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anonymous
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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2010 - 9:04 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I get very itchy skin on the inside of my legs and thighs, inside my elbows, and on my bottom. Sometimes it appears like small red blisters (hives?).

The last few months I have been getting small blisters that come up on the inside of my lower lip. They are small, appear to contain a clear fluid and usually pop within a few hours. They are quite painful until they pop. They appear to come up 12 to 24 hours after eating suspected foods.

I have been suspicious of salisylates and amines but I am now thinking it could be an MSG - glutamate type connection.

Foods I have reacted to include vegemite (yeast extract), soups, chocolate, pork, doritoes, salsa and many unknowns.

I am suspicious of MSG and I am trying to eliminate all high glutamate foods from my diet to see if it improves my symptoms. Does this sound like it could be MSG related? Has anyone had similar symptoms? Am I on the right track thinking MSG elimination?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. THANKS
kristy
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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2010 - 11:42 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Welcome, Glutamates and corn derived food additives are a common theme in all of those foods. Try the test diet on the front page of this site to see if food additives are your problem. http://www.msgmyth.com/

It is very easy to follow and it will allow you to test yourself for glutamate sensitivity. There are many helpful people here so feel free to ask any questions you might have. Someone will help you out. You can choose a username for yourself so we can keep up with who we are talking to by just typing it into the username box below the text box. There is no need to register, your machine will remember your username and everyone uses the same password.
ali
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Posted on Thursday, June 10, 2010 - 12:15 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Anonymous, I can totally understand the hives. I have suffered with those for years as does my dad. I just thought it was one of those things that ran in our family. And as it was quite sporadic and not all the time i just tolerated it. I would get them on the insides of my wrists and outside of elbows and around my knees. Itchy and iritating,but would usually be gone by morning. I found i was still getting them on occasion even after msg illimination. White flour seems to be the trigger for me, but i can tolerate wholewheat flour with no problems. Why that is i am not quite sure??? but every time i "risk" that slice of white bread or cake made with white flour the hives are back within 2 hours and it seems to be a trigger for IBS too for me. Though i have to say the reaction is not as severe now that my overall diet is msg free. Let me know what you discover as you eliminate msg and slowly add foods back. Id be interested to know if you find your hives trigger. Ali
sparkler
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Posted on Thursday, June 10, 2010 - 7:37 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks Kristy and ali.
Kristy, I have checked out the test diet and I am starting on it today.
ali, I will let you know how I go with the hives.

I am quite daunted by all the information I have just discovered on MSG and glutamate and I am quite excited that there may finally be a light at the end of the tunnel to explain my health worries over the last couple of years. I am so glad that I found this forum with so many supportive people to help me.

Thanks again Kristy and ali
ali
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Posted on Thursday, June 10, 2010 - 11:18 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I went to a friends house last night and had two glasses of wine. I dont drink from one year to the next so it was a long time since i last had wine. I got home and went to bed, to be kept awake half the night with the old familiar pains in my hips and legs that i havent felt since stopping msg and sulfites. I also woke this morning with a bad case of IBS. I think i have just proven to myself beyond a doubt that i am sulfite sensitive. Ive suspected this after an IBS attack after using regular balsamic vinegar and cider vinegar. I do fine with the organic vinegars thankfully.
Di
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Posted on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 6:00 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ali, I seem to react to balsamic vinegar sometimes (it may depend on the quantity). Since you do fine with organic vinegar do you think they are lower in sulfites and is the organic vinegar balsamic?
ali
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Posted on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 8:23 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I reacted to the regular balsamic vinegar quite severely. The regular balsamic vinegar is clearly labeled as containing sulfites. There is no mention of sulfites on the organic balsamic vinegar whichis why i tried it. As its a set recipe the amount is the same in the dish each time. And i had no reaction to it. So i presume it as least a lot lower in sulfites, but wether it is sulfite free i wouldnt be sure.I have the exact same with cider vinegar. I dont react to the organic version. But i have only tried the one brand of organic.It was tescos own brand in both cases. Tescos is one of the bigger supermarkets here in Ireland. Not sure where you are Di??? Or if you have tescos. Hope this helps. ali
kristy
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Posted on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 11:48 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ali, Have you tried organic all purpose flour? What exact brand are you trying? If it is bread flour, it can contain cornstarch.

