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Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2017 - 1:59 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Help.I don't know what to eat any more. I get migraines, a doctor told me she thought I had diverticulitis and I have prediabetes. I also have mild osteopenia. I just recently turned 50.

This is the second doctor that has told me to avoid nuts, seeds and berries. I also have fibromyalgia. I try to avoid some of the nightshade foods. I think that helps my joint pain.

I try to avoid MSG but am having a hard time. I thought my main problems were MSG, gluten and dairy. I am not sure any more about the gluten and dairy. I am sure the MSG is bad though. I can't drink milk but think some cheese may be OK but so much MSG!

I can't cut out so much! I need more calories. My weight is OK and I don't really need to lose weight.

My intestines hurt a lot though. I have to do something. My husband works hard for us. I am not able to work. I want to improve my health so maybe I could work. I am on a tight budget. Plus I can't stand a lot to cook.

I have tried a dietitian my insurance approved and it was a joke. I knew more then she did! I live in a very rural area and good health care is hard to get.And honestly where I live a lot of people overeat and eat the wrong foods. I live in one of the unhealthiest states. WV. Food is the center of many things here including church gatherings.

Thank you.
Connie Lynn
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Posted on Sunday, January 15, 2017 - 1:34 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Connie. Do you have our book yet? The reason I ask is because there is a chapter in there about sulfites, which are types of sulfur derived preservatives that many of us who are MSG sensitive to, cannot handle. If you don't have a copy of the book, please do an online search and read about all the foods that are treated with sulfites. You may be reacting, since it really effects the stomach and joints. I drink milk that is whole organic milk. Most, if not all low fat varieties contain dry milk and whey solids, which contain concentrated amounts of free form glutamate, the harmful form found in MSG. Stick to whole fat milk cheeses like mozarella, colby, mild cheddar, etc.Be careful with commercial breads and baked goods, which have a lot of extra free glutamate in the form of dry milk and whey, gluten powder, soy flour, certain dough conditioners, dextrose, corn syrup, etc. If you don't have the book, PLEASE consider getting it, as there are many hidden forms of MSG that you need to avoid, including some in vitamins and supplements. At the least, do some more research here and online and learn all you can to better avoid this dangerous food additive. We have heard from many people who were diagnosed with fibromyalgia, but who went into complete remission when they learned to be more vigilant about avoiding MSG. I understand how hard it is to cook when you feel so sick, but believe me, it is worth every effort to do what you must to regain your health. Take care.
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Posted on Sunday, January 15, 2017 - 7:23 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Deb A, You mentioned 'gluten powder'. Do you think 'Vital Gluten' might cause an MSG reaction? I was contemplating baking bread (rye?) from scratch & one recipe indicated it was essential to add Vital Gluten.
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Posted on Sunday, January 15, 2017 - 7:47 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I can't thank you enough Deb. I have the book. I will be reading through it tomorrow. I don't know why I did not think about sulfites. I have all kinds of odd allergic reactions. I knew I was missing something but could not figure out what. And I think the sulfites are it. I feel like my food is killing me. I will be changing this! Getting rid of all MSG and reading up on sulfites too. I feel so bad but I know it will get better. Thank you for giving me hope. Connie P.S. I have never found a supplement or vitamin I can take! They all make me feel ill.
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Posted on Sunday, January 15, 2017 - 8:09 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have one question. I drink a lot of plain seltzer water my husband buys me at Kroger. I wonder if it could have sulfites? It just says carbonated water. But I know club soda can have potassium sulfate in it. I wonder if they use the same machines? Just thinking. Not sure. But since I drink one or two liters a day I think I better find out. Also there is a long list of medications I can't take either. I have bad allergic reactions to many antibiotics. Thanks again. Connie
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Posted on Monday, January 16, 2017 - 8:23 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Pat, I try to avoid vital wheat gluten since it it high in glutamate. It may not be in the free form, the form where it is completely isolated from other proteins in the product, but the body will eventually break it down into the free form, which can then enter the bloodstream immediately. It is made by kneading high protein flour with water until the wheat protein is developed. Then the starch that is left is washed away...wheat starch, which is used in other processed foods. The wheat protein that is left is composed of several amino acids, the most prevalent being glutamate. Since the gluten is then exposed to heat to dehydrate it so that it can be ground into powder form, some of the glutamate will be converted to the free form that can enter the bloodstream immediately. Even the bound form of glutamate will eventually be converted into the free form through the digestion process, so it is best to avoid gluten powder as much as possible. Wheat is rich in naturally occurring glutamate. Malted barley flour is added to white wheat flours because the enzyme in this sprouted barley flour breaks down the bound gluten in flour, which helps to make a softer baked product and higher loaf of bread. When I make bread, I add 1/2 to 1 t. of vitamin C powder. It becomes food for the yeast, which makes for a better loaf of bread. Most health food stores sell this form of vitamin C. Remember that bread has been made for centuries without processed vital wheat gluten, so it is not essential. Hope this helps. BTW, I do eat a couple breads that contain some gluten powder now and then...but rarely. I find that if I eat it each day for a couple days in a row, I react. And I only eat 1 slice. Each of us are different in what we can tolerate.
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Posted on Monday, January 16, 2017 - 8:32 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Connie, sulfites are systematically added to the wash water that cleans water bottling machines. I can't say all factories do this, but many do to destroy bacteria. And potassium sulfate adds to the problem. We bought a soda maker machine and use it all the time. I like to add powdered or grated ginger and stevia or raw sugar to it for ginger ale. It's great with a slice of citrus, too....or pureed fruit of any kind. Mike, my husband like it with vanilla, brown sugar, and a pinch of salt..cream soda.
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Posted on Monday, January 16, 2017 - 10:00 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thank you. I did not know that about the water. Interesting about the bread too. I also eat a lot of different dried fruit products. I thought it was healthy! No wonder I feel so bad. I have been reading about the sulfites. I know I have a lot to do to learn how to eat totally different. But it will be so much better then the way I feel now!

