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Posted on Thursday, November 13, 2008 - 12:15 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I've read that those white stones are caused by sinus drainage and/or congestion. Try using a neti pot with distilled water and a pinch of salt to clean out the sinuses daily. You can also use a water pik with a sinus attachment.
Dish
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Posted on Monday, January 26, 2009 - 12:03 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I caught tonsillitis while on vacation last May. I was prescribed antibiotics for bacterial infection, but as soon as I finished the 10 day course, 3-4 days went by and I relapsed (fever, chills, throat etc.) This cycle repeated itself ALL summer. Finally after 5 rounds of antibiotics, the sixth treatment was a strong one (clindamycin) for a month which finally knocked the infection. Ever since my tonsils have had the stones and like everyone else, I push them out with the end of my toothbrush, only to discover them again the next day. Sometimes so many come out I am astounded at the volume!
I have a very healthy diet but I am considering going off yogurt since it is a cultured product and may have msg and I guess the calcium could be a problem too.

2 Questions:
What about gargling with acidophillis?
Could chocolate be a problem? I have a bit of an organic dark chocolate habit...

Cheers to all of you for your discussion and suggestions.
Bill S
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Posted on Monday, January 26, 2009 - 1:22 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I don't have much to add considering I've never had this problem.

They say mold thrives on chocolate. And you've had a lot of antibiotics to lower your good bacteria.
DebA.
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Posted on Monday, January 26, 2009 - 2:11 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It may be a good idea to start taking a good probiotic pill...if in gelcap, remove and mix with water and drink. Or you can drink some kefir, which has many good strains of bacteria. It may be that you are still eating too much free glutamate that is so well hidden in foods today. All I know is that I used to have the same annoying white spots that disappeared once I avoided MSG and its cousins, and used baking soda for toothpaste. Let us know how you do.
Jennifer
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Posted on Monday, January 26, 2009 - 9:35 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I've had the stones....tonsiliths or something like that. I found out about sulfites before MSG, and removing them from my diet helped a lot. I would only rarely get them. Then I removed the MSG, and they pretty much stopped. But whenever I'm sick, I get a sinus drip that can make them reoccur.

I use a "Neilmed" sinus wash, and maybe that would help you too. I did determine that it was the sinus drip that was the cause of the white spots. So....not only food, but allergies or smoking could also cause that. (I quit smoking for the third time in 2005. BUT, when I removed the MSG, I no longer had the "urge" due to stress, and can safely say I'm "cured" now. I haven't seen that phenomenon posted, but it's another reason to quit MSG).

I use baking soda for toothpaste too.

As for chocolate....if you're intolerant of caffeine, and sulfites, you may have a problem with chocolate. I can safely eat one square per day...so I use the 100% stuff with no sugar - it sure packs a wallop. One square of that and I'm good for three days!

Jennifer
Dianne
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Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 5:09 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

that's cute...."it sure packs a wallop. One square of that and I'm good for three days!"
Miss Kitty
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Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 10:35 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Both of my daughters and I get these nasty white things. I just sent this link to them with the heading "We are not alone". My doctor told me it was putrid matter. I never dreamed of getting my tonsils removed though. I don't have any sickness with them. They are just smelly, disgusting annoyances. Good to know my tonsils are eliminating the poison from my body.

I have most of the symptoms on the MSG check list and some listed in the posts that were not on the list. I started the Test Yourself diet last Thursday and ordered the book on Sunday. I feel a bit better each day. Losing the tonsil stones would be a nice side effect of no MSG.

Thank you very much for your website and discussion board. I keep returning to it for support.
Deb A.
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Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 8:41 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Be sure to read the chapter about sulfites, Miss Kitty. Many of us who are MSG intolerant also react to sulfites. We're so happy to know that this site is so helpful to so many fellow MSG victims.
sara
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Posted on Monday, April 18, 2011 - 5:59 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I also have tonsil stones - just looking for anyone's ideas on them. I didn't know the name for them until a few weeks ago and trying to figure out what to do to get rid of them.

I pass these nasty yellow smelly balls every so often and have been trying to attack them with ideas I read online. I am sure mine are yeast based.
Roy Piwovar
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Posted on Monday, April 18, 2011 - 6:37 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

More on tonsilloliths:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonsillolith
bo'nana
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Posted on Monday, April 18, 2011 - 9:42 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

i never knew what these were before... both my husband & i occasionally spit up what we affectionately call 'flavour crystals'- yum! yum!
all i know about them is that they look like shriveled white raisins & smell... amazing. when i was a kid i used to get positively huge ones for a for a few years. i just assumed my tonsils eroded away.
wonder why dentists never seem to have anything to say about this phenomenon?
sara
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Posted on Monday, April 18, 2011 - 10:29 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I am not sure about dentists. I suspect they might not know what they are. I am getting the feeling in my reading a lot of medical ppl don't take them to be a problem as they are common.

I don't recall having them except for the last year or so. I can't recall exactly when they started but they come in small groups - couple one day then none for a month or so. The first ones were bigger than what I see now. I have had 6 small ones in the last 2 weeks.

What bothers me (and I haven't gone back to read my old info on when the first one showed it's presence) is neither ENT mentioned them.

They do refer pain to the ears and I have terrible left ear pains and fluid sensations and also I get a short burst of relief when one passes.
Di
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Posted on Tuesday, April 19, 2011 - 3:26 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

sara,
this was written November 06, 2007 by Carol Hoernlein, former food process engineer and food scientist, that touched on tonsils. http://www.msgmyth.com/discus/messages/8/658.html#POST20458

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OK, folks. The correlation=causation bad scientific reporters are at it again.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7080577.stm

They think sleeplessness CAUSES obesity.

