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Gerry Bush
Posted on Tuesday, November 06, 2001 - 7:06 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Here are some very interesting links for everyone's perusal:

http://www.purefood.org

http://www.keepnatural.org

http://www.truefoodnow.org

http://www.safe-food.org

http://www.thecampaign.org

http://www.biointegrity.org
Roy Piwovar
Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2001 - 6:38 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Although interspersed with religious preaching, the Muslim web site below has some good links:

http://www.ummah.net.pk/dajjal/msg1.html
Roy Piwovar
Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2001 - 6:27 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Here is a link about a substance said to counteract excitotoxins called phophotidyl serine:

http://www.nisbett.com/nutrition/excitotoxins08.htm
MEMorrisNJ
Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2001 - 7:37 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Dr. Blaylock has released a booklet that you can find more about at: http://www.bioterroismbook.com
(I have yet to get it. Contrary to emails I sent out to some of you, this may not be his new book that we expected --- my apologies.)
MEMorrisNJ
Posted on Friday, November 16, 2001 - 1:06 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

VIRUS! My computer is sending out strange email messages to anyone listed with an email address in my files! I am told the name of the virus is: Magistr-B

Please immediately delete any future messages you receive from me without opening and delete any old messages from me that you may be holding. Do not open anything you receive from me until further notice!

I hope I didn't spread anything to your computer! I will be shutting down my computer until I can get this fixed and this will prevent me from visiting here for quite some time. My sincere apologies!
Anonymous
Posted on Monday, November 19, 2001 - 6:29 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

To M.E.Morris,N.J.:

M.E. An attempt to go to the above web site that yougave came out "error". Could you give us information on Dr. Blaylock,s booklet - how to obtain it and also information on his new book title, etc. I didn't know he had a new book out. Thank you.
Roy Piwovar
Posted on Monday, November 19, 2001 - 7:19 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The missing letter is added here to fix the link to Blaylock's booklet:

http://www.bioterrorismbook.com/
Anonymous
Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2001 - 7:09 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thank you, Roy.
MEMorrisNJ
Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 11:09 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Deb has warned us about supplements many times but I thought it may be worth sharing this posting from Donnie displayed at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MCS-CI-exile for those of you who are sensitive to corn:

“ Even if your vitamins/supplements says NO CORN, or other allergens, contact the companies. I got a letter from one of them, today, and their Vitamin C, among others, are made from corn. The label says no corn, soy, egg, dairy, etc. Do not trust that they don't contain your allergens. This could very well be the source of our unexplained allergic reactions. This company told me that it's that way with other companies,
too. Corn is cheap, so they use it, or sometimes potato, or probably whatever starchy vegetable is the cheapest. They claim that the corn is highly processed, so that most traces are not present. That's like saying traces of peanut are safe. Good grief! Can't trust any of these darn companies. If anyone finds a *really* corn free vitamin company, let us know. This applies to other allergens, too. Donnie”
Gerry Bush
Posted on Friday, January 04, 2002 - 9:04 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

WOW! Here is a Hong Kong site for the food additive industry. Usually I don't post these, but this one is informative....at least as to what we should avoid. No wonder we are sick.

http://crucial.ied.edu.hk/Foodchem/additive.html
Judy T
Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2002 - 3:34 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Gerry: Thanks!
Gerry Bush
Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2002 - 8:30 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You are welcome!
Gerry Bush
Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2002 - 6:24 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Here is a very interesting site for everyone's perusal. The first 2 links are specific pages that relate to msg, while the 3rd is the front door to the site that has many interesting page links.

http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/soy_alert.html

http://www.westonaprice.org/myths_truths/myths_truths_soy.html

http://www.westonaprice.org/splash_2.htm
Gerry Bush
Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2002 - 7:22 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The following link is important for us. Now I know why I can't drink these. Maltodextrin contains msg.


http://www.ncga.com/education/unit9/u9l1.html

Maltodextrin made from corn syrup is sprayed on instant tea and coffee to
keep the granules free flowing.
Carol H
Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2002 - 2:34 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

When I worked heavily with Nutrasweet I learned that aspartame is mixed with maltodextrin to give it bulk and make it free flowing. Most of what is in a packet of Equal is maltodextrin filler. If they only used aspartame which is many times sweeter than sugar, that little packet would look empty. So, people using Equal in hot coffee are triply doomed - MSG, Aspartame, and the heated breakdown products of aspartame.
Carol H
Posted on Saturday, March 02, 2002 - 1:13 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I just added more info to the remedies page on http://www.msgtruth.org. Forgive me for not updating for a while. Exciting things are happening with the band. I'm helping them get ready for a big national showcase. With the recent Grammy wins in the style of music they play, this might be the thing that breaks them out of anonymity. I am also taking some heavy duty courses and going to night meetings in addition to work. (Boy, why did I pick engineering of all things - riding a bicycle on my head would be a lot easier!) I promise I will update the site with the recent links by Roy and Judy, as soon as I can and add more research links as soon as things calm down in couple weeks.
Tom Fernstrom
Posted on Saturday, March 02, 2002 - 2:56 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Carol,

Congratulations on all the exciting things you are involved in. For the benefit of those who are new to this site, do you think you could be extending yourself like you are today back when you were under the influence of Excitotoxins?

I know as far as myself that my brother is amazed at how many different projects and activities I am involved in since I got my health back. For a fifty-one year old man who just a short 3 years ago thought he was breathing his last breath, I feel rejuvenated and young again. I might not act it in the eyes of my spry young wife, but just being able to keep up with her now is more than I could have ever hoped to have done back then.

I think this is important for people to know as newcomers and to remember as old-timers. We have been helped immensely by abstinence and proper supplementation. Once that settles in, the world takes on a new meaning.

Thanks to all of you out there for helping me. :)
Deb A.
Posted on Saturday, March 02, 2002 - 7:44 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I know just what you are saying, Tom. I know I would not have been able to play with my grandchildren the way I do, jet ski,do gardening, or keep up with many other demands. I would be spending much of my day in bed, and hoping no one would stop by. Just being able to paint a room or walk around the block at a brisk pace would have been impossible just 7 years ago before I began to eliminate MSG.
Great news about the band...I love their music!
Gerry Bush
Posted on Sunday, March 10, 2002 - 8:34 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Here is a great link for fibromyalgia:

http://www.immunesupport.com/library/showarticle.cfm/ID/3202
Deb A.
Posted on Monday, March 11, 2002 - 7:48 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I was so happy to see the latest study linking fibromyalgia to MSG and aspartame posted first, almost as an update to all the other drug treatments listed. Thanks, Gerry.
Judy T
Posted on Monday, March 11, 2002 - 8:41 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Gerry: Yes, a good link. I like the related articles as well. Thank you.
vrtu1
Posted on Monday, April 08, 2002 - 6:46 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Auxigro link: http://np-serv1.bizserve.com/MI/iforump.nsf/7d81763228d44a0a85256754005de238/31d5639198e06b4685256ab100609c1d?OpenDocument


