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ali
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Posted on Monday, June 28, 2010 - 8:23 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Im wondering what other women on the site use to dye their hair. I have switched to organic shampoos, soaps etc, not because i felt particularly affected by them at this present time, but it just seemed like madness to apply chemicals in this manner when avoiding eating them as much as possible.

Anyway, i hadnt coloured my hair in a while, but the grey was coming through thick and fast, and i just couldnt bear it!! Ive really long dark hair, and it was very noticable. So yesterday i coloured it with a regular colour from the chemist. I didnt read the ingredients list. It was a case, of stick my head in the sand and just do it, as the grey had to go!!! Well im paying the price for my vanity today. I have a headache, sinus pain, stiff shoulders and neck and my mood is less than good!!! I last felt like this when i worked in a greenhouse. I used to feel like that every single day i worked there. I now realise, due to whatever it was they sprayed on their plants. I dread to think what i ingested doing that job!!

So obviously, i dont want to be putting any chemical dyes on my hair again, if this is the price i pay. I was just wondering what natural hair dyes any of you may have tried?? Or do i have to just put up with having grey hair??? I really dont want to do that. Thanks Ali

ps...on a brighter note, my hair looks great!!!
bo'nana
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Posted on Monday, June 28, 2010 - 9:17 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ha ha- i know what you mean!
i am still using Miss Clairol Pro and Ion dyes, and doing the job meself. this last time i decided to add a little more red and whoa! the smell from the new tint about knocked me over. however, vanity doth persevere....
but likewise, a lot of new pain & fatigue the next couple days (mostly head, neck, shoulders)

unfortunately, i havent been able to find anything that is both truly natural and truly works! i am hoping, now that this blondie is a redhead again, to maintain the colour a bit longer between dyes by using henna until i can stand my roots no longer :-) (...usually every 4 months...)

i too have been wondering what some of you other gals do? bite the bullet and go grey, or keep coloring and take the pain? are there any good options?
ali
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Posted on Monday, June 28, 2010 - 9:28 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Glad im not alone Bo'nana!! But really, i feel terrible.

In retrospect this has happened before, but i used to feel like this so often i never made the connection. Since "cleaning" up my act on the food front, its blatantly the cause of my misery today. Aside from the headache and shoulder and neck stiffness i feel quite nauseous and light headed and generally a bit foggy. Its horrible. But boy does my hair look good!!! Funnily enough the dye i used has a fair bit of red in it.

Look forward to hearing of any safe alternatives that are good at covering that pesky grey!!
kristy
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Posted on Monday, June 28, 2010 - 4:48 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

This is a site I saw mentioned on another forum: http://hennaforhair.com/
ali
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Posted on Monday, June 28, 2010 - 10:49 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

cheers Kirsty for that kirsty. Ill check it out.Ali
Kaye
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Posted on Tuesday, June 29, 2010 - 9:09 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I just got a dehydrator and would like to give it a try. It did not come with directions - can anyone help me? I was thinking of trying strawberries to start with. I assume I would slice them first. How long will it take and what temperature should I try? Any help would be appreciated. Kaye
kristy
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Posted on Tuesday, June 29, 2010 - 6:41 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Kaye, There is some good dehydrating info on here:
http://www.backpackingchef.com/dehydrating-fruit.html
http://farmgal.tripod.com/Dehydrate.html

There are also several Yahoo Groups about dehydrating:
http://groups.yahoo.com/search?query=dehydrate&submit=Search
Evelyn
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Posted on Wednesday, June 30, 2010 - 5:14 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

On the hair dye: even the "organic" ones had hydrolyzed protein in them. I discovered that hair dye was a vehicle for the massive od of msg I was getting unknowingly and had been looking for a safe one these past 6 months. I finally settled on matrix gray series, but you have to have a hairdresser friend order for you, if you want to do yourself. Caution: Ammonia is converted(?) to glutamate when inhaled (we don't have any smokers do we?) so have someone else mix for you and apply in a WELL ventilated area. The first time I had it done in a salon with closed doors and no AC on I nearly choked to death. Next time door open, did fine - third time (I've only just found it) door closed, AC on ok.
ali
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Posted on Wednesday, June 30, 2010 - 9:55 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I didnt realise that ammonia converted to glutamate. I applied mine in the en-suite bathroom with no window!!! No wonder it nearly knocked me out this time around. I normally do it in the family bathroom with good ventilation. I did think the reaction was far more extreme this time around. That goes someway to explaining my reaction. I felt ill for two days with headache and severe brain fog.
Im still on the lookout for a safer one, but even with a safer one, i will always be sure to use it in a well ventilated place. Thanks so much for sharing that information Evelyn.

