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Stacey
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Posted on Saturday, March 26, 2011 - 7:17 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

This is the second time my dog is reactioning to red meat in a week. He typically eats California natural grain free venison mixed with Trader Joe's canned salmon and is doing better on this than anything I've tried. Every time I try vets suggestion to go raw he reacts and even if I cook it same thing. Anyway, anyone know anything about Catelli ground lamb or Meyers ground beef? Are either clean? He had 1 pound Catelli ground lamb with organic cauliflower for dinner last night. This morning 1 pound of Meyers Natural Angus ground beef, organic cauliflower and a little sweet potato. I know its the meat as he eats cauli and sweet potato no problem. Cauli is a frequest dog treat. Seems like if it were a red meat allergy he would react the same way to the California Natural kibble. Hopefully we will have better luck with the local farmers meat.
bo'nana
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Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 5:49 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

im not familiar with Catelli brand, Meyers i know if that is Fred Meyer...
but i am wondering whether you have noticed these packages seeming like air is injected under the plastic, you know, making sort of a bubble with the meat inside. if so, did you notice if the meat seems extra red, almost cherry red- yet doesnt bleed much into the wrapper or when cooked?

if so, my guess is that you are getting meat that has the new "freshness" treatment... meaning it can stay on the shelf for a looooonnng time with out actually rotting.

of course, ive found i react to those meats... and kristy says they still smell rotten to her...

do you have access to a good old fashioned butcher?
Stacey
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Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 9:41 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Amish gentleman just gave me the name of a local butcher where many send their purchased cows... to be butchered. What are the correct questions to ask the butcher making sure the meat is really clean? Thanks!
Deb A.
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Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 10:21 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Has anyone had success with Blue Buffalo brand of pet food? I have been told it is the best as far as additives.
bo'nana
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Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 3:35 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

oh! Deb- you jogged my memory, i dont know why i didnt remember this site before...

stacey, you might find some helpful info about quality pet food here, this lady seems very knowledgeable:
http://www.greatdanelady.com/index.html

click on the side bar where it says "articles" and scroll to find all her pages on commercial pet foods & meats
hope this helps :-)
bo'nana
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Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 3:37 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

kristy... yoo hoo! are you still on?

she's the gal you want to ask your butcher questions of, stacey... i think thats the route she's had to go to find meat that is safe enough for her family's extreme sensitivities
sara
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Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 3:44 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Stacey

go to the avoiding corn forum and ask there

http://forums.delphiforums.com/AvoidingCorn/messages

you need to join delphi if you don't already belong


Deb - dogtorj.com has pet foods he suggests - not sure what is on his list - you will need to find his section there
Stacey
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Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 4:33 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks for everyone's help. Sara, I picked up a bag of Origen Saturday (dogtorj rec) and he seems better today. Playing and no pain... but I'm just so afraid trying new foods on him. Deb, what do you think about dogs eating grain even free of glutamate? He's come so far with all the medical and skin issues. He looked awful a while back and he's a beautiful Komondor when his skin is not a wreck/feeling well. I never would have picked up on his pain being a food issue had I not tried the raw/home cooked meals :-( Bo'nana, Great Dane Lady helped get him where he is today along with two wonderful vets that think outside the box but now I'm worried about the nzymes through GD Lady products... Do you know anything about them? Thanks and hope you all have a wonderful week! Max says Thanks!!!
Deb A.
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Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2011 - 3:05 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

What a beautiful dog! I am no expert when it comes to dogs...but as long as the grain is not hydrolyzed, you can try it..see how he does.
Stacey
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Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2011 - 5:21 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks Deb. I filled in the little icon giving his thanks but it's small not sure it's visible. I'm still researching the food. He has oozing spots all over again so gave him a medicated bath. Hopefully they will go away but his one vet thinks he has yeast issues so that's why we I tried nzymes products and I do not want him back on drugs. He definately has yeast on his paws and I'm at a loss for direction. We've both taken enough antibiotics, antimalarials and supplements to kill a few horses. Would someone please look at http://www.nzymes.com/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=7&idproduct=12 ingredients for all four products and give me your advice. A couple of the ingredients bother me but I'm still a novice. The sprouted granules are derived from soy but not heated... Any advise for yeast issues? He was on cephalexin for well over a month which cleared things up but problems are returning. I should post the photos of how awful his skin was a while back not to mention how painful it was for him. Thanks for any feedback. The Orijen may be to rich for him as his butt is very red. I mixed some organic pumpkin with his dinner.
bo'nana
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Posted on Friday, April 01, 2011 - 8:00 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

...ive recently discovered that both my kids are sensitive to stewed or boiled pumpkin, it gives them upset stomachs... altho they both insist that baked into bread or pie is just fine. i havent noticed the same problem with other winter squash ie acorn or hubbard- but now thinking about it, i am realizing that i always bake those too.
seems like maybe its the boiling/stewing that does something to make the pumpkin less tolerable to them.

