| Author | Message | ||
| Anonymous |
OK, I bought a bottle of Wish Bone Ranch dressing the other day and made a little green salad last night. The dressing was good but what happened after was not good. I figured that salad dressing of things wouldn't have MSG. It didn't even cross my mind. Anyway, I had the usual reaction to MSG: HORRIBLE nightmares. After I finally woke up. I looked at the bottle of salad dressing. The stuff was loaded with MSG. Needless to say, it is on its way to the dump where it belongs. Any other people here have bad nightmares after eating something with MSG? | ||
| Deb A. |
Always! | ||
| Roy Piwovar
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Anonymous, MSG is a recognized cause of sleep disturbances: http://www.merck.com/pubs/mmanual_home/sec6/64.htm | ||
| Carol H |
Great Link Roy. Now that I was able to get back online properly - (couldn't upload for a week), that one will definitely go on the MSGTruth site. | ||
| clarissa |
hi all, has anyone reacted to muir glen org. tom. paste or org. tom. puree(muir glen also)or florida crystals org cane sugar i reacted strongly and dont know what i reacted to. my legs are itchy cut and bleeding w/sores that wont heal for days i went to bed and my neck was stiff and inflamed severe pain in my spine feet tingling morning woke up with same pain .ate pizza from rest.no reaction as in the past . but as soon as i ate org spag. w/f raised beef /org tom. products reaction came on suddenly.any similar symptoms or reactions anyone.? how can i narrow it down to know what is the cause ?any suggestsions are appreciated.thanks | ||
| Carol H |
Clarissa, you may be one of the very sensitive ones who react to tomatoes and other "natural" glutamate. I would suggest you also may want to avoid cheese, mushrooms, corn and peas as well as algea and seaweed until you know how you react to these. For this reason, I don't like to say that "natural" free glutamate is safer than manmade. Look at diabetes - the blood sugar is high. Regardless of how it got that way, too much blood sugar (glucose) is bad, and can actually be deadly - no matter how natural it is. We must get out of that trap of "natural" is good, manmade is bad. In the case of glutamate, even an excess of the kind of free glutamate that is "natural" - during a stroke, can be catastrophic. I have always felt the argument that "natural" glutamate is safe weakens our case, because "natural" glutamate actually can cause just as much trouble as manmade. | ||
| SJ |
Help me figure this out. I thought natural glutamates were bound glutamates and that natural glutamates became free glutamates if they were in food too ripe or long cooked. In that case a mushroom would be have natural bound glutamates unless over ripe or cooked. ? | ||
| Carol H |
SJ, some foods naturally have high amounts of free glutamate. The difference between the manmade forms of free glutamate that don't exist in nature, and the free glutamate naturally found is explained by Jack and Adrienne Samuels on the http://www.truthinlabeling.org site. | ||
| SJ |
Thanks. Maybe I read it wrong but he says "truly natural glutamate does not cause adverse reactions" and in paraphrase, 'natural glutamic acid does not bring contaminants while processed free glutamic acid always contains contanimants'. I really didn't see where he says there is no difference between natural gluatmates (or called free) and manmade, what he calls "processed free glutamic acid". | ||
| Deb A. |
Glutamate has to be unbound to be absorbed into the blood stream....freed from other proteins. It can become free on the vine when glutamate rich produce gets too ripe, by over cooking, from high temperatures, from the action of enzymes, bacteria, acids and alkalies...and it can be freed by stomach acids and the digestive process. So Carol is right, free glutamate is free glutamate no matter the source. Contaminants in the form of carcenogens, sulfur residues if food grade (whatever that is supposed to mean!)sulfuric acid is used to break down source material, d-glutamic acid (not found in nature), and probably other unhealthy substances are found in factory made MSG...all add up to chemical cuisine and perhaps they do intensify a reaction to food sprinkled with it..plus it is more readily absorbed by the blood stream, by-passing the need for digestion. That's probably the biggest disadvantage of factory created MSG over bound glutamate. Many highly sensitive people, such as fibromyalgia sufferers need to avoid tomatoes and other foods high in glutamate...they just add to the arsenal of free glutamate...some tomatoes are very ripe when canned and then cooking breaks glutamate down even more. Even if organic, AuxiGro may be finding its way to some tomato growers. I think a lot of organic growers in California have embraced the use of metabolic primers like AuxiGro since it is considered a "natural" substance, and it works. At least the bugs are smart enough not to eat the stuff. | ||
| SJ |
Deb A and Carol, thank you for the help. Maybe I can figure this out some day. | ||
| Deb A. |