I kept feeling like I was allergic to the World! I just can't eat what everyone else around me is eating! The holidays made me very sick! And I always feel like the food I am eating is killing me. Turns out it is. I can do this. I will be reading a lot here. I can't thank you enough Deb. Sincerely, Connie Lynn
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Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 - 8:48 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Connie,

At your stage of exploration of what foods may be causing your symptoms, you should start out with "the Caveman diet" where you just eat meats from a reputable butcher (no marinades), and maybe potatoes and fresh vegetables and eggs (season with only salt & pepper). Eat only these foods for about two weeks and you will find your symptoms subsiding. While you are waiting is a good time to go through your cupboards and throw out all products with ingredients listed in Deb's book. Once you are feeling better, enjoy it for a while. I think you'll find out that feeling great is better than succumbing to cravings for all your old food choices. As time goes on, use Deb's book to help you introduce safe foods and delicious recipes.

My wife and I used to spend our Sundays preparing safe foods and packaging them for during the week. Having the prepared food available kept us from making bad decisions about what or where to eat each night. When you feel better, you will have the energy to buy and cook meals that will help maintain your regained health.

You will also find that spending a bit more on better quality food is probably much cheaper than what you are spending for drugs and supplements to counteract the effect of the bad cheap food.

I sympathize with your dilemma of being unable to have easy access to quality organic foods in rural West Virginia. I went to college in Wheeling, West Virginia and worked part time at a grocery store. Even though this was many years ago, at that time I was made aware of how difficult rural area folks had it when our school would have volunteer food drives during the holidays.

As a side note, you mention that you have trouble with antibiotics. You will probably run across a few of my posts on this discussion board where I postulated that overuse of antibiotics in this country has not only led to antibiotic resistant bacteria, but has also killed off bacteria that is natural in our digestive system. These bacteria create enzymes that we need to properly digest various foods and get the best benefit of their food value. Without these enzymes our food is not properly digested and we experience various stomach and bowel related difficulties. That's why probiotics are so prevalent today. They even have a procedure called Fecal Microbial Transplantation where they match peoples genomes and transplant fecal material from the healthy donor to the sick patient. Sounds crazy, but when you've destroyed your healthy bacteria, you need to regrow them to get your body recovered.

Best of luck to you on your journey to better health!

PS Hi Deb!! :-)
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Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2017 - 6:56 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thank you Tom for all the useful information. If I had the money I would try anything to get my health back. I have read about Fecal Microbial Transplantation online. But where I live I am very limited what I can do. Wheeling has over 3 times as many people then the county I live in.