Is there a new planet we can move to?
vrtu1
Posted on Monday, April 08, 2002 - 6:56 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Re auxigro, browse this: http://google.yahoo.com/bin/query?p=auxigro&w=dir&fr=op&o=a&h=s&g=0&n=20&hc=0&hs=0
vrtu1
Posted on Monday, April 08, 2002 - 7:01 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Re auxigro ---one more link for informational needs: http://google.yahoo.com/bin/query?p=environmental+protection+agency+final+rule+l-glutamic+acid&w=dir&fr=op&o=a&h=s&g=0&n=20&hc=0&hs=0
vrtu1
Posted on Monday, April 08, 2002 - 7:20 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Let's see, I'm adding comments to my own postings, hmmm?

Here's more, a copy of an e-mail I just sent:


Subj: re auxigro
Date: 4/8/2002 10:16:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: Vrtu1
To: Andersen.Janet@epamail.epa.gov



What is the EPA's current stance on this product?

Any chance of rescinding approval to use it?

I attended a health symposium last week and the attendees were aghast that a product like this is being used.

Almost all of them at once wanted to know where you and the other proponents of auxigro are getting your produce? Or conversely, how are you blocking the l-glutamic acid in your nervous system?

RSVP
vrtu1
Posted on Tuesday, April 09, 2002 - 7:53 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ms. Andrsen's response to my e-mail re auxigro:

Subj: Re: re auxigro
Date: 4/8/2002 1:05:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: Andersen.Janet@epamail.epa.gov
To: Vrtu1
Sent from the Internet (Details)



Dear ...,

This product is registered and has gone through our review process. As
you probably know, glutamic acid is common in many of the foods we eat
and most of the use of this product would be early in the season and be
total gone before the produce is harvested.

We have had an objection to an amendment for a tolerance exemption which
we are working on. We will make that document public for comment before
we issue a final order.
vrtu1
Posted on Tuesday, April 09, 2002 - 7:57 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

My response to Ms. Anderson's reply:


Subj: Re: re auxigro
Date: 4/9/2002 10:42:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: Vrtu1
To: Andersen.Janet@epamail.epa.gov



Thank you for responding. From the government's (FDA, Congressmen and Senators, now the EPA's) lack of concern and involvement in: classifying free glutamic acid's neurotoxic potential, limiting it's use, labeling it on foodstuff, or banning it's use in, on, or around vertebrates; one can only conclude that free glutamic acid is $anctioned as an economic poi$on. Given that there is no chance that the government will eliminate it in processed food we could all only hope that it's use be limited to processed food. God knows there will be enough damaged individuals to satisfy economic concerns. Whether our society and species will survive the ravages of MSG limited to processed food, only time will tell. But to spray it on crops, where it's airborne and waterborne, and in the environment without being filtered through someone's nervous system (like the processed food glutamate), with the added glutamate damage from eating the crops and adding yet more to processed food from these crops which will be incorporated into the processed food---so that we have environmental exposure, crop exposure and additional amounts in processed food---do you get the picture yet? I liked the human species when they were shorter, heterosexual(ed. by original design), smiling, capable of sustaining a married relationship without rage behavior, able to bear undamaged non-hyper children. when you could talk to neighbors who weren't mentally unbalanced and the talk didn't center around all their health problems, when we could sleep and had short term memory capabilitis, etc. This substance is a neurotransmitting chemical with neurotoxic capabilities, it should not be supplemented. With the EPA allowing this on crops, this brave new world someone's designing is going to be a God awful place to be stuck in.
DJ
Posted on Tuesday, April 09, 2002 - 12:06 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

BRAVO!!!!

DJ
Carol H
Posted on Tuesday, April 09, 2002 - 3:26 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Excellent!!!
Suzanne
Posted on Tuesday, April 09, 2002 - 4:10 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Good Job VRTU1

Hey, why doesn't everybody write Ms. Anderson a letter about Auxigro....Here's what I just wrote to her:

Dear Ms. Anderson

I am concerned about all the free glutamate that is in processed food. If you should decide to keep a tally of people who are against adding it to our produce through using Auxigro, please include me in the number. I am concerned about the food being unfit for those who have sensitivity to MSG and free glutamate, as well as those who don't realize (yet) that they are sensitive to it, or that it may be damaging them and their children. Please use any influence you may have to change laws or to inform those who do that there are people out there who really don't want Auxigro sprayed on their food, no matter when it is sprayed!

Sincerely,
Suzanne D......"
Marcia
Posted on Tuesday, April 09, 2002 - 4:36 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Here is a web address you all might find interesting. Reactions to MSG in China.
http://healthy.net/market/ads/WindowonWorld1.asp
Ruth
Posted on Tuesday, April 09, 2002 - 8:21 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Great letter to Ms. Anderson, vrtu1. I also put in my 2cents to her. Thanks.
Carol H
Posted on Monday, April 22, 2002 - 7:24 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Tom, you were right about me not being able to extend myself then. I should show you pictures of me when I was really sick from MSG poisoning. I don't even recognize me. I have gotten better in some respects, but it's been a really hard haul, looking back ten years later. That trip to Austin went great - we met two DJs on the plane home. One came out to see the band the next week and absolutely loved it - he's playing them now on the Rutgers radio station. The other DJ from a major NY station is probably coming out to the gig next week. In addition, a documentary about the Hudson River and the grassroots fight to clean it up will be airing tomorrow night. It's a story that started like ours, small, but grew into a huge movement to save the Hudson river. They will be showing film footage of people swimming in the river before it became polluted. My boyfriend Eric and I uncovered some of the raw footage they used to make the Bill Moyers documentary to air on PBS tomorrow and Wednesday. Also - my original point till I digressed - is that I finally was able to start updating the MSGTruth site again. We are almost done cleaning my grandpa's house, so I will soon have a lot more time to devote to the site. I just added a new page on MS. I found a couple great links to BBC articles - They are now examining glutamate blockers to treat MS. If you have any good suggestions on what to put on the msgtruth.org site, you can email me at carol@msgtruth.org
Roy Piwovar
Posted on Sunday, May 19, 2002 - 4:15 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Per the link below, some brain cancer cells secrete glutamate to help them spread:

http://www.msnbc.com/news/622001.asp?0si=-&cp1=1
Carol H
Posted on Sunday, May 19, 2002 - 11:42 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Now cancer too. It does continue to amaze me that no mention of ingested glutamate in the form af a "harmless" food additive is mentioned. Reminds me of an accomplice covering for his criminal friend by saying "Nope, never seen that guy before in my life".
Meg
Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 8:52 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm new at this, but have to say that I am sure that MSG has been causing the pain around my heart and my headaches for years. Doctors all scratch their heads, but now that I am eating better, I feel like a new person. I just w3anted to thank the people who make this site possible. My husband and I love your book, Debby A. and we are telling everyone about MSG.
I have a question. I saw a bottle of Spectrum organic balsamic vinegar that says "no added sulfites" on the bottle. Has anyone ever tried this product? I know I am allergic to sulfites, too.
Ruth
Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 1:16 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Meg,
I am always suspicious when I read the words "no added whatever." The ingredient can always be in there (and often times is in the case of MSG as part of another ingredient), and it's just the company's way of legally stating THEY haven't added any more of it to the product. Ingredients they use can already have the sulfites in it. You are better off using fresh lemon juice, as vinegar gives many of us problems. Maybe others can add to this.
Meg
Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 6:59 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thank you very much for that bit of advice, Ruth. I will try the fresh lemon juice to make my dressing. Deb A. your dressing recipes look wonderful.
Laurie M
Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 8:02 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The reason they say no added sulfites is grapes naturally give off small quantities of sulfites. Therefore there will always be a very small residue in wine vinegars and wines. The strange thing is I don't react to naturally occuring sulfites but added sulfites make me sick to my stomach.
Meg
Posted on Tuesday, May 21, 2002 - 8:17 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So you are saying that the product might be okay?
Jennifer
Posted on Sunday, November 03, 2002 - 12:20 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Maybe this is a duplicate, but here's an article on the New Scientist website about glutamates harming one's eyes:

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99992957
MEMorrisNJ
Posted on Saturday, November 09, 2002 - 9:08 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

http://www.mercola.com/2002/nov/9/msg.htm
Mercola has several postings about MSG. His web site is one of the most frequently accessed on the internet for health. Word is getting out more and more. (I find his free email newsletter very helpful.)
Fran
Posted on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 2:30 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I just found this article by James South on International antiaging Systems. It also sells supplements. It seems to be a great article. Does anybody know anything about his supplements. The aricle can be read at

http://smart-drugs.net/ias-excitotoxins.htm

Fran
Judy T
Posted on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 8:20 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Fran: His is one of my most favorite articles because my friends understand it. He has others, too, that give his personal supplement plan. I have studied all the supplements he recommends and have a file on each for that future day I may need them, however, the one that helped me the most once upon a time was the CoQ10. I don't take that anymore.
S.A.
Posted on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 9:25 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Why don't you take the CoQ10 anymore if it helped you so much?
Judy T
Posted on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 5:03 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

S.A. Good question, but I have an autoimmune disease and unfortunately my body will attack substances just related to what the original 'attack' was on...and that is monosodium glutamates. Somehow my body then gets confused and attacks anything that it is close in chemistry. Maybe because this is a co-enzyme, my disease began misidentifying CoQ10 as a free glutamate. (Wish I understood too). Anyway, after 3 years I'm msg free and regained my health so it took only 4 weeks to wean from the CoQ10. I recommend it however to anyone who just has a sensitivity to msg and needs to build up their mitochondria cell structure. The rest of my adult family takes it regularly.
S.A.
Posted on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 11:11 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks, Judy. I was wondering if I should stop using it or not. So far so good.
Fran
Posted on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 2:33 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Judy

I think I asked you before, but has anyone actually confirmed your autoimmune disease caused by MSG's. I am so convinced that this is what I have as I react to any kind of supplement or medication. At one point my Gp told me my fibro I got in my back was related to ME and it was my body fighting a virus and getting confused. It turned out my fibro was just the way that MSG affected my muscles (along with heart seizures etc), nothing to do with me fighting a virus, so I believe that it was my immune system fighting the MSG in my body.

OF course I can't get this diagnosed as my Dr has not really taken my MSG intolerance seriously. It is important for me to get this diagnosed, at least the MSG sensitivity, as I worry so much in case I ever need hospital treatment in the future. I can't even take a pill from the Dr without a whole string of advers reactions

FRan
Judy T
Posted on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 3:33 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

My ANA elevated and a host of other blood tests indicating I had an autoimmune disease occurred at the same time I became ultra sensitive to free glutamates. The doctors first thought I had lupus or arthritis, then said it had 'not manifested' itself but probably would eventually, everything from these to MS or ALS. Since then they simply check to see that I still have an autoimmune disease (don't you always once you do?), and then they are amazed I feel well and more amazed when I say it's what I don't ingest. They are more fearful for the reactions I have than about the autoimmune disease. And the endocrinologist wants me to avoid anything I can (like supplements) because she says the body can go after 'stuff' that is even slightly similar in chemistry. As it turned out, I was already reacting to CoQ10 when she told me this. While I was feeling no fatigue, no bone pains like in the past, etc., I was having to take benadryl and tylenol each night to sleep and my leg had begun to go numb which was an original toxicity symptom 3 years prior. After getting off the CoQ10 I no longer take benadryl or tylenol and no numb leg. To answer your question, no, no one has confirmed that msg caused the autoimmune disease but both the blood tests indicating the auto diseaseand the adverse reactions occurred at the same time.
Howard M
Posted on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 5:52 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hmm...

I too went through a similar list of symptomatic gyropyrotechnics...

My karate instructor and I were "practicing" one day and he kicked me under my left elbow ... my left rib cage... He said..."oops"...I said "Cool" cuz you are supposed to be cool in karate, eh? He said, "Nope, you are injured." ((Why does a karate instructor have a huge ego and when a student gets kinda good he's gotta go through this infantile thing where he's gotta continue to demonstrate his superiority by whanging you a really good one...and then...


My left side went numb for about five months from the left cranial ridge to my left ankle... And then whenever I moved my head the bottom of my spine began to 'buzz'....So I went to a doctor...and was told I had Arthritis....pills....nothing.

Another doctor. More tests...."You have MS.

Another doctor. You have Arthritis.

Another doctor. You Have ...something else...

Another doctor..."I dunno"

et cetera for 6 doctors.
Then I found a person who apparently turned down the directorship of the ((remembering twenty years ago)) the Eastman ? Medical Clinic in Rochester New York? to come to Canada and practice quietly.....anyway....he steered me away from spices, pork, milk products, and heavy oils like peanuts and coffee.

So... I said... "Why spices?" He said you have injured your spinal column nerves and do you want them to heal?

"Yes."

"Then don't do spices."

"Why not?"


"Put pepper on your tongue. What do you feel?"

"Heat."