...was wondering, do you know for certain that pumpkin doesnt cause your pup any extra problems? it is very high in fiber... could explain his red hinder if it just cropped up...
bo'nana
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Posted on Friday, April 01, 2011 - 8:11 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

oh, i just noticed you mentioned "oozing spots" on his skin... so i wanted to suggest trying a Borax wash...
ive had red, patchy, sometimes weepy eczema on my face for several months now and have discovered that if i wash my face every nite with a little borax dissolved in warm water it really helps to keep it in check! several patches have healed completely... id assumed it was the detoxing being so effective but they came right back as soon as i got complacent about using the borax to wash with- now im back on the wagon they are disappearing again
could be worth a shot if you havent tried it for him allready- let me know if it helps!
Stacey
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Posted on Friday, April 01, 2011 - 2:00 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bo'nana, have not noticed pumpkin giving him problems and Wednesday/last night was the first time he's ate organic pumpkin in a few weeks and seems fine today. We originally started that when he was having problems w/his anal glands. That was another nightmare and I finally found a vet to inject the antibiotic directly into his anal gland and haven’t had problems with it since except the vet who is now afraid of him, LOL. Funny story…
I think the Orijen is just richer than what he was eating (California Natural grain free) and have read that can cause loose stools in the beginning (fiber) while adjusting to the food so will give it some time until we find clean meat. I really believe the grocery store red meat caused his last two episodes with itching, oozing, lethargy and leg/shoulder pain and I'm considering hidden corn may be the cause. I've been researching the ingredients in past food he was on and all contain some form of hidden corn and/or glutamate. However, I still worry yeast but would think hidden additives could cause/look like a yeast issue but actually be an allergic/intolerance response. I think?
I feel like I've been run over by a truck again today. I ate so well yesterday and totally messed up last night eating Trader Joe's Dried Pomegranate seeds. I'm an idiot as I thought I removed all the bad stuff from my cabinets but missed the dry shelf. I didn’t fall asleep until 8 am after taking two xanax which are probably loaded with crap but I needed sleep, my body/mind was racing and this is the only thing that ever works… Sleeping pills never worked for me when they tried that a few years ago. I had not had to do this since the buffalo meat episode. I just woke up at 4:45pm. Ugh!
Anyway, I read the ingredients last night about 4am and realized I consumed the following ingredients: Dried Pomegranate Arils (seeds, sugar, citric acid, Pomegranate juice concentrate and other natural flavors, lemon juice concentrate, high oleic sunflower oil. I started itching, twitching, stomach issues, feeling off right away then the insomnia just like when I eat red meat.
Oh, I forgot to mention Max's lip swells periodically and I think it’s when he consumes red meat. It looks great today but he's not consumed any store bought meat since the Catilli lamb/Meyers beef incident. Thanks again for the information. Thanks on the Borax wash. I will try that. What brand do you buy (regular green box brand)? Hopefully I can drag my butt to the store get some Borax tonight. Thank you again for all your help and I hope you have a wonderful weekend.
bo'nana
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Posted on Friday, April 01, 2011 - 3:17 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

here's to a peaceful weekend for you & max too :-)

i just buy plain ole 20 Mule Team Borax off the laundry shelf... i understand some folks are wierded out by that concept, but it really is just PLAIN old borax in the box- and a whole lot cheaper than the same product with a different label would be in the health or beauty section. often cleaner too- no additives.

altho i should mention that with the extreme sensitivities you and max have to deal with, you will probly want to try a small test run before really applying it all over... there are a few folks on earth clinic who have complained of unpleasant side effects (ie their rash getting worse rather than better). but by far most people have given it raves as a skin treatment, & i know its an oldy- my grandma's generation used to swear by it
Stacey
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Posted on Wednesday, June 22, 2011 - 7:09 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thumbs up on the 20 Mule Team mixed with Bragg vinegar. The recipe actually calls for peroxide but read you can use the vinegar. His skin looks the best ever!!! How's the Borax going for you Bo'nana?
bo'nana
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Posted on Wednesday, June 22, 2011 - 8:35 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

hooray!! thats such good news, stacey- thanx for sharing :-)

and my skin also is the best its been for a long long time... i finally figured out that my oil treatments which worked beautifully to zap the demodex/rosacea into remission, were unfortunately the very thing that allowed skin yeast to fluorish instead...
there's not a whole lot of good useful info on malasezzia in humans online, but when i finally began looking at veterinary sites instead... Bingo. everything began lining up.

all the dermatology sites seem to be of the opinion that the pityriasis alba flaking & discoloration all over my arms is a "benign" condition and no treatment is recommended beyond steroids or 'live with it'. how helpful! but i found on a vet site that pityriasis is caused by malasezzia yeast.
likewise for the faint itchy heel pitting id also developed over the last few months.
and no discussion of malasezzia causing persistent eczema style flaking, or a skin thinning/orange peel effect, or with constant small follicular pustules included... but i found all of that discussed on veterinaray sites, and also a mention of malasezzia going along with demodex overgrowth. Interesting! ...now i think ive probly been fighting the same kind of infection your Max has struggled with- why wont human dermatologists listen to the animal docs??? mammals are mammals after all... in some ways we're not that different

anyway, so i obviously have some underlying condition (i believe viral, becoz of the chronic fatigue issues) which must predispose me toward skin problems as ive gone through quite an assortment over the past year or so: first demodex overgrowth, then bacterial folliculitis from the die-off, then perioral dermatitis all around my mouth & under my eyes, then ringworm (thanx a lot kitteh!), and right along with all that now i understand ive also been developing a nice little overgrowth of Malasezzia yeast...
so it would seem that something is predisposing me toward skin issues resulting from common things in the environment. yuck.

anyway... for about 3 weeks ive been off all oils and using pure aloe vera gel instead, following my borax washes, and ive improved a lot- yippee! ...and guess where i got the recommendation to try aloe vera? yup- a holistic vet site :-)

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