About 10 years ago I did have a stool test and they said I did not have any good bacteria. But they did not give me any advice or treatment! That is health care here. I hardly take any antibiotics ever. I don't go to the doctors much here any more since none have helped. And I can't afford it. I just recently started going to one female physician here after not going to the doctor for years.

I can't eat yogurt. All dairy makes my stomach worse. I have tried lactose. I have tried so many probiotics in the past. They all make my head feel like it is going to explode. I don't take any supplements. I can't tolerate any. I am sensitive to so much even things I use on my skin. I only use certain things.

I am worried about losing too much weight again. A couple years ago I got down to 113. I have a much needed bone density next month. I don't do well with a lot of fat or meat but can eat some. I will try to eat more. I really hate eggs to be honest. I have tried to make myself eat them but I get sick.

I will be reading your posts. I am limited to shopping at a Kroger's and Super Walmart here for meats and vegetables.

I am open to all ideas. I do OK with some organic potatoes when I can find those here. I do not do well with raw foods. I do better with cooked vegetables.

I often just don't eat because I don't know what to eat and often feel worse when I eat. But I need to keep my weight up for my bones I think. And I get so weak and tired.

My husband of 30 years will not touch the stove or cook at all. But he does most of the shopping. He will get what I ask him to if he can find it. I need to start going shopping more.

Sorry this is long. I just feel so lost with the food issues. Thank you for your posts everyone. I sure appreciate the help. I will be working on everything I can and reading here. There are very nice people here that try to help others. That is very kind.

Connie Lynn

P.S. Our daughter, son-in-law and grandsons are out of state because our son-in-law joined the Air Force about 5 years ago. My brother is almost 13 years younger them me but has worked in the coal mines for 15 years. His health is already bad. His breathing is bad, he has almost no hearing left and has a list of health problems. A lot of younger people here either move, join the military or go in the coal mines. Where my husband works- yesterday people were laid off. There is just nothing here. I wish things could change. I know many more sick people then well people here.
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Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2017 - 9:17 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Connie,

Offhand, it sounds as though your digestive system has been compromised somehow. Do you have well water or city provided water. If well water, have you chlorinated it for any reason lately (we have to do ours every so often)? If city water, do you know if it is chlorinated. This website mentions how chlorine may do the same damage as antibiotics with regard to killing off the good gut bacteria:

https://www.thecandidadiet.com/chlorine-immune-system.htm

Tom
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Connie,

We've had good luck with meats bought at our Super Walmart here in Illinois. Even their vacuum sealed meats seem OK. Do not buy any Hormel brand products - all seasoned with MSG. With regard to eggs - you may not be able to digest the proteins of the yolk. You could try eating egg whites only as an experiment to validate this theory.

Here is an informative website about digestive process and enzymes.

http://www.enzymestuff.com/digestion.htm#1

Good luck in your hunt for better health. At age 48 I found out about MSG's affect on me causing A-Fib - but only after having been hospitalized for Congestive Heart Failure.

And never trust that things you put in your mouth are safe. At age 59 I died twice when my system shut down due to a reaction to a generic blood pressure medication my insurance company demanded I take instead a the name brand I had been taking.

If just a little pill can kill. What about the wide variety of foods we consume?

Tom
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Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2017 - 10:18 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks Tom. Wow, you have been through a lot! Glad you are here and you got better! I know we have to be our own health advocate. You are spot on about the water. I can't drink our local water or I get sick and throw up. I drink spring water from the store. I can smell the chlorine in our city water. Sometimes the water even looks sudsy? My husband has been sick and I try to get him not to drink the water.

My husband uses a brita filter pitcher. He thinks it will get rid of everything in the water. He won't listen. I won't drink it.

I don't shop at Super Walmart as much as Kroger but I will start looking more at the meat there. Thank you.

Yes, I know it is scary! I was on the cardiac floor for a week in a hospital here about 10 years ago from taking one medication! I am also very sensitive to many medications! I had tachycardia. I had a bunch of heart tests after that and everything was fine. That scared me! Not the only thing to happen to me but one of the worst.

I have had reactions to lots of medications and have a long list of allergies. I keep a list with me.

It is scary what they put in our food and what they do to it. It is no wonder why so many people are sick! And medications also scare me.

I will be reading and doing this one day at time. One meal at a time. I want to get better and will do whatever I can and whatever it takes.

Good luck to you too Tom.