"Right. That's because the nerves in your taste buds in your tongue dilate when in contact with a 'spice'. Don't eat spice because your entire nervous system dilates, not just your tongue...That's why you sweat when you eat '5-alarm Chile'."

I said, "um, okay."

I began to realize that my nerves were in a delicate condition...I limped for two years until I was free of any contamination from milk and spice. ((That doctor intuitively realized some important things))

Then....about three years later (see Dr. Blaylock's description of trauma creating a sensitivity to msg), I began to react (severe atrial fibrillation) in what I felt was a randomly caused environment. Took time and much experimentation to begin to realize the connection with msg.

Then I finally found the connection to msg products, and things got better (in terms of the reactions being less often))....until I quit smoking....then the reactions got more often, but with less intensity....( and then we realized that nicotine is in fact a glutamate blocker...)

Now I do the caveman thing and studiously avoid anything produced within fourteen city blocks of a prepared food. I'm still reacting, but I think I might be closing in on the Romaine Salad connection thing.

Will let you know.

Howie

sorry for the length....I think it was time to "say my thing"
PhyllisCh
Posted on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 6:08 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi,
I also have had Fibromyalgia for about 15 years. When I found this website, I finally realized that it was the msg that I was reacting to (because I thought I was avoiding it when I avoided Chinese Food). I also cannot find a doctor that takes this seriously. I get a reaction just as soon as I consume the wrong food (headache, rapid heartbeat, muscle spasms, etc. I was just tested by a Neurologist for lupus and when the MRI was normal, she didn't want to see me again. What type of doctor is the best to see? Rheumatologists usually see Fibromyalgia patients, but I don't feel that a Rheumatologist is the best person to see. The only doctors that take this seriously are not affiliated with any hospitals,do not accept any insurance plans, are not accepted by the mainstream,and charge outrageous fees.
I also worry about what I would do if I had to go into the hospital, since no one takes this seriously? It is amazing that all of these "doctors" can tell you that what you are feeling doesn't exist when they have never experienced the affects and have no idea what we are going through. I am sick and tired of being told to "relax". I was completely relaxed before I consumed the toxic substance. I have gone for so many years not knowing what I was reacting to. At least now, thanks to this website, I have some understanding about what is going on. It is just such a problem to avoid, especially when I am visiting a friend's house and I cannot eat anything that she is offering. I didn't want to seem like a hypochondriac or offend her, so I ate the food, and today I am really feeling the affects. (thank you for giving me the opportunity to vent - because no one else would understand but the folks here.) Anyone, feel free to e-mail me with any advice. It would be so comforting to be able to communicate with someone who really understands this "disability".
PhyllisCh@aol.com
PhyllisCh
Posted on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 6:12 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Actually, the MRI wasn't for Lupus, it was for MS.
Judy T
Posted on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 3:08 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Howard and Phyllis: It is so interesting to hear the stories that brought us to this common spot. Wouldn't it be great to understand that we have also in common in our backgrounds that made us react so adversely? Thank you for sharing.
Howard M
Posted on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 5:42 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

hmm

Dear NoMsgers:

I do believe that in the end, we will be vindicated.

But it will take time.

In time, people will say..."You 'took' msg, today?" Umm...why?


Geez, is Alzeimer's, Parkinsons, Multiple Sclerosis, heart problems, and serious migraines... just a teensy problem to be dealt with by the FDA as an aside?

money...money....money....erk
Fran
Posted on Friday, November 15, 2002 - 1:32 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Phylis

I think your friend would be quite understanding about your sensitivity. I mean everyone must have some fruit and veggies or plain pasta or rice in their cupboard. I know how you feel though and have gone through similar scenarios. A friend of mine is half chinese. EVery year she invites us to celebrate the Chinese New Year. Whilst she didn't actually use MSG her ingredients were full of it. I had to explain to her before the meal last year. At first I thought she was quite hurt, now she questions me, she asks about everything she uses. If I say no she wants to know why not. She is taking it all in. We have been invited for tea on Monday and I am hoping she will invite us for the chinese new year in Feb again.

Hospital is another matter though.

I'm getting an MRI done soon. Just waiting for the appointment to land on the door step. I am a bit worried as I used to have seizures with MSG and some of them produced near death experiences. I also used to get loud bangs like explosions in my head, or periods when my brain would click off for a couple of seconds just like an old fashioned TV switching off, then coming back on again (poor description but only way i can explain it). I am so sure that they must have killed some brain cells. But at least now I will have a record of the ammount of damage (if any) and when a follow up is done I will be able to see if it has progressed. I would think not if it is caused by MSG.

All the best
PhyllisCh
Posted on Friday, November 15, 2002 - 8:09 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Fran,
How long have you been having symptoms? It must be horrible to have gotten so sick from this. I haven't gotten to the point of seizures, however, there were times when I have injested Chinese food when I would begin to tremble uncontrollably with my heart racing. I remember thinking that if I was not taking Sinequan, I might have had a seizure. The Sinequen was the only thing that helped me sleep when this problem first began.(but it hasn't been helping as well anymore) The Neurologist that I saw prescribed Neurontin, but when I tried taking it, I was unable to think clearly. I might try a lower dose. I have heard that Neurontin is being prescribed for migraine headaches, as well as hot flashes.

I guess I am kind of angry and frustrated because my husband and I have always loved dining out and I have always hated bland food. Now I can't even enjoy my meals. This will take some getting used to. But as I said before, at least I know what is causing my symptoms. Before I found this website, I felt like a freak and always tried to hide it when I began getting symptoms because the doctors always told me it must be my nerves, because there was no reason to react this way.

I wonder, does this condition ever go into remission?
Have the doctors admitted to you that your seizures were caused by the msg? I really hope that your mri goes well. Do keep us posted.
Take care,
Phyllis
PhyllisCh
Posted on Friday, November 15, 2002 - 8:17 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Howard,
What type of a doctor are you seeing? He sounds like he is in to Chinese Medicine. I wish I could find a doctor like yours where I live. I am still unsure about what type of a specialist to see.
Take care.
Phyllis
PhyllisCh
Posted on Friday, November 15, 2002 - 8:24 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Judy,
I really think I have had this sensitivity all of my life. When I was a young child, I remember feeling as if I were going to pass out while eating in a Chinese Restaurant. My doctor at the time said I had "Chinese Restaurant Syndrome" and dismissed it, telling me not to eat Chinese food anymore. As the years passed, it gradually began to get worse and worse, but I had no idea why.
I wonder if anyone else reacted at a young age. I also remember when I was pregnant with my first child. I was two weeks late. One night we went out to eat Chinese food. That night I began contractions and went into labor. That is probably the only time that msg actually helped me out by causing muscle spasms.

