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Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 4:23 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi all, My name is Marie I am 30 years old I have 2 children an 11 year old and a 5 year old. I have recently found this site and love it. I have been msg sensitive for years my symtoms include dizzyness,stomach pain,brain fog, hyperness,athsma, lots of others but none involve the heart. My concern is for my 5 year old daughter every since she was about 2 she has really weird symptoms stomach pain,headache,fast pounding heart. I have taken her to a cardiolgist he thought she was showing symptoms of svt(super venticular tacicardia) a condition that usually requires some surgery.She was placed on a monitor at home they found nothing. The heart doctor has told me to go back to her reg. doc. to get tested for athsma. she still has symtoms sometimes and its really scary. I dont beleive she has athsma. Anyone out there have anything simular? Thanks so much for reading this.
LaurenC
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Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 10:29 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Marie. I am just like your daughter, well, add a couple or 35 years. I started having episodes of SVT beginning at age 15. However, I was not diagnosed with SVT until about 2 years ago. It took that long to get an EKG of my heart when one was happening.

Last February I had the ablation procedure you are referring to. I finally made the decision to have the procedure after 3 episodes where my heart rate was at 240 for over 40 minutes and I had to call an ambulance to have an injection for it to stop. After the procedure, I continued to have regular daily "mini" episodes, although they were not as severe and did not last as long.

Enter my discovery of MSG. I kid you not, these episodes are now COMPLETELY gone, unless I accidentally ingest something with MSG. I'm pretty upset now at having had the ablation procedure and wonder if it was ever really necessary (I'm thinking no, but of course I'll never know for sure). None of the doctors even mentioned MSG as a possible cause, and this angers me beyond angry.

Have you tried eliminating ALL MSG, preservatives, and other chemicals from her diet? I know how scary SVT is, and I hope you get this resolved soon. Please let me know how it turns out.
Lisa Marie
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Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 2:27 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Please don't forget how sulfites can also cause this stuff. You have probably seen that by hanging out here. But you might want to look up the set of problems for people who are sensitive to sulfites.
Deb A.
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Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 3:08 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I agree with Lauren. Please go to our homepage at www.msgmyth.com and read the list of MSG containing aliases or MSG cousins, as we call them. If your daughter is eating something that may contain any of the these, she may be reacting with the rapid heart beat, very common to MSG sensitive individuals. My son-in-law was rushed to the hospital countless times for that condition until he finally believed his wife that he had to stop eating MSG laden foods at lunch time. Is she eating yogurt every day or some luncheon meat?...both contain MSG. Do you give her vitamins? Most contain glutamate, aspartame if chewable, dyes and flavorings. Brilliant blue and Yellow 5 (quinaline), msg and aspartame were named as the causes for ADD in children in a study done at the University of Liverpool last year. Think of all the other symptoms children must be suffering, considering that their blood brain barriers aren't even developed yet. Just ideas to share.
Tom Fernstrom
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 8:13 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Marie,

For years I didn't know that my MSG reaction was Atrial Fibrillation. Unless one is in tune with one's heart, a rapid pulse rate can cause a multitude of related symptoms that seem disassociated. These symptoms include dizziness, night sweats, coughing, anxiety, rage, etc., etc. Can you imagine a child trying to handle these symptoms?

As LaurenC describes, once I made the MSG connection, I was able to get my heart rate back to a normal sinus rhythm with MSG abstention -- something the heart doctors couldn't do with attempts of Cardio version (shock to the heart). Back when I had my A-Fib, Catheter Ablation was pretty new and doctors felt that if didn't work, the patient might have to have a pacemaker placed. They thought that at 46, I was too young. Thank God.