Connie

P.S. Sometimes I feel like that canary they used to take down in the coal mines. If it died the men knew to get out and that the air was bad. I feel that way about food and other things.
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Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2017 - 9:07 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Deb A. Thanks for the detailed info on why Vital Wheat Gluten should be avoided. I will follow your advice.
Can I assume the Vitamin C Powder is Ascorbic Acid (which I'm fine with)?
Happy New Year to ALL!
Deb A.
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Posted on Friday, January 20, 2017 - 10:43 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Tom! I have vowed to check our discussion board more this year. We have been weighed down by a major move ourselves and helping all 4 of our kids sell their homes, pack, and move, too...all within our state thankfully. Plus we have been sharing the blessing of helping aging and ill relatives for the last while. BUT, helping people is so important to Mike and I, so hopefully, you will see more of me here.
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Pat, glad to help! Connie, hang in there. I love your attitude...it will get you through the tough times and moments when you feel confused about what to eat. It's ok to make mistakes now and then..and you will. But keep trying and learning. Keeping a food journal is important, not just to list the safe and the bad foods, but to help play detective when you do get sick. When that happens, record all you ate the day or 2 before, circling all the suspicious items. At the start of each new day for several days, record how you feel each morning, then all the foods you eat, and then how you feel each evening. Keep circling suspicious foods. You will see a common thread. Avoid those foods. Later you can test them one at a time, if there are several.
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And listen to Tom. He is awesome...has been posting here for years.
Connie, one of the things that I do well with is smoothies. I use organic fruits and veggies most of the time. I use organic milk or organic coconut milk or water, or organic almond milk with water as the liquid. Sometimes, instead of milk of any kind, I add organic cashews to the water to cream it up a bit. I change it up with spices like cinnamon, ginger or add organic maple syrup, stevia, organic cane sugar, or organic agave for sweetener. Vanilla in a nice addition. One of my favorites is made using 1/2 cup pumpkin or squash puree (canned is ok), organic banana, vanilla, ice, sweetener and almond milk or whole organic milk. I add a lot of pumpkin pie spices...soo good. A peeled apple (unpeeled if organic) is good in this, too. To add protein to my smoothies, I add some organic oatmeal (it can be found non gmo or gluten free), or rinsed canned black or kidney beans, or pasteurized egg whites...Costco, SAM's club brands or Crystal Farms egg whites. Sometimes I mix fruit and berries with veggies like celery, cucumber, kale, spinach, tomatoes, etc.
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Tom, we now have 16 grandkids. We had 2 girls and 2 boys. We have 8 grandsons and 8 granddaughters, and 1 great grandson and 1 great granddaughter...what are the odds!? They sure keep us busy and happy. A lot has happened since we started this site many years ago, hasn't it. What about you? How has life been to you, friend?
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Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2017 - 10:38 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thank you so much Deb! I am going to the grocery store tomorrow. That really helps a lot. I am writing all that down! Wow, Deb what are the odds with the number of grand kids and great grandchildren you have! Wow! That is great!

My husband has been off work a few days trying not to get pneumonia again. He had it a couple years ago after getting in some mold helping his brother move some stuff from a house. He has not been the same since and has an ongoing cough. But he has a physical job and has to work. Hoping for the best.

I will be reading a lot here. Thank you!

Connie
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So happy to help where I can, Connie...very sorry to hear that about your husband. He may benefit from eating a cleaner diet, too! Take care.
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Deb A.,

Congratulations on having such a big family to enjoy. I too had a big family. But having been the youngest son (of four sons) of the youngest daughter of six siblings (had me when she was 40), I regretfully have spent my retirement years working the issues of their deaths. I retired at 55 and the last 11 years have been spent managing the estates of 5 of the 12 relatives who have died. Three years ago, my grandson developed Hodgkin’s lymphoma (cancer free two years now). My Father-in-Law had stroke in 2012 and then had both legs amputated in mid-2015 due to peripheral vascular disease – we have been his caregivers in Arkansas until just recently. My daughter, who always wanted children. had to have a hysterectomy 2 years ago – also resulted in a divorce. And now as we are considering a move to Florida, my wife’s brother just passed last Wednesday. Those plans are on hold.

But I still thank the people on this discussion board with having helped me discover the cause of my A-Fib at a time when the internet was in its infancy and beyond. It has been 18 years and I still gravitate to this site at those times when I need the gratification associated with helping fellow sufferers find the path to better health. I know that at least 7 of my dead relatives could have been helped by the suggestions of this site. If only we could have succeeded in getting the food industry to remove these additives – but it was not to be.