I checked out the henna site and that looked good until i saw the price. For the amount of hair i have (its very long and thick) id need fifty euros worth as opposed to the fifteen it costs me now. Ouch!!!
kristy
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Posted on Wednesday, June 30, 2010 - 12:58 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That was pretty much the consensus on the other forum. It is going to get easier to embrace our natural hair color and go gray in style instead of fighting it. There was a lot of talk about how hard it is to give up that vanity. I guess it is easier for me because I had to give up all makeup years ago because I couldn't find any I could wear (I might have been more successful if I had deeper pockets and knew what I needed to avoid). I was always a blond and as I got older, my hair got darker. I retaliated by coloring my hair blond, but have had to get used to myself with light brown hair now.
bo'nana
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Posted on Wednesday, June 30, 2010 - 5:17 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

guess i am just... not... ergh... quite... agh... there. YET :-)

i always see these ladies with absolutely fabulous 'au naturel' skin & hair, and think... y'know, i bet i could do that too...
then glimpse the mirror & reality sets in- i may still clean up fairly well, but unfortunately age is just not going to be kind to this bird...
and i doubt "dishwater" is a flattering colour, in any culture.

thanks for the advice on ammonia, evellyn- in the future i will definitely be sure to ventilate- ventilate- ventilate! the bathroom window was open, but we had the door closed to keep the cat out. i expect that pretty much defeated the purpose! no wonder i felt so woozy after...
Evelyn
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Posted on Wednesday, June 30, 2010 - 7:55 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm right there with you, bo - tried the natural look and all I saw in the mirror was course, kinky dull gray - not the pretty white fluff my Mom has had for years. I was blonde too, but as it has darkened, I go for something closer to the light brown, as close as possible so that it is not obvious growing out, as most of my gray is underneath and at the temples. I'll see if I can find that ammonia reference and post it - but not tonight... :-)
ali
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Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2010 - 1:33 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Im right there with you all. If theres one thing i am vain about its my hair. Im not really a makeup girl. Every now and then but certainly not a daily thing, or even weekly or monthly, but my hair....im very attached to!! Im at a bit of a loss at the moment as it was such a full on horrible reaction i had. Im going to be brave i think and leave it alone for three months and see just how much grey is in there and then take it from there. I dont know if you get the dove hair and soap adverts in the states??? If you do you will have seen the advert with the woman with the beautiful long grey hair. Once it all goes grey i hope to achieve that look!!! A long time in the future i hope!! hehe
Judith
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Posted on Tuesday, July 06, 2010 - 5:07 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I've had good luck with Garnier Nutrisse haircolor. I've had to switch from other manufacturers because they keep adding hdrolyzed everything to their color. But this one doesn't bother me, and the smell is much less strong than other kinds I've tried. I've had no luck finding a safe natural alternative as they all seem to have MSG in them or they are really no safer than Nutrisse in the chemical count. I've heard of a lot of people having allergic reactions to henna so that makes me less keen to try. I also haven't really liked anyone's hair who I've known to use henna.
ali
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Posted on Tuesday, July 06, 2010 - 5:43 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It was Granier Nutrisse that i had the problem with Judith. I previously used Garnier 100%naturals, but it just wasnt doing the job anymore on all the grey. :-( I think the reason i had such a problem with it is because i was silly enough to use it in a very small ensuite with no ventilation. You are right, Judith, on the msg front it reads okay and is no worse than any of the others on the chemical count.
The issue with henna i think is if you have had a henna tattoo. You can be more suseptible to an allergic reaction to other dyes there after. Not 100% sure on that. I used henna when i was a lot younger and doing my hippy dippy phase and had no issues with it, other than i just got bored of the red. Cheers Judith x
bo'nana
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Posted on Tuesday, July 06, 2010 - 7:43 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

this is so funny- i just had a dream in which all the colour had just washed out of my hair except for (get this) something that looked like bright red lavender blossoms attached to the very ends- i looked in the mirror- my reflection looked like a giant red-tipped dandelion- i SCREAMED and woke up.

guess i must be thinking about the whole hair thing a little much, ha!

anyway thanx for the tips, judith. i know ive seen Garnier shampoos in the stores here, i will look for the dye and try it next time.
i really wanted to try the henna, unfortunately it seems i would have to use it on untreated hair.... i would have to let it all grow out & start fresh... ick... eventually
ali
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Posted on Tuesday, July 06, 2010 - 9:46 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

thats the same problem i have bo'nana. would love to switch to henna but ive very long hair and it would take years to grow out all the dye. Ive thought about cutting it, but no, its really not an option!!! Ive only ever had short hair once and i just didnt feel like me.

