|Posted on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 - 8:21 am: || |
In doing some googling on this, I read one article that said auxigro isn't being marketed in the US anymore.
Is that true?
Is auxigro posing a problem for you? Do you think it's the cause of random problems?
Say, for example, you had the impression that kettle potato chips was an issue, is ti because of auxigro or something else
Is it more likely to be found on organic produce because it's "natural" vs. supermarket spuds?
Any thoughts would be very much appreciated.
|Posted on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 - 10:57 am: || |
I also read that about Auxigro, but that farmers that have a store of it may still be using it.
|Posted on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 - 8:30 pm: || |
I worry about the "fish emulsion" that some organic growers are using as well. I wouldn't eat farm raised fish on a dare and from what I understand fish emulsion is farm raised fish waste boiled.....Yikes...Oh well, where I live in the boonies I don't get a choice of many organic veggies anyway.
|Posted on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 4:18 am: || |
I never heard of "fish emulsion".
I only started tracking farmed salmon vs. wild salmon in my excel food diary about a month ago, when I saw the term "color added" on farmed salmon at the supermarket.
I asked, and they said: "no big deal", beta carotene is just added to the fish feed.
At the time, I was sensing that my mult-vitamin was causing me problems (didn't dream at the time it might have been the gelcap), so I decided that I could do without the vitamin fortified fishies.
|Posted on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 6:04 pm: || |
Fish emulsion or Hydrolyzed Protein is very much in use everywhere. I cannot eat the crops grown in it. For me it is the same as putting MSG in my food.
I have to wonder where they are getting enough of waste protein to cover all the crops in the whole country.
Are you folks familiar with the Organic Consumers Organization?
They have a forum also.
I wonder if the Organic Growers read it.
Do any of you write to the various companies producing what you eat?
If they get enough letters they might possibly change their ways.
|Posted on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 6:08 pm: || |
Do you find eating something with a thick skin that you don't eat (like banana, cantaloupe) is ok?
Have you found any brands of frozen veggies (like broccoli) that are ok for you?
If so, I'd love to have some brand names to try,
|Posted on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 6:16 pm: || |
Do you think it is more likely to get auxigro, Fish emulsion or Hydrolyzed Protein on:
1. fresh supermarket produce
2. frozen supermarket produce
3. fresh produce at Whole Foods
4. frozen 365 brand produce at Whole Foods?
Thanks in advance for your vote.
|Posted on Wednesday, October 28, 2009 - 7:32 pm: || |
My understanding is that they cannot use Auxigro on USDA certified organic items. Other "organic" labels will not be immune.
My guess would be that frozen is better than fresh because it doesn't have to look as good.
|Posted on Saturday, December 19, 2009 - 6:15 am: || |
I wanted to share the partial answer I got from Whole Foods for my question:
Could you please tell me if the following:
5. Hydrolyzed Protein
6. Fish emulsion,
8. or anything containing free glutamic acid
is sprayed on the crop in the field, fed to (as a fertilizer) , or used in the packaging of:
* 365 Frozen Strawberry,
* 365 Frozen Blueberry,
* 365 Frozen Broccoli
Here's what I got so far:
OK, here is the information I have gathered.
From Oregon State University via our vendor:
Fish emulsion is used in organic blueberry production. I am not aware of using hydrolyzed protein, Auxigro, or others. I think the cost along will prohibit the use of 1, 3, and 4 you mentioned as N source for blueberry production. Other good organic N sources are blood meal and feather meal, which are more expensive than fish emulsion.
From our vendor:
organic farmers indeed use the fish emulsion as a nitrogen source for organic blueberries, but not hydrolyzed protein or auxigro.
Carlos also spoke with some strawberry growers who indicated to him they also use the fish emulsion at times as a nitrogen source for their strawberry plants.
Just wanted to share some information regarding the L_Glutamic Acid. In the past farming industries used this product to enhance the flowering process of the fruit bearing plants.
Toxicologist believe that the free L-Glutamic Acid is responsible for brain and neurological disorders. It is my understanding free L-gutamic acid products have been banned in the USA.
Most of you know the term MSG and it also contains some free L-Glutamic acid which has not been banned in foods.