Regretfully, I have been reading in some “Millennial” publications that a resurgence is taking place introducing new foods that contain MSG ingredients to provide that “umami” flavor. The cycle is doomed to repeat itself. :-(
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Oh,Tom....so sorry...life sure hits all of us at times, but sure is hardest when our kids or grandkids have to go through rough patches. My dad was the youngest of 7 and so I too, have lost so many loved ones. My dad was definitely a victim of glutamate toxicity...all the same symptoms I had until I found the culprit....too late for him. My mom hated to cook and we ate every new fast food and MacDonald's meals she could afford. Ironically, all of dad's sisters-in-law (5)were great cooks...his older brothers lived into their 90's. Dad was 71 when he died....so can relate... my mom, who is 94 btw, doesn't react...she does, but it is minor.
I do get good feedback and still see a strong movement for healthier food choices everywhere...still hopeful. Today, I just heard from a young woman who has published a book about her experiences with MSG...she said our book and site got her better and that our book is her Bible. She is sending me a book. I will mention more about it after I get to read it...she mentioned there are several causes and sites dedicated to educate people about the dangers of MSG...so still hopeful. Good to hear things like that from young people...they will keep the ball rolling and we must,too. You posting here is a godsend! We made a major move across town and believe me, it was 3 years of sorting, tossing, and selling 35 years of accumulation! We put all the rest in storage in 104 degree heat wave...horrible...till we found a new place. When we did, we had to move into the house in below 0 weather. Crazy. Wishing you a much easier move if you do make a change. It was worth it for us. So good to see you still here.
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Deb A.,
Thanks for your compassion. I do not regret nor despair the trials that I have been presented. I only wish that we had had the success in uncovering the potential dangers of food additives like the successes of other authors who have changed history.

I just finished watching a documentary about Rachel Carson’s efforts to present the dangers of the over use of DDT and other insecticides. She apparently didn’t have to present volumes of data to support her suggestions of eminent dangers, but appealed to the emotions of her readers who developed their own opinions and pressured the government to get involved with the study and ultimate regulation of the use of these dangerous chemicals.
https://www.nrdc.org/stories/story-silent-spring

A couple of years ago, I thought that Dr. Russel Blaylock’s book “Excitotoxins: The Taste that Kills” would convince many to see the dangers of MSG and Aspartame. But even though many of us on this discussion board understood his very technical cellular arguments against the continued use, it obviously did not appeal to the vast common audience that is required to make a change. Regretfully we can’t show pictures of dying birds or dead fish or dwindling populations of eagles due to egg shell deficiencies. We are talking about human reactions to these excitotoxins and the fact that our life spans are so long, the multitude of systemic reactions to these chemicals cannot be shown in the same emotional venue as that of animals.

If you tried to portray a human effected by excitotoxins to the point of death, naysayers would challenge the theory with a multitude of other ailments that could be the cause - because the multiple links of excitotoxin poisoning have not been established. But there are millions of us out there adversely affected by these excitotoxins. If only we could get the sympathy of the common folk that changed the political opinion on DDT.
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Exactly! So well argued, Tom. It will be a long and drawn out grassroots effort. We all hoped and prayed for a quicker resolution to this awful problem.
Love Rachel Carson. Read her book years ago...never dreamed Mike and I would become consumer activists. She was an inspiration. You have helped more people than you can imagine, Tom. You have and continue to want to help people..and you help keep me going. You always have! Thank you so much for still caring.
Like you, I look at trials in a way that helps one to feel compassion for others. Being able to help people here is important, and if we had not suffered the consequences of MSG toxicity, we could not have been able to make a difference for thousands. You are a big part of that, Tom.
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All,

Maybe concern for Man's Best Friend will eventually get the general public excited about MSG and its killing affects:

http://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/msg-dog-food-can-cause-brain-damage/

:-)
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Just posted this on our MSG Myth Facebook page and to friends. Thanks, Tom. Good one!
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Milk & Cottage Cheese too?

Thanks for posting Tom. I wonder if 'Whole' milk products are now taboo.

