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sparkler
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Posted on Thursday, June 10, 2010 - 7:53 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I read that many seeds are high in free glutamates. Is this the same for sunflower oil?

I have a vegetable oil in the cupboard blended with sunflower oil but I am not sure if I should use it or not.

If not, what is the best type of oil for cooking for glutamate sensitive souls like me?
kristy
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Posted on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 11:58 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I think there are many different schools of thought on cooking oils and some use canola for cooking. I would say that I am on the extreme end of the cooking oil philosophy since I am allergic to corn. I don't use any vegetable or seed oils. There are corn-free brands but I don't have the inclination (or money) to try them out looking for them. I don't use soy or canola oil because they are so high in pesticide residue and commonly made from genetically engineered crops.

Oils are hard to figure. I was using sunflower oil (organic) but had a corn reaction. I finally read somewhere that the oil manufacturers use citric acid (gmo corn derivative) to "degum" the thick oil once it is extracted. That explained my corn reaction to non-corn oil. Now, I cook with pure butter, ghee, coconut oil, extra virgin olive oil or animal fat that I render myself (I render the fat from my grassfed side of beef for tallow). I make sure all of those contain only the ingredients they are supposed to have and do very well with them.

There are supposed to be many health benefits from coconut oil. I just know that it makes an excellent shortening substitute and we like it in sweets.
EmilyS
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Posted on Monday, June 14, 2010 - 7:51 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I use olive oil for just about everything now (pure olive oil or extra virgin olive oil) and have been very pleased with the results.

(sorry for the lack of posts lately. I had a huge relapse with the nerve pain I've been experiencing from the accident I had last year and it has been impossible to read these past two months. I'm finally starting to get a little relief from the pain through a chiropractor. My nerves were damaged during the accident but we didn't realize I had also twisted my neck and cut down on the blood supply to my brain.

The chiropractor treatments are giving us hope that my nerves may heal and this pain will go away. It's a very slow process. I'll probably be away from this site for a few more months. I'm so grateful for all of you that are here answering questions and helping everyone out. Thank you!
Roy Piwovar
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Posted on Tuesday, June 15, 2010 - 1:29 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

EmilyS,

When my dad was unable to raise his head to watch TV I gave him a pair of these:

http://www.dynamic-living.com/product/angled-glasses-bed-spectacles#clear
kristy
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Posted on Tuesday, June 15, 2010 - 9:41 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Emily,
I hate to hear of your nerve pain, I know from experience how debilitating it can be. I'm glad to hear that you found some relief. Hopefully you will soon get completely healed.
Di
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Posted on Tuesday, June 15, 2010 - 3:39 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

EmilyS, I have missed your posts and wondered why you haven't been here. So sorry to hear about your relapse with the nerve pain, I know how bad nerve pain can be. And that's awful about the lack of blood to your brain, you poor dear....I sure hope that is getting better. Take it easy and I'll be thinking about you. Godspeed.
Mariann
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Posted on Wednesday, June 16, 2010 - 5:55 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Emily so sorry to hear of your nerve pain. Thanks to my chripractor I am free of back pain now, they are like miracle workers to me. I have been reading the posts and moving forward a little at a time. You are all so great stepping up and helping the new people. My best to all of you. Mariann
carlos
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Posted on Monday, April 02, 2012 - 7:32 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I just want to echo the recommendation on olive oil. It's about the only oil I use. It tastes great and it's extremely healthy. I was at a local health fair recently and they were handing out samples of different brands, and I was surprised to find that the brand and whether or not it is extra virgin really matters, so try some different ones to see which one you like best.
Jerry Story
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Posted on Monday, April 02, 2012 - 1:32 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Avoid canola oil. It's GM.
bo'nana
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Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2012 - 10:15 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