So in short (in red):
1. Hydrolyzed Protein- NO strawberries, blueberries; UNKNOWN yet broccoli
2. Fish emulsion- YES strawberries, blueberries; UNKNOWN yet broccoli
3. Auxigro- NO strawberries, blueberries; UNKNOWN yet broccoli
4. or anything containing free glutamic acid- NO strawberries, blueberries; UNKNOWN yet broccoli
|Posted on Saturday, December 19, 2009 - 10:58 am: || |
Thanks for obtaining that information!
|Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 12:01 am: || |
so, auxigro is not being marketed in the u.s. anymore?
... but... then my next question would be, what has Monsanto replaced it with?
reason i ask, is becoz i have noticed for the past couple years that it seems like i just cant find a decent Celery anymore. even the OG ones are so tough!! its the strings in the ribs... they dont even cook down in soup, just turn into little chunks of something like wood!
ive taken to stripping it all out of the stalks...
lately too i have been noticing that other veggies are getting really tough and pithy, for instance the fresh broccoli i just bought, it had a core that looked like styrofoam- like a much older broc than it actually was... didnt really have much taste or smell when cooked, either...
same with carrots, unless organic with tops still on
has anyone else been noticing anything like this?
i thought maybe it was because of auxigro...
what is going on??
|Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 2:01 pm: || |
Notice it all the time. Giant veggies and fruit and are like styrofoam with no taste.
Don't know what to do about it. If you watch Food, Inc. you see that there are only about 4 companies left and they own all the food.
I can't grow all my own, but wish I could.
|Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 2:31 pm: || |
seen it! believe it! and purty darn depressed about it!!
like you, i dont really know how to effectively avoid it either...
we live in a small city apt with VERY limited garden space (tho i try to keep a few herbs and a tomato or two in the summers). we do have lots of farms here in the Willamette valley- which are up & running about half the year.... but from Nov to about mid April, we are stuck with whatever is available at the markets. organic would be the way to go, if it were only affordable... its at least double the price of the 'other stuff'. sometimes a lot more than that! sometimes it just winds up being a choice between having consistently high standards, or having enough food for the whole family... =(
(sure do like reading the posts by Ali and Marianne and some of the others tho!
its great hearing about all your garden successes guys!
...keep it up!!)
|Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 8:18 pm: || |
Look for farmer's markets or CSA's near you. The produce (even nonorganic) at my farmers market is far superior to any that can be found in the grocery store. I plan to freeze a lot of produce this year from the farmers market because we had a miserable winter last year trying to make it on what was in the grocery store alone.
Also, in small apartments, you might want to look into sprouting. It takes almost no room and is very cheap - even when using only organic sprouting seeds and beans. I made my own sprouting jar by drilling a lot of holes into the plastic lid for an old honey jar. There may also be urban community gardens nearby that you can participate in. I grew peppers and tomatoes on my balcony when I lived in an apartment. It doesn't take as much room as you would think and on a balcony, there is almost no weeding or bugs.
Here are some links to help you find good local produce and meat:
Check out this link for an awesome fire escape garden: http://www.urbanorganicgardener.com/my-urban-gardens/new-york-vegetable-gardens/new-york-city-fire-escape-garden-2/
|Posted on Monday, May 03, 2010 - 8:15 am: || |
thanks for all the great suggestions kristy... everything helps.
i guess the frustration that LisaMarie & i were feeling is maybe the fact that everything we are realistically able to do just seems like a drop in the bucket as they say...
everyone has different abilities & capabilities for escape from this mess, some of us are sure to be more successful than others, and some have greater options to explore too... but all ideas and suggestions hugely welcomed!
speaking for meself only, my family is hugely limited by budget constraints- a lot of times it just ends up being a choice between sticking by high standards, or having enough food to feed all of us. that is part of the reason the kids and i ended up ill at all, and i was always trying to make healthy choices for them based on whatever level of knowledge & ability i had at the time... believe me, i would do all my shopping at the farms & farmer markets if i could! the food prices in my area have gotten so high that many times organics cost double, triple, or even quadruple the price of conventional. i just cant do it!
the other 2 big limiting factors for my family is time, and space...
i too keep what edibles i can growing in pots on the steps. dont dare plant any kind of eating garden in the ground, the soil is far too contaminated to trust. right now we have a new apt mgr who has all sorts of great innovative ideas... she is trying to get permission for a raised community garden in the courtyard (yay!)- however, realistically, i am just about certain the owners wont go for it (boo!)... but we are trying to explore our options for it at least (:
i love hearing from all the folks fortunate enough to live on farms, or who have been able to begin creating their own! wonderful! WONDERfUL!! keep it up, all of you! it just might be the only way to truly be out of this mess for good!