"Dairy Products
Processed free glutamic acid is in many dairy products like milk or cottage cheese, so if you add dairy to your dog’s diet, he may be getting some MSG that way too."

http://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/msg-dog-food-can-cause-brain-damage/
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Pat & Deb A.,

A few years back I read an article about how milk is processed in order to meet the standards of fat concentration in the various grades. If I recall correctly, the processing included removing all the fat from the milk with high temperatures and then the fat was returned in strict amounts to make each milk grade. Regretfully the process used to remove the fat caused free glutamic acid generation or MSG. I'm sure Roy would be able to find a site verifying this info. Have you heard from him lately?
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Pat, milk contains naturally occurring glutamate, as do most high protein foods. When low fat milk was first produced, all the fat (nonfat), or some of it was removed (2%). It was done because Americans were starting to want less fat in their diet. But when it first came out, the taste did not go over very well. Producers hired food scientists who tweaked it by adding dry milk solids, which improved the texture making it creamier and richer tasting. But by adding dry milk, which is produced by subjecting milk to extreme heat, the milk contains much more free form glutamate, the denatured form found in MSG, which enters the bloodstream immediately. Since dogs are very sensitive to MSG, it's always best to be careful. I use very little dairy, but when I do, I use whole organic. Most of time, I buy non homogenized. It comes in low fat varieties, but the cream is separated without heat and put back according to varieties offered...and no dry milk is added in this brand...Pure Eire...Othello WA, so it is produced near us, which I like. Cottage cheese contains dry whey and milk solids, most often.
Pat
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Tom, you have influenced me to research further:

Below is a recap of what I ascertained from many websites. Raw milk reigns supreme…..provided you can find it & afford it. Short of giving up dairy, my conclusion is to determine what you are not allergic to & stick with those specific manufacturers because 1) some add preservatives & additives that MSG’rs are allergic to, and 2) apparently milk is processed differently by vs manufacturers.

Addressing the brands I’m not allergic to (so far):
DAISY Whole Milk: Cottage Cheese & Sour Cream…..they said they only ADD cream into their whole milk products to equal % on label.
DANNON Plain Whole Milk Yogurt…..reps & mgrs don’t know the process because it’s not in writing & no, they can’t help me.

Milk proteins are complex, 3D molecules. Rapid heat treatments like pasteurization, & esp ultra-pasteurization, flatten the molecules so the enzymes cannot do their work. If such proteins pass into the bloodstream (leaky gut syndrome), the body perceives them as foreign proteins & mounts an immune response resulting in a chronically overstressed immune system & much less energy available for growth & repair. (source) No wonder more people think of themselves as intolerant to casein (a milk protein). Not only do Pasteurization and UHT processing kill off the enzymes present (even in Organic milk) in milk needed to digest the casein, the casein itself is altered to the point of being indigestible!. So any naturally occurring lactase is destroyed in the pasteurization process.

If the milk has had fat removed (skim, 1%, & 2%), it’s not only absent of all the fat-soluble vitamins that your body needs to properly digest the calcium & other goodies in the milk, it will also usually have non-fat dry milk or other milk solids added in to create a more desirable consistency. These forms of dry milk are high in free glutamic acids (aka “MSG”) & oxidized cholesterol (dangerous & inflammatory) which can cause all kinds of heart disorders).

Cream on the other hand is a fat-based dairy product you get by skimming butterfat from milk and concentrating it to between 10% – 75% fat content depending on the intended use.

Otherwise, the processing of milk is as follows:
Raw milk is centrifuged to extract the fat, which becomes cream or butter.

Pasteurization, kills bacteria - milk is heated to a fairly high temperature for +/- 15 seconds, then it's rapidly cooled. Ultra-High (or Heat) Temp (UHT) milk (heavy cream and half & half) is treated at a much higher temp (275 °F) for 2-3 sec, to extend the shelf life.

Homogenization prevents fat molecules from rising to the top to form a layer of cream. Heat process (149-185°F) emulsifies the molecules down to a small size so they remain suspended evenly thruout the milk for 20 min.

Statistics:
on average, across breeds, ages, and seasons -- whole milk contains in the area of 3.5%-4.5% butterfat. In some places, with some cows, at some times, that might rise as high as 6% or even a bit higher.

different breeds have different average fat content, with Guernseys being among the highest fat content (6%). The Holstein is the cow used primarily on dairy farms in the US (its milk fat content is close to 3%).

