubt they even read the book from their comments. Anyway, if any of you have the time, Mike and I would appreciate it if you could take a minute and click on the objection icon and/or submit your own review, a positive one, hopefully! :-) I am not worried about book sales. They have not decreased...only increased as the truth about MSG is spreading. But I certainly don't want to let people think that MSG is not a threat to their health and that taking a few vitamins and supplements is the answer. Thank you!
Roy Piwovar
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Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 7:41 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Here's the direct link to Deb A's book on Amazon's site:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0967049202/sr=8-1/qid=1154054351/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-8902736-8120852?ie=UTF8
Deb A.
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Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 8:08 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thank you, Roy. You know, I don't even think this person has even read Dr. Blaylock's book, because even he is always telling people to avoid MSG and its hidden forms. This person basically says all one has to do is pop some vitamins and we are free of MSG reactions. It sounds to me that this is another effort by pro MSG people to upset what we are trying to do. If you notice, all the other reviews are glowing. Mike and I have to inform Amazon about this comment and correct the copyright date, since it has been revised recently. The new edition is hardly a "circus side show". It's filled with more scientific information and more stories from MSG victims, including a section about children and how they are being effected. We left out some of the earlier drawings (like the dragon) years ago, and will soon have a new cover that will be a photograph of children at a table eating various foods. Anyway, the two calls I received yesterday sure helped us realize how important our work is here. It's so uplifting to hear from people who tell us they are now well after years of suffering due to MSG, all because of our site. I am just plain angry with the selfish, greedy food/glutamate companies and their reps, and the congressmen they have in their pockets. Believe me, they are aware of us and are campaigning more than ever to promote MSG's so-called safety. MSG has received lots of bad press lately, so their efforts will increase. Please do all you can in your own communities and circles to inform others.
Carol H
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Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 10:01 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The writer of that review only has a few other reviews on Amazon. I think they are simply ignorant but trying to appear well informed. From another Mosey review, it seems they think intestinal health solves everything, but if they actually checked the discussion board here, would know that MSG affects intestinal health directly. Those who can - write, those who can't - review.
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Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 2:09 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I think Mosey has posted here (do search). But perhaps, it is another Mosey.
Deb A.
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Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 5:59 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Amen and thanks, Carol. Yes, Anon, I do remember a Mosey posting here before.
Deb A.
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Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 6:21 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks Lisa Marie, jj, and Susie! Just read your reviews on Amazon. :-) !!
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Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 11:46 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Has anyone looked into or tried looking here for some alternatives or just a bit of a varity of recipes that will definately NOT cantain any toxins? The site is rawfoods.com. You don't have to become a rawfoodist to enjoy the information and recipes on this site. Hope it helps...
Lynn
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Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 2:30 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I hope someone does a documentary on msg, being hidden in processed food, and how it destroys our health. I watched the movie Supersize , about the guy who ate McDonald's for a month.
Lynn
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Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 2:42 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I hope someone does a documentary on msg, being hidden in processed food, and how it destroys our health. I watched the movie Supersize , about the guy who ate McDonald's for a month.
LaurenC
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Posted on Friday, July 18, 2008 - 5:50 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That was a good movie. Too bad it didn't pin point MSG as that's what it all boiled down to anyway. Throughout the moving I kept yelling, "Say it! Say MSG!" Didn't work.
Deb A.
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Posted on Monday, July 21, 2008 - 11:44 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have often wondered if the main character is now more sensitive to MSG and if his health is back to what it was before he ate that junk food.

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