But back to your daughter. Please do anything you can to train her about MSG abstention. It could save her life.
Jaye
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Posted on Tuesday, October 04, 2011 - 7:02 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I am here almost three years after your posting Marie. I hope your daughter is going well. On my side, for the time being, my reaction to MSG is t-e-r-r-i-b-l-e headaches every single time I eat food in which MSG has been added.
Now, I have started to suffer from paroxysmal supraventricular tachycardia and no specialist (internist or cardiologist) can tell me the reason for this. My heart is in good condition, I am (otherwise) a very healthy person and have been very sportive when younger. I am told that for some persons it just happens with age and we are born with it. I am 42 and personally, I don't find svt normal with age! I am starting to think that my condition might be related to something that I eat and that does not do me good such as MSG or other things of that sort. My cardiologist suggested that one cure for me might be catheter ablation with no guaranteed result, but so far, I have refused, because I believe that with proper care to food, rest and healthy lifestyle, many diseases can be cured. I was prescribed medication to be taken when episodes occur.
Please use prudence when considering treatment for your daughter. The vast majority of doctors have no idea about, and disregard completely, the impacts that quality food and a particularly adapted lifestyle may have on the health of their patients. They know treatments and their obligations are to propose them. And many times, what they propose is what is required. Now, it is very difficult sometimes to put the information together, weigh and assess the situation and make health choices. In my situation, my health allows me to try and find what is the trigger of my svt and eliminate it if it is some types of poisonous food. I wish you the very best for your daughter. I too have a daughter (3) and a son (16 months).
Di
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Posted on Wednesday, October 05, 2011 - 9:53 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jaye, Paroxysmal supraventricular tachycardia (PSVT) is an occasional rapid heart rate, which many people who come here have reported as a symptom. And many who have gone on the no-msg diet have come back to report that they were much improved. I believe you are right, that with proper care to food, etc, many diseases and conditions can be reversed. Doctors do not study much in the way of how diet relates to illness or symptoms, they just prescribe tests and drugs. Thank goodness for the internet so we can do our own research. It may take quite a while to determine a course of treatment and which foods/chemicals trigger a reaction, but with a diet change and patience I'm sure you will see a difference in how you feel. Almost all the foods out there that you don't prepare organically, from scratch, have unwanted additives. This is the best website and forum to get answers and advice. Many of the posters have been posting for years (even though they now feel good).
Jaye
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Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2011 - 8:07 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks Di. I have already started the changes: only simple food that is not processed and enough sleeping time and I already feel better. There have started to be days where I don't have palpitations. Normally, I would have had them a few times a day and have struggled to prevent onsets of SVT. Imagine, with full-time work and two babies... Deb's website got me amazed at how much MSG I was/am eating without even knowing it. I'm still learning.
In my quest, I also was brought to this website: http://www.ewg.org/skindeep/
I realized that make-up I've been using for years contains (relatively)large amounts of neurotoxins. I KNEW there was something wrong because I was starting to get headaches when applying it and I was feeling good with no make-up on or removing it right away. And it was not cheap make-up. Like you say, thanks goodness for the internet so we can do our own research and share experiences. All the best to you on this forum!
AdaLovelace
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Posted on Friday, October 07, 2011 - 6:40 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jaye, I LOVE that website. I'm on it all the time. I found aluminum (which like MSG is also neurotoxic to the brain) in ALL of my makeup. And it's just like you said--it's in all of the $$$ stuff, too.
ali
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Posted on Saturday, October 08, 2011 - 2:08 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I just changed all my pans from aluminium to stainless steel and have seen another leap in my brain clarity if you get what i mean. Aluminium is also in most deodorants too. Ive just ordered some aluminium free but it hasnt arrived yet.
Di
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Posted on Saturday, October 08, 2011 - 6:01 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Here is another source to look up cosmetic ingredients

http://www.hallgold.com/toxic-chemical-ingredients-directory.htm#silicone
LisaS
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Posted on Saturday, October 08, 2011 - 6:39 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

There is another avenue that should be looked at with heart issues. Although I do believe that MSG is bad for everyone, I know see extreme MSG sensitivity as a symptom, not just a cause, of health issues.

We just did a genetic test for our son and he has a combination of genetic mutations that are implicated in a whole variety of conditions and one of the side effects is extreme excitotoxin sensitivity. Here's one website, heartfixer.com/AMRI-Outcomes-Non-CV-Autism-Methyl Cycle.htm (make sure the space doesn't break the link, maybe c/p) that I refer to often. My son has CBS +/+, ACE +/+ and MTHFR A1298C +/- ...the ACE is implicated in heart issues and the CBS combines nastily with the MTHFR to create excitotoxin sensitivity. Another book I'm about to order is On Hope and Healing: For Those Who Have Fallen Through the Medical Cracks (http://www.amazon.com/Hope-Healing-Fallen-Through-Medical/dp/0982818408) as I've heard that discusses it as well in detail.

With supplements his sensitivity is abating slightly. He is still on Namenda and 25 supplements or so, and still very sensitive...but after we added Arginine and a couple of other supplements to our list (which I have no doubt combined with others and didn't work alone), he can tolerate minor infractions here and there.

I know that's not much info to go on, sorry.

Lisa
AdaLovelace
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Posted on Saturday, October 08, 2011 - 12:02 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh great. I just got this expensive cookware set for my wedding. I checked and it's all made from aluminum. :-( I guess I'll start replacing some pieces slowly!
Di
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Posted on Saturday, October 08, 2011 - 3:30 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ada, Do you know if it is 'hard-anodized' aluminum cookware?
AdaLovelace
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Posted on Saturday, October 08, 2011 - 4:18 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Di,
This is the set we got:
http://www.amazon.com/Cuisinart-GW-10-Greenware-Nonstick-10-Piece/dp/B001NIZ7C4/ref=wr_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=IJMZH5D9BE1FZ&colid=3074434CSOEIO

It's the "Cuisinart Greenware Nonstick 10-Piece Cookware Set," and it features "aluminum construction with petroleum-free interior/exterior and ceramic-based nonstick surface for quick cleanup"
ali
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Posted on Saturday, October 08, 2011 - 10:45 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I believe the anodized aluminium cookware is safe to use. But mine were old cheap nasty pans that i bought some years back when i thought a pan was just a pan. I have an anodized pan that i kept hold of that i bought some time later when i was aware of the aluminium issue. I guess the manufacture can advise you if they are anodized.
Di
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Posted on Sunday, October 09, 2011 - 4:21 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ada, I've tried to find this set on Cuisinart's website but couldn't. They have something called Green Gourmet (which is hard-anodized) but not Greenware, so I don't know if it's the same of not. Other websites offer a more indepth description of the Greenware which make it sound safe, but not coming from Cuisinart I'm not sure of its accuracy. I guess I'd call Cuisinart to find out more about it, or was there a more indepth description that came with the set?