From 2006, but interesting & informative video on Raw Milk: https://vimeo.com/13418268

Where raw milk can be purchased: http://www.realmilk.com/state-updates/
Pat
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Posted on Monday, January 30, 2017 - 7:09 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Deb, our msgs crossed a few minutes apart.
Thanks.....non-homogenized.....I understand.

Daisy & Dannon, both are Cultured. These should be A-OK too.....right?

"Cultured cream is just a fancy name for sour cream (a.k.a. crème fraiche). This probiotic food is made with culture starter* that contains flora strains that break-down the milk protein (casein) and convert the milk sugar (lactose) into lactic acid."

Dannon All Natural Yogurt Ingredients: Cultured Grade A Milk
Daisy Sour Cream Ingredients: Cultured cream
Daisy Regular Cottage Cheese Ingredients: Cultured skim milk, cream, salt
Deb A.
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So far, I can use those items, but have cut way down on dairy. Someone told me that there are sulfites added to most dairy products like sour cream and cottage cheese. Since I am allergic to sulfites big time, I am careful about many things I eat. Just had oatmeal this morning with my favorite creamer...home made cashew milk. Bought unsalted roasted almond pieces at health food store. I rinse well with hot water to remove most of any oil used. Place 1 cup in blender with 4 cups water, pinch of salt and 1/4 t. real vanilla...blend 2 minutes till smooth. Some people add a little sugar. This is great used in anything calling for milk or cream. Vegetarians make it thicker using less water to make cream sauces. Most almonds today, even organic are being sprayed while growing with AuxiGro, which is high in free form glutamate. I always react with swollen gums and stomach distress...never used to. So far, doing well with cashews.
Pat
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Deb A, Thanks for your enlightening comments. I'm allergic to sulfites also & I will take heed.

I have issues with Oatmeal. So the few times a week that I MAY eat Old Fashion Oats, I rinse them well in a fine colander before cooking. In fact, I rinse all grains because they are stored in silos & treated to avoid explosion risk due to fine dust particles.
Deb A.
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I buy organic oatmeal at our heath food store, and for those wanting to avoid gluten, Bob's Red Mill offers gluten free.
Connie Lynn
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Hi again. What kind of issues do you all have with being allergic to sulfites? I don't think I am allergic to them. But I am not sure. I am having so many stomach problems. Trying to figure it out. Thank you.
Connie Lynn
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Hi again. I had to take Benadryl yesterday because I felt like I was itching all over. It did not help. Been having some odd issues. Throat has felt itchy even. I wonder about the sulfites and histamine intolerance?

Thanks!
Lee
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Hi Connie Lynn,

You might want to search the board for 'sulfites' and dig deeper, I'm not very knowledgeable about sulfites. I really only learned about them when I read Deb's book. I do not have an allergic reaction specifically, it's more that I feel draggy, puffy, and 'off'. So I am pretty careful now to avoid them.
My worst MSG reactions have been when I mistakenly combined some food or drink that had sulfites with another food that had (some form of) msg.
If you are having an itchy throat that is very serious. You may want to start a food diary, if you haven't already, so you can determine what's causing that reaction. :-( And talk to your Doctor about it.

I do recall something about Benedryl not being sufficient for some allergies that affect the respiratory system and only an epi-pen (sp?) should be used in those cases. I don't have any experience with that type of reaction, but I'd take it very seriously.
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It has been a long long time since I have been on this site. I see the posts I made many years ago and am still grateful for the life it gave back to me. It saved my life many years ago, when I was debilitated from migraines. The book and this site saved my life. I have been pretty much migraine free for a long time, except for when I get careless, and the bonus was I lost about 60 pounds and it has stayed off . I am now 72 and healthier than I have ever been in my life. Not sure why there is a connection to weight gain and MSG, but it is very obvious to me that it does exist. So happy to see the site active again. I cook in bulk and freeze as was suggested in a message above. My life has changed dramatically for the good. Lots of tough stuff has happened to me,but because I am well and strong, I can do it. I lost my husband to Cancer 7 years ago..he used to keep a calendar for me of everything I ate each day when I started the program, so we could nail down the culprit if I got sick. Recently my dog, my dear and faithful companion that taught me to live again after I lost my husband. I am still making myself move forward, I have a new puppy coming, in two weeks I can take her home with me. When we are not feeling sick we can do anything. Keep working at it anonymous, you will feel happier and healthier than ever in your life..The MSG book is my constant companion, it is pretty worn, but still it is wise. Good luck

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