.... and i can add to that another fyi: Canola is a really big trigger in my Spectrum son's tics and oppositionality
anytime he starts acting peculiarly irrational and wiggy, we all start asking, ok WHAT did you just eat?? -a lot of times sure enough there was Canola involved (ie: the oil-drenched tortilla chips at Laughing Planet that he was enjoying after school with friends made him unbelievably difficult to be around for hours after! we were unfairly blaming the friends before we finally figured it out...)
bo'nana
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Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2012 - 10:22 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

for cooking at home i mostly use Olive & Sesame oils (cold pressed of course) and Butter or Bacon Fat (which surely wouldnt work for the extremely sensitive, but so far we do ok with good "uncured" brands ie Trader Joes or Whole Foods)
i also like cold-pressed Flax oil or Carlsons Cod Liver oil (unflavored) in salad dressings or other cold foods- note, these can't really be cooked with, heat wrecks their value
ShannonU
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Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2012 - 3:06 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Canola oil gives me a major migraine and it irritates me that it's used in so many things at the "health food" stores.
Kristy - thank you for your explanation about the nut oils. I was using organic sunflower and getting a "corny" migraine and didn't understand why!
I usually use without problems:
Organic olive oil
Coconut oil
organic butter
Ghee
evelyn
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Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2012 - 8:46 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

What about the latest rage on coconut oil? Those who love it say that olive oil should not be used at high heat and use coconut instead.
ali
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Posted on Sunday, April 08, 2012 - 12:08 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

@Bo'nana, its interesting that you mention your childs behaviour being affected by canola...we just had a rare treat here of takeaway chips.They were made with real potatoes and deepfried like would do at home. My youngest has been very antsy and difficult since then. I had been trying to figure out what she had eaten. SHe was very red in the face too (a sure sign something dietary has gone amiss) Im now betting that when i check i will find that the chipshop uses canola oil! We use olive oil or sunflower oil at home and wouldnt deep fry food at all.
LisaS
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Posted on Sunday, April 08, 2012 - 5:33 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have only heard good things about coconut oil. I have been listening to some of the Ray Peat stuff, and he is very anti-PUFA (polyunsaturated, such as canola, corn, soy, etc). Interesting to see that some people have seen direct effects on behavior.

I can't remember specifics, but there is something about the PUFAs inhibiting the absorption of sugar into the cell and being the true cause of diabetes in his opinion...he also is anti-fiber (certain types esp. found in some grains) because they feed some kind of bad bacteria, if I recall correctly...it's pretty out there and not my area of expertise, but a couple of his recommendations have been easy to follow: he recommends some butter or coconut oil every day to balance out the PUFAs (can't remember the mechanism) and raw carrot because it helps somehow with the bad fiber. If anyone else knows more about how it all connects with FGA sensitivity I would love to hear.
ali
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Posted on Sunday, April 08, 2012 - 5:43 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

checked and the chipshop uses rapeseed oil. Thats the european name for canola oil! Take out chips off the menu! :-(
bo'nana
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Posted on Monday, April 09, 2012 - 11:08 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

hi ali... its been ages, hey? ive thought of your family from time to time and wondered how you are all doing. so sorry your littlest still struggling so much. she sounds so much like my two- my youngest always gets red in the face and complains of feeling sick whenever he's been exposed to somehting he shouldnt have (farmed fish and shell fish are the worst for him, and his reactions are worsening too- a little scary that even an accidental sampling brings on this reaction now :-( )
and my oldest has all the behaivioral effects you describe.

i hope it helps to know that she might develop a bit of tolerance to some things as she matures and her body grows stronger, at least that is how it has been since my big boy hit puberty. of course, he's now an Official Rotten Teenager (ha, i kid... well, mostly) but he doesnt have the same sort of brain shut-off from dairy or bad tum from egg anymore... that makes things a little easier to manage at home
he still reacts with hyperactive "largeness" to processed sweeteners & oppositionality or compulsivity to a number of chems, aluminum, and canola tho, and i dont suppose that will ever really change as those are toxins no one should be forced to consume. i could wish he were more compliant in making right choices for himself! now that he is eating on his own much of the time, i really no longer have much say... phoo... maybe he will come around eventually. he's a really nice kid- when he's not hopped up on chemfoods.

hope your girls will remain more consistently sensible! youve gotten a really good start in educating them to be aware, so hang in there mom. it helps so much when they recognize they are not feeling good again, and understand the source. right now my big boy is defiant that no one is going to make him eat differently than his friends, and he likes the chemically induced "charge"... but my younger allready understands and chooses to avoid many things as he doesnt like the way he feels after.

...i almost never do anything with fried foods tho once in a blue moon i still talk meself into paying the price of a headache & bad tum for a splurge with some onion rings.... ummmm.... sooo gooood i mean baaad....
there are a few asian shops here that use Rice Oil- believe me, the customer pays the difference, its MUCH spendier. but ive found i can enjoy a little tempura treet once in a while if breaded in Rice Panko and fried in real Rice Oil.

