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Posted on Wednesday, July 24, 2013 - 9:15 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

This is a long post but I wanted to describe everything that's happened to me this past year but in short form.All these symptoms seemed to start right after using weightlifting supplements (didnt know they are filled with msg) . My problems started with chest tightness in March 2012.Then April I got muscle tension in my back followed by tingling upper teeth and Dizzyness + anxiety and acid reflux

This progressed into facial pain which I thought was tmj ,then sensativity to light.I had weird pain just below my kidneys like buttock muscle tension.I tried no dairy,no gluten , no caffeine but for months on things kept getting worse.I got post nasal drip and more body pain like tense calfs,forearms,hand cramps,neck stiffness(back of neck) etc. These symptoms would (and still do) come and go in waves .I get cold feet sometime shortness of breath and a dull numbing ache right below my left lung,seems digestive though.This fades over time but its annoying and alarming.Like everyone here I'm sure, I got tested heavily for diabetese,thyroid,liver,echoscan,EKG,cpk muscle tests,MRI spine,X-ray after X-ray,blood test white/red cell,lyme tests,colieac tests,hep tests,endoscopy upper etc etc.

With that said I never get headaches but the rest hits like a hammer in sequence .Now I'm suspecting msg but my questions to you good folks are 1: does msg accumilate in the body? I heard that some fibro people cured themselves but it took 1-3 months before their pain left? Which means msg is a bugger to get out of the system? And also compounds in the body?
2: do my symptoms seem plausible? Cuz my doctors are stumped! I forgot to add I get itchy butt(if you know what I mean) and itchy hemrroids plus on/off constipation or overdrive system when this happens.My worst symptom is my aching hips or buttock muscles not sure which it is,I do know I feel 80 yrs old walking sometimes.Im 37! Male for gods sake!!
Roy Piwovar
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Posted on Wednesday, July 24, 2013 - 9:02 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Anonymous, I would keep a diary of everything you ingest, with the date, time, brand and quantity. If you see a pattern start to emerge you will find your answer. I would also check everything consumable in the house against the hidden MSG food list. Even if it isn't MSG, the food diary may reveal what the problem is, what to avoid, and what helps. Sometimes it is even things that are normally considered healthy that are causing the problems.
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Posted on Thursday, July 25, 2013 - 10:45 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi anonymous. Please don't get discouraged about waiting 1-3 months to see results. It takes some people longer to detox than others. For some, the relief of discontinuing MSG is instant!! The key is to take it just one day at a time, and if that is too long, then one meal at a time. :-) Or one bite at a time. :-) Good luck and please let us know how it goes!
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Posted on Thursday, July 25, 2013 - 3:46 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Anon, MSG can accumulate if you ingest it (or FGA) daily. I know I can get away with a tiny bit one time, but if I have it two days in a row I'm going to pay. It usually does take more than a few days to get rid of all the symptoms....for me it took several weeks and I kept feeling better and better over 6 months. It had caused lot of inflammation and it took my body time to heal.
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Posted on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 7:23 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi anon,
I can very much relate to the tingling teeth, though for me it's more like my mouth and nose area all go numb. Also the itching, and anxiety. I agree with the suggestion about keeping a food diary. After I quit gluten, I was still having some problems with a rash I had, but it was improving. I then discovered that some of the hidden names for MSG as well as sulfites were also causing problems. There actually is some overlap in some of the lists (msg and sulfites), such as corn syrup.
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Posted on Sunday, July 28, 2013 - 6:04 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have two thoughts for you. First, although glutamates do accumulate in the system, my personal experience is that it is possible to trigger glutamate sensitivity when you have had little to none before. For me this seemed to be almost overnight. Suddenly I was getting symptoms from even very small amounts of ingredients that I had never seemed to react to before. (And since my son has been sensitive to glutamate for years, I knew what was in what I was eating, and I was just stupid). Also, when you first start out, you pretty much never find all of the sources.

It might be easier to look on this site for the test diet and start from a baseline, but if you want to try to work backwards and get rid of everything, check this list:
It took me quite a few months to figure out all the things our family needed to eliminate, which I list here:

Okay, so here is my other thought. When you went on these weight building supplements, did you change your diet towards other "healthy" foods at the same time? A lot of your symptoms sound like mine from oxalate. I've had joint pain for years, and no one could figure it out, and then finally someone on an email list suggested autoimmune and/or oxalate sensitivity. If those are the choices, I'm glad it's the latter :-) There have been recent discussions on this board if you search for oxalate, but in general if you added a lot of almond flour, nuts, green smoothies, spinach, chard (especially either of these raw), beans, or chocolate, (and even if you didn't) it's possible that you are sensitive to oxalate.
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Posted on Tuesday, July 30, 2013 - 6:03 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Can definitely all be from food. Can definitely take a long time. Taurine (inhibitory neurotransmitter) counteracts glutamate (excitatory neurotransmitter) and accumulates in the body. Had I known about taurine sooner, I'd have begun taking it sooner. Has been my lifesaver, after cleaning up my diet. It'w worth a try! Cheap, pure, american made taurine powder is available online at I was taking 2000mg 2x per day initially. Now I take it only when I get muscle twitches (my main msg reaction). Good luck! Hope you feel better soon!

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