What they never consider, but what we know to be true here is that MSG causes Obesity AND it also causes Sleeplessness. And so once again, their poor interpretation skills mistake another victim for the perp. They blame sleeplessness for the obesity while it is clearly MSG causing BOTH.

Be on the lookout for these ridiculous stories. It is usually two MSG symptoms seen together - Imagine that! But the media ALWAYS tries to blame one symptom for the other. Lately, it is gum disease and heart disease also. Well, if you are taking statin drugs - they cause CoQ10 deficiency - which leads to gum disease. OR if your high blood pressure is caused by MSG, and you become CoQ10 deficient due to constant assaults by neurotoxic MSG, the MSG caused CoQ10 deficiency WILL result in gum disease. And so, once again, MSG may indirectly cause gum disease while it is directly causing heart disease. Two symptoms of MSG, one being blamed (again) for the other. (That also may have something to do with the white things on tonsils - which I also used to get before avoiding MSG. CoQ10 is protective against bacterial invaders in the mouth.)

So be on the lookout for the correlation is causation bad science reporters. They're everywhere. The key buzz words preceding a story is always "risk factor". All that means is that they found that folks with one symptom often have the other. It does NOT mean that treating one symptom gets rid of the CAUSE of the other. I hope that makes sense. Poor interpretation of scientific studies doesn't help. It makes people run around like chickens without heads thinking they are curing themselves while they are only treating one symptom. Meanwhile, the real culprit gets away - literally, with murder.
sara
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Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 - 8:24 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I saw a new PCP on Monday. I saw a new one last month and already departed. I want to note that less than 48 hours after seeing this other person I had 2 stones come down yet they said they didn't see any on my tonsils. They might not have been there but didn't know to look elsewhere or maybe these things come up fast. I really don't know yet.

This one says the stones I have are actually from the salivary glands almost immediately. I took in a notes with quite a few phrases about these things, the ear pains, the burning and dry mouth etc. I also took in pictures of one that was 1/5 inch across from 2 weeks ago and took 2 smaller ones in inside a baggie from the day before.

I also said this was the most important issue - other things can wait. I felt I had to be very very assertive this time.

I am still in disbelief about the experience last month I had getting this long lecture about things that didn't fit me at all and when I had brought up the problem I had made the appt for there was this bad attitude as I was told to make another appointment (I was there for that appt). It was a really mess and I am glad to be gone from there.

This would explain a lot of the problems I have. I am expecting a referral to some kind of specialist.
bo'nana
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Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 - 6:12 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

wow... salivary stones? i never knew there could be such a thing :P

hope your new doc is a better help than the last!
sara
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Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 - 10:11 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I knew they existed and can be in any of the ducts but in the parotid is pretty rare I guess and I think the big ones have come from there. There are 3 major glands so 3 major ducts but lots of littler ones all over the mouth and some seem to be from there.

There is something going on to cause so many in such a short period of time. There have been over 50 in the past 2 1/2 months including 2 big 1/5 inch ones (I have graph paper that is 5 squares to the inch and it was one square wide).

Well if they are salivary gland stones or tonsil stones that are the big, something needs to happen to get them from reoccurring and I need to see someone who can figure it out - an ENT or an oral surgeon or someone like that.

I have horrendous left ear pains from something up there that gets worse each afternoon after our main meal and went through a work up 2 years ago to be told it was just nerve pain or TMJ but this time I went in with evidence.
Pat
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Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2011 - 11:34 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sara, I was talking to a friend just yesterday who had salivary stones about 10-11 yrs ago. She lived in NY at the time. Said she looked like a chipmunk & her upper mouth pallet bled.

After misdiagnoses with mainstream doctors, her Chinese husband suggested she see an acupuncturist who correctly diagnosed & treated her. I believe she was treated twice & has never had them return.
sara
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Posted on Sunday, June 19, 2011 - 2:46 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Pat,

Interesting - I don't look like a chipmunk - in fact I haven't seen a swollen gland in all of this - doesn't mean it isn't there or hasn't been. I am thinking now that the swollen gland my husband had a few years ago was possibly this.

I went over my diary and found there was a 3rd 1/5 inch stone in the last 3 months and one of those was noon. I am unaware of bleeding but I do get all these nasty and metallic tastes so really don't know what all is draining into my mouth.

I see an OT for trigger point and cranial sacral therapy - the pain was diagnosed as TMJ 2 years ago by the first ENT I saw and that is what got me in the door to see her. I have never accepted all of this pain is TMJ and she realizes that.

I do have an ENT appt now - was told to take in the pictures and the stones by the doc I saw on Monday. It's going to be interesting to see him as he isn't the first ENT I saw 2 years ago but the second. I am also wondering if this was the problem about 15 years ago when I also saw an ENT for left ear pain and again about 10 years ago too and I had left ear pain when we moved here too but never as intense as the last 2 1/2 years but these stones are recent phenomena.

The mucus has been coming down this past few days fairly well and regularly but does stop during the night. I have been drinking lime juice soda - using 1 ounce in glass of seltzer. I think that is helping.
Pat
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Posted on Sunday, June 19, 2011 - 4:21 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sara,
Assume you've Googled & watched the YouTube videos:

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&source=hp&q=salivary+stones&aq=4s&aqi=g-s5&aql=&oq=salavary+&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=905e9081899b75b1&biw=1024&bih=546

May the FORCE be with you in resolving this problem.
Pat
sara
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Posted on Sunday, June 19, 2011 - 4:37 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

oh yes I have

I watched the gross one in parts - and found the second on this site more interesting -

http://www.parotid.net/sialendoscopy.php

I have seen stones on the order of the smaller two of those 3 removed.

this the parotid gland not the sub-maxillary that bothers me - there might be stones in more than one however.

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