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Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2016 - 1:16 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Over 9 years ago I found this website - the information it provided changed my life. Thank you Deb and all the wonderful, compassionate, generous people who have inspired my journey to health.

I had been in chronic pain, unable to walk or sit, and now I take daily walks, lead a normal life and even play tennis. I am finding the longer I avoid MSG and all its cousins, the better I feel. I don't take any medications and at 71 I am happy with that.

It is a shame that this discussion board isn't as active as it used to be, because I would love to send people here regularly, as I once did. My wish is that Deb will eventually be able to come back and provide frequent inspiration as she once did, because it truly made a difference.

Thanks, Roy, for all the help you have provided over the years - glad to see you still check in.
Deb A.
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Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2016 - 9:48 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Di! I am back...had to take a break for several reasons....two major moves and caring for relatives that have had serious health problems. I tore ligaments in my foot and have been dealing with that on top of things I more excuses. Will try even harder to regularly check in here. Again, I thank Tom and Roy for not giving up on this site and the people who need it. They are so caring. I am very happy to see your post and the much needed jab for me to get back into gear. Be sure to send people here and to tell them of all the info on the search part of this site...and also to our main site with all the info about MSG at We will be updating that soon. Thank, Di...good to hear you are still doing well!
Tom Fernstrom
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Posted on Monday, March 07, 2016 - 10:35 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Deb A.,

Sounds like you've got a lot on your plate. But no MSG I hope. :-)

Diís post made me think back to when I first started to learn about MSG as the cause of my A-Fib. That was back in 1998 after I was admitted to the hospital for symptoms of Congestive Heart Failure. So that was 18 years ago. I was able to get my heart back to a normal rhythm when I succeeded in eliminating MSG & Aspartame from my diet. That was until 2009 when I had an allergic reaction to a new blood pressure med that my insurance company insisted I switch to. I went into a coma, had to be resuscitated twice and did not come to until they changed my blood pressure med. But I was left in permanent A-Fib because of the reaction. I still have to avoid MSG because if I donít the heart rate really goes up and I pass out.

Iím still very happy I made the connection. :-)
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Posted on Monday, March 07, 2016 - 12:41 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Only a little over one year for me, but I am also forever grateful for this website and very happy I made the connection.
I knew I felt awful if I ate anything with msg in it, but I was completely ignorant of 'hidden msg'. I attributed my heart racing episodes to my thyroid medicine being too high and my achey joints as a welcome to middle age. Then one scary-big reaction after eating a 'no msg' hotdog + perfect thyroid levels tested the month before = lightbulb on, made the connection, finally. I thought I'd end up with hip surgery down the road to get some relief.
I've only had a couple minor learning incidents discovering things I react to - tomato sauces, canned beans, heating up milk too long for hot chocolate. And I've worked through a few times when I had a small pity party, rationalized and ate a little of something I could 'maybe' eat out. I feel so much better now. And I've very thankful to hear from others, it's encouraging and inspiring.

Wow Tom, that's a very scary reaction. Do you mind me asking, do you recall what the blood pressure medicine was? I just had a thought, my mom is on blood pressure medicine and has complained about her legs aching. I thought I was the only person in my family who was 'msg sensitive', but perhaps her aches are a result of her blood pressure medicine. ?? Might be nothing, but it's worth looking into.
Deb A.
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Posted on Monday, March 07, 2016 - 4:44 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

;) Hahahha! Good one, Tom. Yes..too much on my plate at times, but can still make time for this cause. When you hear from people like Lee, it makes everything worth it. I am so thankful to be able to still reach people. We also get lots of e mail to answer and that's good. Also, it is great to see that the "masses" seem to be getting more in tune with the body/health/food relationship. Mothers are demanding healthier food for their babies and children, more organic produce is being seen in grocery stores and markets with the organic and non GMO movement...and I am guessing that the increase in gluten free foods means people are more aware of the effects food has on their health. But still have to wonder if people love the Paleo and gluten free diets because without knowing it, they are eliminating a LOT of glutamate they would normally get in processed foods and commercial breads. Stay well Tom and Lee.
Tom Fernstrom
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Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2016 - 8:49 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


I had been on the brand name Toprol-XL for years with minimal side effects and it kept my blood pressure in the normal range. Then my insurance provider switched me to Metoprolol Tartrate. This was supposed to be the generic equivalent to Toprol-XL. I took it for a couple of weeks but complained to my doctor that it made me weak and short of breath and seemed to have put me in A-Fib. He told me that there was a period of transition and that the formulae was the exact same as the brand name Toprol-XL (I later found out that the patent for the brand drug ingredients had expired and thus the generic was developed Ė but the patent for the delivery method of Toprol-XL had not expired and thus the generic required multiple dosages during the day.) In my case I think it was that the dosing could not properly be administered and thus my adverse reaction.