Hi SJ. Don't know if I helped you at all. I want to add that glutamate is an amino acid and is found in most foods, including meats, beans, fruits, and vegetables and milk. True, in its natural form as found in these foods, it is probably safer for the average person. But for the person who cannot metabolize and rid the body of a build up of excess glutamate, it is wiser to avoid or eat less of foods that are highest in natural bound glutamate, such as tomatoes, mushrooms, milk, peas, eggplant, and more. The body will eventually break down or digest the bound glutamate in foods into a form that the body can more easily absorb, and though this will take more time, it will still add to the amount of glutamate in our system that could set off an eventual reaction (cumulative effect). Eliminate a suspected food and see how you feel and then slowly re-introduce it. We all have different thresholds of tolerance for glutamate. The more we can avoid, the better we will feel. | ||
| Deb A. |
Clarissa, I reread your post above, and I also wanted to tell you that if you cook tomatoes too long, you will free the bound glutamate in them. It's hydrolysis in the kitchen. And if you simmer meat in a liquid for too long, again free glutamate will be created. We have heard from a lot of people who react to pasta made in the U./S., organic or not. I do better with pasta made in Italy. I am not sure why this is so, but it may have to do with the vitamin carrier. Are you using a good olive oil? Most of us here do better with olive oil as opposed to vegetable oil, which can contain corn and soy bean oil. These can contain glutamate and/or preservatives. | ||
| R. Mackey |
Over the last few years I became of the opinion that MSG was causing me to have nightmares. My totally unscientific, anecdotal study has proven this to be true. | ||
| DJ |
Hi R.Mackey, Welcome to the board! Yes, many here including myself and my daughter get severe nightmares when eating MSG. That is just a small part of the connection, please stay and learn more! DJ | ||
| clarissa |
hello trying to eat some fruit / veggies have prob w/them cant fix the problem they make me sick w the preservatives as well as the salicylates in them . MY ? IS HOW CAN u tell the real culprit is it the salic . or the preserv. ? also how do u stay healthy w all theese allergies clarissa | ||
| clarissa |
forgot to say have bad dreams when i eat this food stuff avoiding most foods and veryweak and hard moving on all help apreciated | ||
| DJ |
Hi clarissa! welcome to our board.... the first thing you should do, is make sure that everything you are eating is free from ALL monosodium glutamate, as well as sulfites and nitrates, which many of us also have a sensitivity to as well.... fresh fruits, vegetables, and whole foods (no perservatives or chemicals...drink a lot of bottled water...and start from there...you have to start reading labels....if you can, get the cookbook that Deb offers on here....try to stay away from tomatoes, if you are having a problem with them...you could be very sensitive to msg, as tomatoes have a great deal of natural glutamate in them..... I get nightmares, too....unfortunately, it is a problem with MSG sensitivity....do a word search on this board..for anything you have questions about....chances are the answers have been posted many times...... | ||
| Deb A. |
I've discovered that many people who visit this board don't get the full picture of where glutamate or sulfites are hiding in their food, drinks, cosmetics and meds. For example, when they give up their fast foods and processed foods, that's a great thing. However, when they try to eat more vegetables, they eat some from the can or frozen ones, never aware that most are treated with preservatives, especially sulfites. Many canned veggies contain traces of MSG, added to prevent a "tinny" taste from the can. I suggest only using organic canned or frozen vegetables (and fruits) and fresh ones. Also, many fresh veggies, such as broccoli and lettuces, even apples and citrus are sprayed with a waxy coating that contains preservatives. I now fill a large bowl with warm water a few drops of Dawn dish detergent. I swish them well, and rinse well to remove the coating...I do this with all fruits and veggies. To test, just rinse a head of broccoli with water, and then treat another bunch with the detergent wash and rinse. You should see the difference between the dull green of the first and the bright deep green of the latter. Peel your apples for the best results if avoiding ppreservatives. There are so many hidden sources of glutamate from pills and low fat milk to toothpaste and flavored beverages. Please learn all you can to avoid them. | ||
| clarissa |
dj ive been at this for 2 yrs only thing seems to help is starving myself im not joking either got debs book and think i could have stock in the bottled water co. ha ha !! physical symp i c an deal with its the pscyche sympt that are hard . hate to sound like im in the depressed mode im so tired of being weak and sick.thanks for trying | ||
| Whitney |
hello hello from Hong Kong. I am a vegetarian, and recently moved to Hong Kong. I also know that I am allergic to MSG (nightmares), and need to know how I can deal with that here and still maintain a healthy vegetarian diet. I was doing okay until last night, when I had my first MSG dream in a very long time. Thanks for any help! | ||
| Roy Piwovar