I had no issues with the garnier 100% naturals as far as reaction went. It did cover the grey but it seemed to not last too long and lighten quite quickly on the grey areas. Think i may switch back to that from the nutrisse though as i really suffered with it. Ive a few weeks grace on making a decision. I have also wondered about getting the colour stripped from my hair and then trying henna, but i suspect i will end up with green hair and end up dying over it and be back to square one. I seem to have a vague memory of a green henna experience years ago...so not a good look!!!
Judith
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Posted on Tuesday, July 06, 2010 - 12:42 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sorry Ali! I have a completely untried theory that the more intense the color, the worse the chemicals. I use dark blonde or one of the ones in that category. For you, long hair means you're using twice as much, and it's taking you longer to do it, too. I also am leery of the conditioner that follows the process. Although it doesn't list MSG derivatives on the label, this is where the other manufacturers seem to stick the bulk of it, so I use as little as possible, but that's not an option for you. Obviously you're not going to cut your hair, so perhaps another try with good ventilation is your next step. There is little to choose from, that's for sure. The "natural" ones are a joke. And like you, the risks of henna on treated hair seem a bit too much. If your hair is long, that's probably an unacceptable risk. I'd risk a reaction for my hair, but have not eaten anything containing MSG in years! Vanity...oh I have found a great cosmetics line for those of us on the list: Zuii from Australia. The only safe mascara I've been able to find in the last six months, too. It is made with rose petals and smells divine, I feel like an Egyptian princess everytime I put it ion. We MSG-challenged women don't get to use scented products very often.
ali
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Posted on Tuesday, July 06, 2010 - 12:54 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I must confess to not having read the label on my mascara Judith...i imagine i should!! I'm not a daily or even weekly make up user aside from a quick coat of mascara most mornings. Ill be brave tomorrow and check that label. Then i can add finding a safe mascara to my ever growing list.

You are right about the dye. I used two packets just to get it all covered because it was a new colour and a switch in type. Next time i will jsut be doing the roots.Then about twice a year i do the whole lot with two packets. I will be sure to do it in a well ventilated room the next time even for a quick root cover.

Do you buy the Zuii on line? Ill have a look see can i find it. Ive never seen it on the shelves here.
Thanks for the tip Judith.
Judith
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Posted on Tuesday, July 06, 2010 - 1:06 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Zuii is carried in most health food stores (I'm in Canada) around here. You can shop online, however:
https://www.zuiiorganic.com/
Mascaras seem to have citric acid, xanthan gum and various proteins that aren't very healthy for us. I am also trying to use less manufactured chemicals and parabens when possible, so Zuii scores on that account as well. However, cosmetics change ingredients regularly so I always check every box. They are a friendly company and are happy to email ingredient lists as they're still working on their website.
ali
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Posted on Tuesday, July 06, 2010 - 1:24 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks so much for that Judith. Ill have a look.

I've been using a lot less chemicals in general.Ive recently overhauled our kitchen cleaners and other cleaning products.Thats proving expensive though to be honest. More than double the price for an eco kitchen spray than the chemical laden stuff. Ive just been looking on Amazon to see could i find a book on green cleaning with household stuff. Like using bicarb and lemon juice, that sort of thing. Seems madness to spend all that time and effort getting a chemical free diet and then go around spraying toxins in the name of cleaning!!

Im a little more reluctant to part with my hair dyes and personal hygiene stuff, but have started to use herbal organic shampoos and conditioners. I am aware that the body shop facewash i use has citric acid in it, so i need to look at changing that too.....its never ending!! And i know i need to check what exactly im smearing on my face every day in the hope of getting the wrinkles to stop coming...ive a way to go when i get to thinking about the products i use. im going to have to be ruthless and just make the changes!!
Cheryla
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Posted on Monday, January 24, 2011 - 6:39 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I was wondering if anyone knew of good hair products - my current Paul Mitchell and Redken have alot of hydrolyzed proteins in. Just noticed. Does anyone know if hydolyzed sweet almond protein is ok? That is listed in my ojon shampoo from QVC.
My cousin highlighted my hair last night and I thought I was going to die. I instantly got really congested, hard to breathe, and my body started swelling, plus my mouth got really itchy She gave me a store brand benedryl (blue gel cap) I got a little better but still had to take something else when I got home. I am still achy and congested and have neck and shoulder pain. She told me my body chemistry has changed. She has been doing my hair for about 30+ years, but we have not highlighted in years. She said my color used to come up easily and it was really stubborn yesterday, good thing we just did the front of my hair not the whole head. She is a licensed operator so she know what she is doing. I did read the ingredients after that happened and it said in bold type "hydrolyzed wheat protein". Guess we won't be using that product any more - it was a type of hair bleach, not an actual color.
bo'nana
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Posted on Monday, January 24, 2011 - 6:05 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

welll... im still kinda exploring this too, but- after the dye really DID end up just washing right out of my hair within 3 weeks of the last chem dye (mentioned above), and that after having to spend the first week half dead from the after-effects of the fumes- i finally decided i have had right about enough. No more Chem Dyes or Bleaches are going on this head, its just too punishing for too little return.