Interestingly enough, most wines from the US contain corn as do most balsamic vinegars. I believe people have had a lot of luck with German wines and certain brands of balsamic vinegars (some hidden corn). Usually this hidden corn is in the form of an additive that is high in free glutamic acid so if I can find a corn-free wine or balsamic vinegar, they should be safe for everyone here. I've never paid any attention to the alcohol-related threads on the avoiding corn forum because I gave up all alcohol years ago when I thought I was allergic. :-)
Di
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Posted on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 4:28 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ali, thanks, I'll make sure to buy organic vinegar next time. I'll look at the bottles here in the USA and see if any are labeled (and not labeled) as containing sulfites.
ali
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Posted on Saturday, June 12, 2010 - 3:19 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Di, Let me know how you go with it. Good luck. Thanks for german wine tip Kirsty.I dont drink as such, but the next social gathering,i will take a bottle of german wine and see if thats better. Ali
ali
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Posted on Saturday, June 12, 2010 - 7:38 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sorry, Kirsty i didnt read all the post from earlier and missed what you were saying about the corn in wines and vinegar. That would possibly make sense with my reaction rather than the sulfites i suspected.....what a mindfield.
I havent tried organic flour as its just not available in our small village. But the flour i buy has no mention of any other ingredient than wheat flour???? Next time i get up to the big store ill try the organic flour and see if thats better. I prefer to use organic everything as much as possible, but its just not always stocked locally.
The ingredients list on the organic balsamic vinegar is wine vinegar and grape must as far as i remember. I actually havent a bottle in to check....definatley time to hit the bigger supermarket!! Ill look again and clarify that when i stock up. I dont know where its made either. Its a tescos own brand. ali
ali
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Posted on Sunday, June 13, 2010 - 1:34 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Kirsty, here is the ingredients list on the organic balsamic vinegar:-
Organic Red Wine Vinegar,
Organic Grape Must Concentrate ,
Organic Cooked Grape Must

all their other vinegars clearly state sulfites but the organic doesnt.

Im in Ireland so the tescos make is not an option for you, but ive checked a few of our supermarkets on line here, and all the own brand organic have the exact same ingredients list.
Hope this helps
kristy
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Posted on Tuesday, June 15, 2010 - 9:28 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The grape must is probably treated with an antifungal that would contain corn. It would not be considered an ingredient so would not have to be listed. It will soon get to the point that all grapes and grape products will be inedible.
wz
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Posted on Sunday, December 04, 2011 - 11:51 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Dear ali and others, I have recently made the white flour connection with glutamates, which is the part that hurts us. I never thought white flour was anything but wheat flour. It turns out, that at certain times of the year, Malted Barley Flour is added to wheat flour to improve it's performance in baking. Evidently when the flour is cooked, the Malted Barley Flour reacts with the wheat flour and it releases glutamates. I have looked at the Whole wheat flour and it doesn't say anything about Malted Barley Flour. I am going to contact Gold Medal and ask them if the Whole Wheat flour could be contaminated with the Malted Barley Flour. Hodgson Mills sells white flour without Malted Barley Flour. But I started looking around and Malted Barley flour is in a lot of things!
EmilyS
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Posted on Thursday, December 08, 2011 - 11:33 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have found a local flour mill that doesn't add malted barley flour to their all purpose blend (Lehi Roller Mills). They are the only "safe" all purpose flour I can find in Utah.

I also buy hard white wheat and grind it myself. With our baking I use half freshly ground wheat and half all purpose flour.

I hope you can find a good flour source in your area.

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