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Below is the replacement link to an article implicating MSG in sleep disturbances: http://www.merck.com/mrkshared/mmanual_home2/sec06/ch081/ch081a.jsp | ||
| Deb A. |
Whitney, do you eat out alot? If so, your chances of eating too much MSG are good, especially where you live. Try to tell waiters of your "allergy" to MSG, and that includes sauces such as soy, oyster, bean, and fish, which are all high in MSG. Ask for plain vegetables in your dishes seasoned with garlic, red pepper, if you like, and salt. Tofu is also high in glutamate, the harmful component of MSG. If you eat a lot of meat substitute items, you are also getting a lot of glutamate, which is an amino acid of protein, found in many grains, and beans. We don't know what your typical diet consists of?? | ||
| Susan
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I had the most intense and realistic nightmare of my life last night. After not being able to fall asleep for a long time (very unusual for me), I finally did and about 2 hours later had the most horrible nightmare I've ever had......woke up screaming and remembered everything. I attribute it to the MSG in the chicken broth I ate a couple of hours before bed. Every now and then I get a nasty reaction to the stuff.....I hope it never happens again. SUSAN | ||
| Deb A. |
Yes, Susan, that is one of the ways I react to MSG. No wonder sleep disorders are on the rise. I hope you don't eat any more processed chicken soup or other foods that contain MSG. | ||
| Zara. |
I'm glad I saw this site, it's good to know as I've only recently connected my nightmares with eating MSG-laden foods before bed. The nightmares I get after eating foods with MSG are horrific, and I wanted to know if MSG is indeed known to do this. Knowing it does will help a lot... | ||
| Pam E. |
Zara, I too have really strange dreams (not sure I would label them as nightmares) when I have ingested MSG laden foods by accident. I did notice that they subsided when I started avoiding MSG. Good Luck!! Pam E. | ||
| Darren V.
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I have been looking for a link between food and my having nightmares for a while now. However, I have not found MSG to be my problem but have found it to be garlic instead. Has anyone else checked to see if it's the garlic instead of the MSG that is causing their nightmares? | ||
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| Donna Meyers
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I am serverly allergic to salic acids and have removed all cosemetics and soaps from my life. Its the food items that are extremely difficult to deal with. Home cooked foods seem to be my only answer and still its difficult. Word to the wise BEER is something to definitely avoid. | ||
| HelenW |
I have been at my computer since 3.30 am when I dreamed vividly that my three year old was hit by a car. I heard him scream and I saw him lying in a ditch. I know that MSG gives my these horrible nightmares but I prepared my own fried rice from scratch and these was no indication of MSG on any of the foods that went into it. I now know that either the tinned clams or the soy sauce were to blame. Why are we allowed to suffer at the hands of food manufacturing businesses in this way? I also suffer unbearable thirst, dry coughs and headaches. I live in Australia and we tend to think we a have a clean environment, but I don't think that any food producer can be trusted anymore. Thank-you for the infomation on your site and the sense that I'm not alone in this. | ||
| MEMorrisNJ
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Soy sauce --- the worst!! Happened to me years ago before learning about MSG. I ended up fainting in a restaurant, having terrible d. and getting carted off to the hospital by ambulance --- the emergency room docs didn't know what to do. | ||
| Anonymous |
Ein Schloss, Ein Wurst, Ein Kopf !xxs | ||
| Anonymous Posted From: 76.10.156.83 |
Garlic has high levels of free L-Glutamic acid. In fact, this is the first food I noticed a sensitivity to MSG. I first thought I was allergic to garlic. But I didn't really seem to have a histamine response, but rather a flushed feeling and sweating around my eyes. See the link below. Total glutamate (bound & free) in garlic is around 30% and total free amino acid can range from 1100-3100 mg/100g, thus total free L-Glutamic acid would range from 300-1000mg/100g. This means it can be almost as high as Parmesan cheese. Real shame too because I love garlic and it's in almost everything. http://www.ars.usda.gov/research/publications/Publications.htm?seq_no_115=181468 | ||
| Anonymous Posted From: 209.204.178.27 |
On the bright side, it's tough to eat 100g of garlic. One or two cloves for a batch of food is usually enough to me. It's interesting that you found that - before finding out about MSG, I thought I may have had a garlic allergy too. Jennifer | ||
| Dianne Unregistered guest |
If you are one of the people who are extremely sensitive, than garlic may bother you. But compared to many other foods, especially when you consider the quantity you might consume, it is quite low in glutamate - at least according to the chart I looked at. I am glad I am not super sensitive, because garlic is soooo tasty and good for you too. |