Take care,
Phyllis
Howard M
Posted on Saturday, November 16, 2002 - 6:12 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Phyllis

The fellow who put me back together after my karate injury was also into accupressure combined with diet but he retired fifteen years ago and I've been winging it since.

Where he learned this technique (and it worked) I don't know.
laurie M
Posted on Saturday, November 16, 2002 - 11:10 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Phyllis,
I have been sensitive since the age of eight. No doctors could figure out what was wrong with me. Nobody came close in diagnosing me until i was 19. I am not reactive to naturally occuring glutamate only the man made stuff. I think icaught it early enough that my symptoms never got realllly bad but i do get a racing heart. lethargy, headaches, and dizziness.
Fran
Posted on Saturday, November 16, 2002 - 1:02 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Phyllis

The funy thing is that I never ever thought that I was ill. I knew something was not right. All I knew was that at times my body did not react as it should. My AF would come out of nowhere. My seizures would come out of nowhere, usually at night (hence the sleep tests and tests for narcolepsy) I would get the most amazing startle reactions (including visual black and white horizontal stripes in fron to my eyes when people suddenly spoke to me when near to me) I would get jerks or tremors in my hands that would not stop, but they would come and go. I then developed fibro and really began to wonder. It was through having fibro that I discovered the MSG connection. But through all this time I did not think I was ill. But I was annoyed at myself.

I told my Dr's that I had found out what had caused my seizures and AF because since ommiting MSG and all preservatives and other additives it had all stopped and I had got my life back. I even asked his opinion about what to do if and when I went to hospital. He said I had to ask to speak to the dietician and tell her I was on an elimination diet and explain. I often wonder if they will do it though in this cash strapped health service we have. But more and more people are on varying diets these days so I suppose they have to cater for them. IT was at this appointment that my Dr told me that I probably reacted to tyramine as well. I'm not sure if this is the case as I tried eliminating all foods that have tyramine in them and the elimination of cheese and live yogurt were the only two which helped. Both these can have sulphites and/or small ammounts of MSG in them. I can eat spinnach and avocado without reaction.

I don't know how seriously the Dr took me though. They never ask after my previous symptoms. I told the neurologist and he seemed to think it was feasable, he again mentioned tyramine though. This must be the one that they have accepted.

Since coming off all MSG I have started to enjoy food again. Sort of the opposite from you. I enjoy creating new recipes in the kitchen and think that my diet is anything but bland. I can make really tasty stuff with herbs and stuff. Also once a week I do a full roast meat and make a gravy from the juices with arrow root. It is the tastiest thing I ever eat.

As to how long I have had it. I suspect all my life. My first seizure was at 22. I am 42 now. But before that and as a child I could not fathom out how somedays I was as bright as a button and other days I could not interact with people. IT was as if my brain was not transmitting through to my body or mouth. Everything I said would come out upside down or back to front. My feet would go on the bit I was trying to avoid.... you get the picture. One thing I sussed out was that aspirin could help me feel better and I used to nick them from my Mums cabinet. I have since learnt that aspirin is a glutamate blocker. Also was totally addicted to ciggies. Must have been the glutamate blocking agent in nicotine as every time I tried to stop I got so much worse. Of course I put this down to nicotine withdrawel.

Anyway that is my story. Hope I haven't bored you.

Fran
PhyllisCh
Posted on Saturday, November 16, 2002 - 1:33 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Fran,
You haven't bored me at all. I think that by listening to other stories and hearing how other people have coped is a valuable learning experience.
If you have any tasty recipes it would be great if you could e-mail me. I have Deb's book, but I don't think there were any recipes for Turkey stuffing and gravy. I don't think my family would be happy if they couldn't eat their old favorite stuffing, but I would love to try making something that I wouldn't react to.
I just went to a Chiropractor today, who wants to do kinesiology on me. I don't know if I believe this stuff, but I am open to anything. If anyone has had any experience with Kinesiology I would love to hear about it.
Take care,
Phyllis
Fran
Posted on Sunday, November 17, 2002 - 3:11 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The last time I made stuffing (for chicken) I made it with oatmeal, leeks, onions, sea salt, pepper and some olive oil. Cook the bird upside down (eg breast down so the juices go to the breast meat - turn to brown top for last ten minutes or so). The juices from the meat flavour the stuffing. For gravy; I usually roast in an open container, if it is a big bird cover in some foil. When the bird is cooked the fat and juices will have formed a part sticky and part runny juice at the bottom of the roasting dish. To this I add a mug or two of water mixed with one or two teaspoons of ground arrow root (you can buy this from my local supermarket). Mix the arrow root with the water add to stock deglazing the bottom of the pan over the hob. Keep stirring and mixing whilst it heats up. It will go thicker and clearer when cooked. It only takes a couple of minutes. Add salt to taste.

Important try to use an organic bird. Supermarket ones usually are prebasted. Also if it is not organic it will be intensively farmed, and full of growth hormones and may be injected with water (with a bit flavour enhancer) to increase weight. I always react to non oraganic chicken.

Hope you enjoy the gravy as everyone else loves my gravy and it is only because it is meat juice with no added extras. It tastes wholesome and fresh.

Fran
Judy T
Posted on Sunday, November 17, 2002 - 2:21 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Howard M: Have you checked out Reiter's Syndrome? Together with the karate injury was there a bacterial infection? Lots of websites... Since one of the insults to my body was severe case of food poisoning, I had considered this but I've come to the conclusion: doesn't matter what you call it, we gotta deal with it.
PhyllisCh
Posted on Sunday, November 17, 2002 - 4:47 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Fran:
Thank you for the recipe. I will be using it shortly.
Take care,
Phyllis
Howard M
Posted on Sunday, November 17, 2002 - 5:07 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Judy

Rieter's syndrome? More details, please....