my heritage descends from a long line of farmers (euro) and keepers of the land (first nations)... sometimes i feel the land calling to me... and i always feel so alive when i have my hands in the good soil right up to my elbows! Farming is what GOD created me for, my spirit feels it... but alas, the realities of my life conspire to prevent it... sigh...
the time thing is a real limiting factor too, unfortunately... years ago when the kids were first starting in school, my husband and i realized that a) our older boy is a square peg compelled to try bashing himself into the round holes of life... and b) our neighborhood schools arent so very great. they arent bad schools, its just that the educational experience they provide is... mediocre. so we made the choice to opt for charter for both kids, as our best means of investing into their future. we've all been extremely happy with their educations, cash is now in middle school and he LOVES learning! maxx, our younger, is in 3rd grade and is our budding artiste (: ... and both are in very nurturing school environments that pull the very best performance out of all the kids attending.
one major drawback tho... it means i am in the car for 3 hours every day, making a commute that really chops up my options for anything else. when i am home, it seems i am mostly in the kitchen, planning, preparing, or cleaning up from our meals... the rest of my time is mostly spent back on the road, shopping for bargain for all our household needs.
forgot one constraint for meslf personally too, that is energy- as someone who struggles against the limitations of autoimmune illness, energy is a resource i just dont have a lot of anymore...
hoping with all the changes im making becoz of what ive been learning on this site, i might see meself with more energy eventually... that would be nice!
but by the end of the day, when i look around me and still see so many chaotically unfinished chores and responsibilities, sometimes i just want to pull the covers over my head & sleep for a long, long time...
ive gone on a lot longer than i meant- apologies if it came across like whining, it wasnt meant to. just wanted to try offering a bit fuller picture of my own life situation...
believe me, i really appreciate all your tips and suggestions, some ideas i may not be able to implement yet, but i know i will revisit all these posts over and over... and eventually be able to say, hey, i can do that now!
so keep sharing, please... and i LOVE your enthusiasm. its contagious! (: (:
|Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 1:34 am: || |
Believe me, I understand. I have a million things I want to be doing but can't because of chronic fatigue. I am lucky in that I have two very cooperative and motivated teenagers to help me do all that needs to be done to feed us. I am trying to get some merchandise together to sell at my local farmers market (a booth Sat. from 7 til 2 is only $10), but it is slow going when I am so exhausted just caring for chickens and the few plants I have planted and washing dishes and cooking. I am in the process of divorce right now and trying to survive on child support and food stamps because I can't work. My kids understand this and we are all on our way back to health only because of our current way of eating so we all pull together. My kids are always in the kitchen with me and we manage to get it done between us. I don't expect them to do more than I can do, but I do expect them to pull their weight. I also think it is very important for them to learn to cook for themselves. Having a corn and soy allergy means that they will never be able to eat like everyone else because corn and soy contaminates every restaurant meal, prepared/convenience food or drink in this country. They will have to know how to find corn-free staples and cook everything they want from scratch in order to survive once they move out on their own.
One thing that makes it much easier for us is that my kids are homeschooled. That commute of yours would wear anyone down. I only drive my car at all about twice a week (I try to combine errands so that I save on gas money).
The produce at my farmers market is much cheaper than the produce at the grocery store. I also make sure I am there at closing time to pick up any deals on produce that the vendors don't want to take home unsold. Keep your eyes open on your commute for any farmland and try just driving up and start asking. I found someone to till up my garden plot just by stopping at the nearest house with a tractor and asking. I also talk to all the vendors at the farmers market because they tend to know a lot of farmers that don't participate. Maybe you can find a farmer that would share his crop with you if you all go and help on the weekends with chores. I think talking to everyone you meet is the best way to find things. You never know when you will be having a completely routine conversation with someone new and find the answer you have been looking for or learn something that leads you one step closer.