...i dont know much about Coconut Oil, my body seems to have a love/hate relationship with coconut in general & never know how i'm going to react. ive assumed its from sulphite residues but even organic gets me with cramping and urgency at times. i LOVE coconut and problems are never consistent, even within the same batch, so i do keep using dried coconut in trail mix & curries.
like you Lisa, ive only ever heard good things about coconut oil... which is reassuring tho there is a tiny part of my brain that likes to remind me "yes but thats what they used to say about soy"- and soy made me very very ill. so i am nervous to experiment much.
that said- my brother & his wife use Coconut Oil exclusively in all their foods & just love it.

ali, maybe there's a shop or two in your area that fry in something safer than canola? ...its so hard to ALWAYS have to say no to the little ones (or even oneself) Might rice or coconut be a possibility?
ali
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Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2012 - 1:21 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hey Bo'nana. So nice to see you here on the board again. I often wonder how you are fairing with your boys. Like your youngest, my middle and eldest avoid foods because they know they feel bad afterwards. Mostly emotionally. My eldest did, as you say, begin to develop some tolerance from the age of nine or so. Sadly for him i at the time still considered the problem to be his intolerance not the food and we still ate processed foods in the home. I was delighted he could eat regular foods without headbutting walls and generally being unsettled and hyperactive. But what did begin to happen was he got very quiet and withdrawn. All this co-incided with us moving from Holland to Ireland and we didnt see a food connection, just a nine year old boy missing his lifetime home and friends. Eek. Well when we finally got the fact that the food was the problem not us, our whole family began a journey into life without processed foods. My son became more outgoing and laughed more and wasnt as teary and emotional. Now when he is accidentally poisoned the first thing we see is emotional disturbance. He cries and cries and cant get the words out to say what the problem is. Its awful to see. But then it is such a hit for him that it is enough to make even him as a teenager take care of what he eats. My middle child becomes belligerent and argumentative. So contrary...not pleasant to be around at all. And the little one is so much like her older brother in reactions its almost like having the same child twice. She loses her speech if badly hit. She will try to talk but its garbled and not clear to understand, w hich leads to frustration and anger on her part and on it goes until she "comes back".She too will feel sick and then sleep at whatever time of day. We have just had a bit of a rough weekend courtesy of a chocolate easter egg. The egg was made by the same company i buy their chocolate from and i checked the ingredients but didnt spot that the egg itself had a different ingredients list to the chocolate bars inside the egg. Soya lecithin!! A real trigger for my eldest and youngest. The eldest has been on an emotional rollercoaster and my youngest has been frustrated and aggressive. They seem on the better side of it now. Phew!

I remember someone on this site saying that once our kids hit the years were they are responsible for their own food we have to watch them get sick before they feel bad enough that they make the changes and come back to the good habits we taught them. But that is pretty hard to do. I think i may just keep my kids at home for ever!! erm..maybe not!

Ive never tried coconut oil. Now this may be a really silly question (forgive me if it is :-) )but does coconut oil taste of coconut? I hate coconut,even the smell of it turns my stomach. My kids love it though.

We have two chippies in town and i will check does the other cook with something other than canola. Heres hoping because as you say its hard to continuously say no to little ones. I am in the city next week and will look for rice oil in the asian shop and give that a go. Im drooling at the thought of tampura..
Nice to see you on the board Bo'ana. Love to you and you family from one msg challenged mum to another :-)
LisaS
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Posted on Saturday, April 14, 2012 - 5:12 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I Deep fry with an unflavored (expeller pressed, NOT virgin) coconut oil, mine is from tropical traditions (http://www.tropicaltraditions.com/expeller-pressed_coconut_oil.htm) but I've also used spectrum with good results. Avoid the virgin ones if you don't like the flavor. For your kids, get a small jar of Nutiva, I like it the best, or tropical tradiitions which is more expensive, and it's wonderful on toast with some honey. It's also amazing in stir-fry, oddly enough.
ali
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Posted on Saturday, April 14, 2012 - 11:43 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks Lisa. I'm in the city this week (:-) ) and will check out the health food store. I know they stock coconut oil. Im not sure we have the same branding here but i will definately look for expeller pressed. Thanks for the tips. Im sure my middle one will love the Nutiva(im sure ive seen that here). She loves coconut.

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