I am interested. The fellow I saw, when I first saw him, said, along with everything else, a kidney infection (which the neurologist at the time pooh poohed...((he struck me as a know-it-all fat-head who had passed all his tests with flaming colour, but couldn't really think)) )

In other words, he knew, and that was that...
Roy Piwovar
Posted on Sunday, November 17, 2002 - 5:23 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Below is a link explaining Reiter's Syndrome:

http://www.orthop.washington.edu/arthritis/types/reiters/01
Judy T
Posted on Sunday, November 17, 2002 - 5:24 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You might try www.google.com for some of the following sites:
www.healthtrust.com/intmed/Access2Cons2/ConsConditions/ReitersSyndromecc.shtml,
www.tell-us-your-story.com/_disc98r/0000004e.htm,
www.aafp.org/afp/990800ap/499.html,
www.arthritis.ca/,
www.merck.com/pubs/mmanual/section5/chapter51/51lb.htm,
www.arthritis.about.com (reactive arthritis)
www.focusonarthritis.com,
www.prostatitis.orgreiters.html,
www.underwriting.com.za,
www.drkoop.com.
Reiter'
s most often occurs in men before the age of 40, usually within days or weeks of infection followed by fever with arthritis and others symptoms developing over many weeks. There is also a genetic predisposition component. Why it caught my eye is redness of eye, eye pain, low back pain, heel pain, ulcers in mouth.
Carol H
Posted on Sunday, December 29, 2002 - 2:34 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I just added a new page to MSGTruth regarding "Chinese Restaurant Syndrome" and why we don't call it that. http://www.msgtruth.org/whywe.htm

It is my answer to people who say they don't have to worry about MSG because they never go to Chinese restaurants. It also has tips for those people who like Asian food and would like tips on how to enjoy it and cut down the risk of an MSG poisoning.
Pat Shoffner
Posted on Sunday, December 29, 2002 - 3:47 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Carol - you did a wonderful job. A really nice site to check out and get information from. Thanks a bunch.
Judy T
Posted on Sunday, December 29, 2002 - 4:46 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Carol: This is terrific. This is just the ticket for a few acquaintances and for others in the future. Thank you, thank you.
Russell L. Blaylock, M.D.
Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 10:26 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I would direct your readers to a new paper I have written on the subject of autism and excitotoxicity which appeared in the Journal of the American Nutraceutical Association. I will be glad to send it to the web site for posting. In addition I have new material in another article in the Winter issue 2002 (vol 5) of JANA titled- New developments in the prevention and treatment of neurodegenerative diseases using nutraceuticals and metabolic stimulants. At present I am working on an article which will link excessive vaccination to excitotoxicity. In my new book, Health and Nutrition Secrets That Can Save Your Life, I have updated the MSG material and added a chapter on the vaccine controversy. Please see my web site-russellblaylockmd.com for more details. The mercury connection is multifactorial-involving inhibition of neurotubules, enzymes and protein conformation-but, the most devastating effect is inhibition of glutamate re-uptake proteins-which leads to excitotoxicity. In the baby's brain or young child-this can not only produce neuron death but also synaptic disintegration and mis-wiring of the developing brain. I presented the case to the DAN people but they had no interest in it.
Carol H
Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 1:49 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thank you so much for your update, Dr. Blaylock. I will include more info on these topics on the MSGTruth site.
Judy T
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I feel honored that you would take the time to give us this information...and I had not realized you had a web site. Thank you. You know you are a hero to thousands of people. Reading your book was my first introduction to what was happening to me and you literally saved my life. As a consequence my family lives a renewed lifestyle that is improved and healthier. I am profoundly indebted to you.
Deb A.
Posted on Friday, August 01, 2003 - 9:05 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks so much for taking time in your busy schedule to update us here, Dr. Blaylock. Please do post the paper here or send it to us at avenger@msgmyth.com so that we can post it on on our site, too. Any additional information you think would be helpful to visitors here, is welcome. You may have been recently informed as I have been by Kathleen Schwartz, that NoMSG is closing down. It is unfortunate, but we know that with people like you still working for this cause, we are hopeful that increasingly more people will make the connection to excitotoxins and their health problems. We'd also like to add your site to our list of links, if that is alright. God bless your efforts.
Deb A.
Posted on Friday, August 01, 2003 - 9:39 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Dr. Blaylock's posting: I took the liberty of reposting this for anyone who might have missed it .

"By Russell L. Blaylock, M.D. on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 10:26 am: Edit


I would direct your readers to a new paper I have written on the subject of autism and excitotoxicity which appeared in the Journal of the American Nutraceutical Association. I will be glad to send it to the web site for posting. In addition I have new material in another article in the Winter issue 2002 (vol 5) of JANA titled- New developments in the prevention and treatment of neurodegenerative diseases using nutraceuticals and metabolic stimulants. At present I am working on an article which will link excessive vaccination to excitotoxicity. In my new book, Health and Nutrition Secrets That Can Save Your Life, I have updated the MSG material and added a chapter on the vaccine controversy. Please see my web site-russellblaylockmd.com for more details. The mercury connection is multifactorial-involving inhibition of neurotubules, enzymes and protein conformation-but, the most devastating effect is inhibition of glutamate re-uptake proteins-which leads to excitotoxicity. In the baby's brain or young child-this can not only produce neuron death but also synaptic disintegration and mis-wiring of the developing brain. I presented the case to the DAN people but they had no interest in it."
Carol H
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I don't know how helpful this is, but McDonald's has an interesting page where they list their foods and allergens. MSG is listed here too. At least they are making an effort.
http://www.mcdonalds.com/countries/usa/food/nutrition/categories/allergens/ Note that the chicken products seem to have straight MSG added. Chicken is the food scientist's favorite MSG carrier.
Jerry Story
Posted on Friday, October 03, 2003 - 6:09 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

They forgot to list aspartame. Some of the foods listed definitely have aspartame. Also it looks to me like they didn't count *hidden* MSG.

But in any case, MacDonald's is not safe. There is no such thing as a safe restaurant. Even without the crap that they add to the food, it still probably wouldn't be fit for a dog to eat.

The restaurant business wants to make as much money as possible. Therefore they put MSG in the food to make it taste good so people eat more of it. As long as the fact that MSG is bad for health does not affect the bottom line, they don't care. Any health-minded restaurant (speaking hypothetically) would be at a disadvantage in the competition because the food would not be taste-enhanced.
Margie
Posted on Saturday, October 04, 2003 - 5:29 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

They're putting that crap in everything now. I remember when aspartame was only in diet gum and diet sodas, but now they are putting it in so many things, I just can't believe it!!

I got pissed off yesterday at Walmart when I saw this one Walmart employee passing out these new 'after dinner mints' of some sort that had aspartame in it to kids and thier mothers ... I blurted out, "that stuff is killing people" and could feel myself shake with anger as I said it too. It's just UNREAL and sometimes you just don't know whether to scream or cry.
Roy Piwovar
Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 5:33 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Below is a list of links posted a few years ago on the old NoMSG web site. Many of them may still work. It was probably originally organized by MEMorrisNJ, and appears toward the bottom of their one of their archives linked at:

http://www.nomsg.com/discus/messages/1/6.html?995121784

By Roy Piwovar on Monday, April 16, 2001 - 12:24 pm:

Links from the archives:

Internet References

NoMSG home page: http://www.nomsg.com.)