I would try to recruit all the tenants in the community garden cause and try to get them all to sign a petition. Maybe the owners would permit it if all the tenants were in agreement. It's worth a shot anyway.
|Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 10:30 am: || |
Bo' it doesn't come off as whining, it comes off as reality. Sometimes being able to say it out loud or type it out loud helps to clear our way a bit. If nothing else it lightens the load. Kristy's advice (as usual) is spot on. She is very pragmatic and has been through her own story as all of us have. You will not find judgemental people here, just people that nod when they are reading your story and thinking I know what you mean, been there, done that. It stinks in the beginning and yes you will get more energy as you improve your health. Remember what you don't spend on clean food, you will eventually spend on medical bills. The idea of the farmer's market at days end is a good one. As you make the transition you can make a pot of soup, have meat for future chicken pot pie, have broth for gravy all with one chicken, some carrots celery and noodles, pasta and potatoes. I use my chicken for the soup, gravy, chicken caccitore, pot pie and even have a little for a chicken salad sandwich. I use Daisy sour cream, one of the cheapest ones and safe for us as mayo. It does mean thinking out of the box. Sometimes I look in the frig. and think everything here is poison. I do have mayo and other stuff that hubby can eat, but I can't. If you start out with just organic peanut butter and Kavli or Wasa plain crackers you can grab a fast bite to eat when you are starving and ready to just dive into the first thing that crosses your path. Find some safe eggs and use them for a nice big omlet with onions and potatoes. Or sandwiches. A doz. eggs can go a long way and are a pretty good bargain. So if you buy a bunch of celery, carrots, potatoes, eggs, a chicken, some pasta, and noodles (I use pasta that is either organic or says just 100" pure durum semolina, no enhancement vitamins thank you.) You will need daisy sour cream, Wasa plain rye crackers or kavli crackers, pick up some organic dill and oregano, it will last a long time. With the sour cream, dill and oregano you can make dip and use the crackers. A ten pound bag of potatoes, (not from Idaho) or even five will give you a few meals and a baked potatoe with sour cream a decadent lunch. I bleieve many here can eat Santitos corn chips. The kids will be so happy to have them. I use Newman's organic plain pop corn in a micro wave bag. You get either 3 or 4 bags in each box. Melt a little butter use Kosher or Canning salt and the kids will love it as well. You can even carmelize some sugar and drizzle it over the corn. Seriously the kids will be getting great treats for pretty cheap. I found that now I spend less on food than I did before, but I didn't believe that would be the case. I have been doing this for 3 years now and when I started I wanted to wish some years away so I could be up with the other contributors here. But each year is precious and the learning process is necessary. Pop in here and sound off any time you need to, we are all on your side. Kristy is right with the garden idea, sign up everyone you can. Mariann
|Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 10:50 am: || |
Mariann, I am shocked that you are eating microwave popcorn. But seriously, haven't you read about the cancer causing chemical lining in the bags? I would never begrudge anyone the joy of eating popcorn just because I can't, but I would strongly advise you to make it on the stovetop instead of eating microwave popcorn. I read somewhere that there were many ingredients in microwave popcorn that don't have to be listed because technically they are put on the bag and not on the corn. That is a recipe for disaster for anyone with intolerances.
|Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 1:09 pm: || |
Forwarned is forarmed. I can count on you to tell it like it is. It is one of the things that I like about you. Thanks Mariann PS I normally use my air popper with organic corn, but the hubby likes it quicker and easier. I think I have to give him more bad news.
|Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 1:20 pm: || |
We need a new topic...shortcuts to good snacks or sharing recipes. This would help all of us. We all need fast snack and meal ideas. I buy non organic quite often, since we have few stores that offer the organic. I look for smaller produce, not monster ones. I place in a large plastic bowl of warm sudsy water and swish and rinse well. Some people have called to say that they react to produce originally fertilized with fish emulsion...which must contain some hydrolyzed proteins. So I guess it is a matter of how much free glutamate each one of us can tolerate. We must learn our own threshold and go from there. Trust your body. As for securing safe foods, keep a journal of foods your do well with and where you purchased them..you will forget. Buy an extra freezer, join a co-op...look online for some in your area, and freeze as much as you can. Canning is great, too, especially if you share the work with a friend. I like to dehydrate apricots and pears. Check out places like Big Lots and Grocery outlet for organic products. I do fine with some of the Amy's frozen entrees. Yes, any big life change is work at first. It sure was for me. But give yourself at least a year, and then it will be "normal" for you to eat and live this much better way. I tell people that this is not a special diet. It is eating real, whole food, like our grandparents or great-grandparents ate all the time...when cooking was a revered art and expression of love. Teaching our children to cook and value healthy food, and also sitting down together to enjoy it, will enrich our lives.
|Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 3:32 pm: || |
Deb A., So well said!