I admitted myself to the ER and mentioned to the nurses that the BP meds were making me ill, but all they were concerned about was my A-Fib. I went into a coma that evening. A week and a half later I came out of my coma Ė just one day after they took me off Metoprolol Tartrate and put me on Labetalol. It was then that I was informed about how close to death I had been.

It is amazing the dangerous affect a little pill can cause let alone a deluge of food laced with excitotoxin poisons. Itís no wonder millions of people are walking around in drug induced dazes.

If I think back on all the illnesses I have been medicating for over the years, there is a definite possibility none of them would have been required if I had not been ingesting copious amounts of MSG all my younger life. :-(
Deb A.
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Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2016 - 11:04 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Wow, Tom. I had no idea of the trauma your body experienced...and not that long ago. SO sorry. I totally agree with what you said about all the meds we took to try to counteract the effects of the MSG rich foods we ate for years and thought we were just sick or unhealthy....even when we were younger. Maddening.
Tom Fernstrom
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Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2016 - 6:44 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Deb A.,

I'm more scared of the food and drug industry than ISIS.

It sure would be nice if we could pit the insurance industry against the food industry. Can you imagine how much less insurance companies would have to pay out because everyone who suffers excitotoxin reactions would not be filing claims?

This would especially make sense now that Obama Care requires people to have health insurance. Insurance companies would make more money by having healthy clients. :-)
Deb A.
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Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2016 - 9:44 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Good thought, Tom ;)
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Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2016 - 7:02 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks so much Tom for sharing your information. That is very dangerous and scary, what a horrific experience. I also agree with you about the link. I'm convinced I developed Grave's Disease (thyroid problems) as a teen because of the MSG in all the processed food we ate - raised on Spaghettios, Miracle Whip, and Fruit Loops. (Gack)

It is encouraging to see the recent awakening towards eating clean, whole, unprocessed foods. Healthy people, fewer Doctor visits, fewer pills. Sounds almost radical, and wonderful.
Tom Fernstrom
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Posted on Friday, March 11, 2016 - 8:49 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Reminds me of some verbiage I posted way back in 2000: :-)

OK I give up!

People either refuse to believe that the food they consume could possibly be the cause of their medical problems or they are of the opposite belief that just about every food or food additive is poison to their system. Is there no in-between?

I mentioned it once before that I was visiting various A-Fib discussion groups and putting in my two cents about MSG/Aspartame caused A-Fib. One would think that these desperate people who are seeking relief from their A-Fib symptoms (a HEART malfunction) would jump at the chance to be informed about a possible cure that only requires abstinence. But, NO! Nobody wants to be told that the food that they love so much is actually bad for them. Instead they discuss costly and dangerous "invasive" procedures to rectify physical problems in a major way so that they may "easily" go about their daily activities without the need to monitor their food intake.

I think this is one of our biggest hurdles. If something tastes good, nobody wants to give it up!

Food is the most basic of our simple pleasures and self-indulgences. Sure there are long-term affects to overeating, etc. (and we have seen proof that MSG causes cravings and overeating), but food consumption is the most accepted immediate and "normal" method of self-gratification. You don't need a partner to enjoy food. You aren't made to feel guilty eating a meal or a snack and if you are, you do it anyway and make excuses for it. Or you abstain from something faddishly inappropriate and in doing so ingest more poisons designed to supplement the taste buds with what is lacking in your faddishly appropriate food.

Perhaps we lose sight that food is the very fiber of our physical being. We need a wide variety of foods to sustain the most basic bodily functions. Beyond that we socialize food. We even elevate it to an art form in many cases.
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Posted on Monday, March 14, 2016 - 5:51 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So well said!

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