so, a couple months ago i decided to go ahead and give Henna a go, figuring even green would be a change from dreary dishwater. and what luck- it worked :-) ...its rather a pain in the butt to apply, i had to completely clean the bathroom afterward, on the other hand- NO fumes, NO greenyness or other unpleasant side effects, and altho the colour has lightened quite a bit, it still looks cheery and seems to be blending well with my icky old roots so i wont probly have to redo it for another month...

as for hairwash, ive discovered my hair & scalp tolerates Burts Bees shampoos & conditioners- they are sulfate/sulfite free- hooray!! i know some of the folks on the board have said they react to the hydrolysed proteins in hair products but this formula has hydrolysed soy protein and so far i havent seen a reaction... i guess you'd just have to try the almond & see. i personally seem to react to the coconut base most shampoos use, so i was excited to find the Burts Bees formulas seem to be (mostly?) coconut free... i have zero tolerance to soy in my diet, but so far it doesnt appear to be having any bad effects on my hair or scalp. and honestly i must say i am glad to have a break from the olive oil bar shampoos, they do get the job done but leave such a heavy residue on thin fine hair... its nice to not be having a Bad Hair Day every day for a change, ha ha
Deb A.
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Posted on Tuesday, January 25, 2011 - 9:15 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I use Nature's Gate Baby shampoo..it may contains some citric acid, but so far, have done okay. They also make a conditioner with herbs.
kristy
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Posted on Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - 11:51 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Cheryla, You need to be very careful because that was an allergic reaction and not simply an intolerance. Any allergic reaction could turn into anaphylaxis so you need to be vigilant, especially with a respiratory and edema (swelling) reaction at the same time. Anaphylaxis is actually categorized as a reaction that involves two or more body systems, so hives and breathing issues would be anaphylaxis and swelling and low blood pressure are also an anaphylactic reaction. I believe the reaction you had was technically anaphylaxis and you probably should have administered an epi-pen and went to the ER. I don't want to scare you, but you need to be aware so you can keep yourself safe:
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~aair/anaphylaxis.htm

At the very least, you should have compounded diphenhydramine (benedryl) on your person at all times. You'll need a doctor to write a Rx for benedryl that is corn and soy free and that will give you an antihistamine with no harmful additives that you might react to. Benedryl won't do you very much good if it contains a substance that you're also allergic to....Go to an allergist and describe your reactions to him. Maybe you can find out exactly what you're allergic to and get an epi-pen prescription and instructions on how and when to use it.

I suspect corn, soy, wheat or mold to be your issue if you are reacting to a wide variety of foods - those particular ones are widely used as hidden ingredients in processed foods and household products. There is corn in some form in almost every processed food in America whether as an ingredient or used an aid in packaging or processing: pure maple syrup can contain corn because corn oil can be used as a defoamer, sandwich meat can contain corn because cornstarch is used on the plastic packaging to keep it from sticking, frozen fruit with only one ingredient can contain corn because the fruit is dusted with cornstarch to keep it from sticking and baby carrots contain corn because they are washed in a citric acid solution--bet you didn't know baby carrots were a processed food). Soy is hidden as "Vitamin E" or tocopherols in many foods and products. Wheat can be hidden in any product that doesn't specifically say "gluten-free" but it isn't as widespread as corn. Mold because most corn additives are made using the mold Aspergillis Niger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspergillus_niger) and molds can be a contaminant in our grain supply, fermented foods (like vinegar), mushrooms (they're a fungus so people allergic to mold react to them, too), shelled nuts, dehydrated foods and spices. Actually, if you are allergic to penicillin, you are probably allergic to mold as well. Some people realize an allergy to penicillin long before their allergy to mold. My email address is listed on the email pages of this forum so you can email if have any questions.
cheryla
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Posted on Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - 1:52 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

kristy - where do I find the email pages?
I am allergic to penicillin too - lucky me. I did plan on asking my primary about an epi-pen when I see her in a couple of weeks.

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