This is what Cuisinart says about their GreenGourmet line: Cuisinart® is leading the way in eco-friendly branded cookware with our new GreenGourmet™ line. Exclusive Cuisinart Ceramica™ nonstick technology is ceramic based instead of petroleum based, helping to conserve existing oil supplies and the coating is applied at a temperature one half that of conventional nonsticks. And it’s completely free of PTFE and PFOA. The cookware’s hard anodized construction provides high heat conductivity, which requires less energy to reach desired cooking temperatures. Riveted stainless handles stay cool on the stovetop and are made from 70% recycled stainless steel. Today, more and more home cooks are going green… and so is Cuisinart® cookware!
AdaLovelace
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Posted on Sunday, October 09, 2011 - 6:25 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Di and Ali: THANK YOU!

I am going to hold on to these, but I'll get rid of them as soon as that non stick coating starts peeling off. I will look into getting some steel cookware. If you have any brand suggestions, please let me know. My husband and I are in the market for a lot of new cooking supplies, seeing as we JUST started cooking, haha. :-)
Di
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Posted on Sunday, October 09, 2011 - 7:25 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

There is probably much advice out there for stainless steel cookware. I have heard for a couple of years that All-Clad was good but here is an article on the subject.

http://www.natural-health-guide.com/best-stainless-steel-cookware.html

Something else I look for is how smoothly polished the inside is. It seems that most moderate to lower priced stainless cookware has a somewhat rough (often in a circular pattern) inside surface. I found that when you go to scrub the pan the water turns gray - scary - must be the metal coming off. This doesn't happen when the pan has a high polish on the inside. I'm not sure which brand is best.
ali
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Posted on Monday, October 10, 2011 - 12:18 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thats true about some of the cheaper pans i first bought Di. Scared the heck out of me.....Money is tight here these days and i was delighted to find a full set of Chef Pro 3000 pans when i was doing a house clearance for a friend (cleaning up and emptying the house ready for new tennants.) I found them in the shed and she kindly let me take them.Didnt cost me a cent, just a bit of elbow grease to get them sparkling and ready to go. Ive picked up another good quality pan in a charity shop (thrift shop) too. Im really happy with the Chef Pro pans. Not sure you see that make over in the states?? They are pretty spendy for sure to buy new, but they should last a lifetime.
ali
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Posted on Monday, October 10, 2011 - 12:20 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Just had a quick google for Pro Chef Pans and it appears they dont do stainless steel pans anymore...oops. Im wondering now , just how old my pans are!!
AdaLovelace
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Posted on Monday, October 10, 2011 - 8:08 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ali, thanks for the info. That's neat that you stumbled across some nice stainless steel pans. I call that synchronicity!
ali
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Posted on Monday, October 10, 2011 - 10:56 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

yes, synchronicity.....happens a lot!!Hope you find some pans soon! x
cathy218
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Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2012 - 10:26 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Lisa S, Hoping you see this message. I was recently tested for MTHFR and am homo for it. Not sure about CMS as the doc didnt test for that. Did you do a full gnetic panel like 123andme or Yasko? I am highly MSG allergic also any citrate versions of minerals. Eager to hear your SUCCESSES.
LisaS
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Posted on Saturday, December 15, 2012 - 3:31 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Cathy! I try to check the group every week or so.

My son has had the Yasko panel and I've only had MTHFR (when I was struggling with recurrent miscarriage).

We've had fairly good luck with a combination of supplements and Namenda to reduce our son's sensitivity to glutamate / improve his quality of life but are still pretty strict. He takes Magnesium glycinate, Taurine, GABA, B6, K2, Milk Thistle, melatonin, molybdenum and a bunch of other stuff.

Have you seen the yahoo group cfs_yasko? It's a good group, you might check it out. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CFS_Yasko
Lee
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Posted on Friday, August 28, 2015 - 1:15 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Irritant in Electrode adhesive or sticky pad? Does anyone know if there's something bad in the sticky pad of the ecg electrode?
I had an echocardiogram recently and have welts from the pads they stick on your skin.
sara
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Posted on Saturday, August 29, 2015 - 4:44 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I would contact the doctor's office or lab and ask for a copy of the MSDS for the products - if they can't provide it at least find the manufacturer of the products and look online at their site or contact them.

There are ppl allergic to some of the glues used on the pads.
Lee
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Posted on Monday, August 31, 2015 - 4:30 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks Sara. I did not know that was available. I did call the lab earlier and got the runaround and had no luck blindly googling sticky pads. So I will try again with more specific questions.
mrbill0626
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Posted on Sunday, October 25, 2015 - 5:47 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Di,

Your web site above doesn't say anything about pans, at least that I can see. It's mostly about Aloe Vera. What is going on?

Thanks

Bill

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