Selected references from the NoMSG home page: http://www.nomsg.com/references.html

MSG reference books: http://www.nomsg.com/books.html

Site w/ links to MSG info:
http://www.truthinlabeling.org/
http://www.msgmyth.com/
http://www.holisticmed.com/msg/
http://myweb.magicnet.net/~btnature/
http://www.ummah.net.pk/dajjal/msg1.html

Natural glutamates:
http://www.msgfacts.com/bandb/freetable.cfm
http://www.truthinlabeling.com/manufac.htm

Carol H?s site re foods and nutrition (in development): http://www.basicfare.com

Debby A?s site re Battling the MSG Myth: http://www.msgmyth.com

Food Safety: http://www.midpacific.wsu.edu/food/foodsafe.html

Food Can Make You Ill (FCMYI): http://www.foodcanmakeyouill.co.uk

Molasses & manufacturing of MSG: http://www.britannica.com/seo/m/monosodium-glutamate/

Carrageenan derived from seaweed: http://www.philexport.org/shemberg/process.htm

Strokes and glutamates: http://www.apnet.com/inscight/09161997/grapha.htm

Cysteine, methionine and taurine: http://www.iherb.com/iherb/taurine.html

Vitamin suppliers
http://www.beyond-a-century.com/
http://www.thewayup.com/products/0186.htm

MSG list and label amnesty program:
http://thelighthousepress.com/msglist.htm
http://thelighthousepress.com/amnesty.htm

Taurine: http://128.252.223.112/posts/archives/dec96/838284905.Bc.r.html

Histamines - the Journal of Physiology:
http://www.jphysiol.org/cgi/content/abstract/515/3/777

Meat processing: http://www.esprint.com.ph/meatproc/agents/agents.htm

Ajinomoto (largest MSG producer): http://www.ajinomoto-usa.com

Sulfites: http://www.mayohealth.org/mayo/9708/htm/sulfites.htm

Phosphates:
http://www.emedline.com/lexicomp/datasets/dih_f/html-plain/chapter/mono/la116700.htm
http://onhealth.com/conditions/resource/pharmacy/multum0/item,74314.asp
http://www.epa.gov/fedrgstr/EPA-ST/1998/March/Day-03/p5418.htm

Onions, garlic and nitrosamines: http://www.pslgroup.com/dg/2D98E.htm

Kombu: http://www.fatfree.com/foodweb/

Spinach and oxalic acid: http://www.readersdigest.co.uk/CTHE-3YVJ5P.htm

Oxalic acid food list: http://www.eegspectrum.com/books/gvh/oxalic.htm

Gary Null?s web site: http://www.circleofwisdom.com/garynull.htm

Hospital Finder: http://www.usnews.com/usnews/nycu/health/hosptl/tophosp.htm

Agri-chemical list: http://www.cdms.net/manuf/mprod.asp?mp=29&ms=2229

FDA and Nutrasweet re brain tumors (and other references): http://www.swankin-turner.com/aspartame/lawof.html

Kosher foods: http://www.kosherquest.org/html/Additives_November_1995.htm

Turkey: http://www.turkeyfed.org/foodsrv/manual/parts/cookedProducts.html

Barbara Walters? story on soy: http://www.abcnews.go.com/onair/2020/2020_000609_soy_feature.html
Soy information: http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/index.htm
Reactions to soy: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/4620/

Real cola: http://www.webtender.com/db/ingred/109

Acidopholus: http://www.msgmyth.com/hidename.htm

Thumanns web site: http://www.thumanns.com/history.htm

Cereal processing: http://www.britannica.com/bcom/eb/article/0/0,5716,120850+19,00.html

Iodine, seaweed, salt: http://nobel.scas.bcit.ca/resource/ptable/i.htm

Iodine sensitivity and thryroid trouble: http://thyroid.about.com/health/thyroid/library/weekly/aa032400a.htm

MAOI diet and tyramine:
http://uhs.uchicago.edu/dr-bob/tips/maoi.html
http://www.mayohealth.org/mayo/askdiet/htm/new/qd990811.htm http://www.noah.cuny.edu/illness/mentalhealth/cornell/medications/tyramine.html

International Coenzyme Ql0 Association:
http://wwwcsi.unian.it/coenzymeQ/

Shaken Baby Syndrome
http://onhealth.com/baby/briefs/item,26203.asp

Whole Foods Market:
http://www.wholefoods.com

Addictions: http://www.usatoday.com/life/health/addiction/lhadd024.htm

Milk:
http://www.drhull.com/EncyMaster/M/milk_intolerance.html
http://www.notmilk.com

Brain receptors and Epileptic Seizures: http://www.salk.edu/NEWS/seizure.html

Allergies: http://www.physsportsmed.com/issues/1998/05may/allergy.htm

Folic Acid
http://www.smartbasic.com/glos.vitamins/folic.glos.html
http://www.aafp.org/patientinfo/homocyst.html
http://www.americahealth.com/Folic.html,http://www.americahealth.com/Folic.html
http://www.mothernature.com/ency/Supp/Folic_Acid.asp,http://www.mothernature.com/ency/Supp/Folic_Acid.asp

Tyramine: http://www.virtualtrial.com/pcvdiet.cfm


Cooks Illustrated: http://www.cooksillustrated.com

Guide to avoiding MSG: http://allergies.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fcarbohydrateaddicts.com%2Fmsg.html

NIH (National Institute of Health): http://www.nih.gov
Deb A.
Posted on Monday, April 26, 2004 - 10:47 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks, Roy. I just downloaded the second to last one, Guide to Avoiding MSG...excellent...written by two doctors. Thanks for retrieving these...some are gone, but the rest are good to have.
MEMorrisNJ
Posted on Saturday, May 01, 2004 - 5:45 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Dr. Russell Blaylock (neurosurgeon and author of Excitoxins: The Taste That Kills) gives his viewpoint on glutamine at: http://mercola.com/2004/may/1/glutamine.htm
Title: Is Glutamine Supplementation Helpful or Harmful?
Lisa Marie
Posted on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 11:42 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Recent article by:
Mike Adams is a holistic nutritionist--
http://www.newstarget.com/001528.html


This one lists symptoms of MSG reactions (especially for those of you new to the stie)
http://www.nutrition4health.org/NOHAnews/NNSp00_MSG.htm
L. Vargas
Posted on Saturday, June 04, 2005 - 7:33 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The FDA is responsible to protect the american people but on this day's all they care is about money not the people's health.
Jerry Story
Posted on Saturday, June 04, 2005 - 11:47 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Those guys are among the lowest form of life walking on two feet.

Facts about the FDA, the AMA, ADA.
http://www.medicaltruth.com/FDA-AMA/home.htm

[quote]
"The thing that bugs me is that people think the Food and Drug Administration is protecting them -- it isn't. What the FDA is doing and what the public thinks it's doing are as different as night and day." --Dr. Herbert L. Ley, former Commissioner of the FDA

Did you know? The average lifespan of the average American is 75 years, while the average lifespan of your MD is 58 years! Following your doctor's advice can cost you 17 years of your life (if you're lucky)!! Is there something our Doctor's are not being taught?

In spite of our supposedly superior medical technology, the USA is #1 in the world in degenerative disease and the 20th in life expectancy. - World Health Organization.
[/quote]
MEMorrisNJ
Posted on Sunday, April 09, 2006 - 1:11 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

MSG test --- I don't know who would want to go through the trouble of testing for MSG but to read steps to find glutamic acid, go to Page 127 at the following web site entitled, Manual Methods of Analysis of Foods:
http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:zHuUIn37x2QJ:mohfw.nic.in/2-Analysis%2520for%2520Food%2520Additives.pdf
Here is excerpt: "Glutamic acid is extracted from foods using water, separated from other amino acids by using an ion-exchange resin chromatography and titrated potentimetrically using 0.1N NaOH."
Debbey
Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 4:44 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

itching scratching itchy itchy
any new words out there to hide MSG
something new in the world of additives i might be missing???? Creative food/soap/lotion additives?????
it has been a year and you all have been wonderful with your help and support
99.9 per cent of the time i do really great at this no msg/perservatives/sugar thing...i have been itching for 3 days and have not yet found the cause... frustrating..today I feel like
Hi My name is debbey and I am allergic to the food supply ....but i have to eat to keep my blood sugar regulated
and i miss diet coke so much!!!(no I won't drink it)and yep I listened to you guys and haven't smoked since Christmas day..
I guess i am having a bad food day?????????
so no msg /no sugar/ no nicotine /no nutrasweet/ no wine/ no preservatives/no additives
no axi-grow
so..
Deb A.
Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 12:07 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are you eating chocolate or candies of some kind? What about dairy? What do you eat typically in a day. That might help us help you find a culprit. Where on your body do you itch?
Debbey
Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 7:48 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

no chocolate no candy cannot eat sugar or nutrasweet.
food supply really safe

think it might be burts bees cream
the stuff i bought last week has carregean
and the old one does not . stopped using it yesterday not itching as much..really appreciate the imput i work really hard at this -memorized your list and truth in labeling lists read labels
but since I had used the product before i was dumb to believe it was still safe
Lisa Marie
Posted on Friday, April 14, 2006 - 3:39 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

There are certain products I eat over and over, and assume to be safe. Once in a while a product will change it's ingredients without warning, and I don't realize it until I go back and read the label--it makes me mad that they can't leave good enough alone. I am thinking of products which don't have 'new' labeling, or any warning for you to look.
MEMorrisNJ
Posted on Friday, April 14, 2006 - 5:16 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Burts Bee - I can't tolerate the smell of it. My nose appears to know what is trouble before the rest of me does.
And Lisa Marie is right --- that's why I keep a diary. Going back to my diary is the best resource for figuring it out. Sometimes, I just need to let go of it mentally (while keeping the diary updated) and then review after a week or so has past when I regain some perspective. Guess I get so upset when I experience a problem that I can't analyze my situation right away.
MEMorrisNJ
Posted on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 5:25 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Quote: One of the damaging effects of mercury poisoning is swelling of astrocytes, which are rendered unable to soak-up glutamine from synapses (contributing to excitotoxicity).
Source: http://www.benbest.com/science/anatmind/anatmd10.html
MEMorrisNJ
Posted on Saturday, June 24, 2006 - 5:01 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Avoid canned tuna! Contains too much mercury (see my previous post).
Read: http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/food/tuna-safety/overview/0607_tuna_ov.htm
http://www.mercola.com/2006/jun/24/do_not_eat_canned_tuna_especially_if_youre_pregnant.htm
Does anyone know how you can be tested for mercury without having to take DMSA first?
jjmartin
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Posted on Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 2:56 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I thought this was an excellent site and one I had not run across previously :
http://www.purezing.com/pureliving.htm
Anonymous
 
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Posted on Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 8:11 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

hello, does anyone have any information on cannola oil, I have been using it for a year now, and just was told it is toxic. I went on the internet and did not read anything possitive about it, does anyone know of a safe oil other than cannola? I would appreciate any help.
thanks
Deb A.
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Posted on Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 5:39 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I primarily use olive oil for all my frying. Recently, I made corn bread using the mild olive oil from Costco. It was very good and we didn't notice any strong olive oil flavor. I have found it increasingly hard to find sunflower oil, but was able to find some at the Euro grocery store in town...from Russia. It is preservative free. Safflower is also a good oil, from what I have heard. I use regular olive oil for most of my salad dressings.
Violet
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Posted on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 9:45 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have stopped ingesting MSG and Aspartame for the last three years. Completely since last March by using a pendulum to test ALL food.
No more symptoms of all my previous ailments!!!!!
BUT
Everytime I eat out, they come back for 5 days. And there is no improvement on that, which means after all that time I am not yet in the situation I was before, when ingesting MSG did not produce any immediate symptoms.
Because I have breast problems I have come across iodine supplementation. Now I gather that iodine and glutamine bind in some way, which would induce I suppose a deficiency in iodine if too much glutamine is ingested. Please take a look at this Curezone forum where a host of very interesting links are offered about iodine supplementation.
http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=815
I have started it two weeks ago and shall wait until after 3 months to take a trial Chinese meal. Will post the results here.
Anonymous
 
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Posted on Friday, October 19, 2007 - 7:05 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

http://www.fms-help.com/101907.htm
12. EXCITOTOXINS CAUSE PAIN
From a reader--
"For me if I take anything with Excitotoxins such as
gelatin capsules or the 40 plus aliases I'm in terrible
fibro pain. Meds can be notorious for hidden ingredients.
www.msgmyth.com
Go to the interview area and listen to Dr. Blaylock
I also get his monthly newsletter and the October issue
is outstanding.
I have to read every label on meds (full disclosure)
supplements and food. Eating out is out of the question.
I can't even find a bread in the Health food store that I can
eat. My diet has to be squeaky clean from known
Excitotoxins because just a smidgen puts me in terrible pain.
I only eat what I prepare. It isn't easy but worth it.
The nutritionist that I work with has become a good friend.
Because of my medical problem she is helping other fibro suffers
by eliminating free glutamate (excitotoxins) with much success.
I also have to watch anything that I use on my skin. Many
products have hydrolyzed substances in them plus other
ingredients that I react to in the form of pain.
So many people are suffering needlessly.
www.msgtruth.org
www.truthinlabeling.org
I hope that what I have shared will help others."
LaurenC
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Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 10:04 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I came across these links while looking for information on obtaining raw milk:
www.realmilk.com
http://www.westonaprice.org/
Has anyone heard of the Weston Price Foundation? It seems reputable. What do you think?

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