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Kalliopi
Posted on Wednesday, March 08, 2006 - 12:53 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Dear fellow MSG sufferers,
I have had symptoms for years and found out the hard way that both MSG and Aspartame made them worse. The problem as you most probably know is to detect hidden MSG. As soon as I was feeling better, I got poisoned by an unsuspected source.
I would have done anything to be able to buy strips (like those used for evaluation of PH balance) for testing MSG presence in restaurants. As MSG and aspartame use grew, I reduced my ambitions and would have been grateful just to have a way of testing stuff at home (other than by eating it and being sick afterwards!!). I was even considering sponsoring someone to develop a MSG detecting portable chemical test. I am not a scientist by training so I couldn't do it myself. My project was scheduled for end 2006 when I had decided to take a six-months visit to a country where brains and time were cheaper. I was desperate, so as must be a lot of people at the moment.
Whilst all this was happening, normal life was going on. Every week my brother would come to visit me, and since I cannot eat in a restaurant, I cooked for him the food our mother used to cook for us. My brother is very dependent on MSG and aspartame. So I had to supply some heavily dosed chocolate at the end of the meal otherwise he would go on eating ravenously and he would be nervous.
About eight months ago, it happened that I was very late in my schedule for the day of my brother's visit and so was unable to cook a sweet dish for the end of the meal. So I prepared a plate of sweets and cakes, taking away the wrappings to give it a nice look. Less than one third of the items on the plate contained MSG, the rest were my own choice of MSG free. At home I normally only have MSG free food (so I thought!), except for my brother's chocolate kept for his visits. But some friends had dropped in the day before bearing gifts so I put those on the plate too.
My brother immediately picked an MSG laden item. I watched fascinated as his hand unerringly shot towards the MSG stuff. When he had eaten all of the MSG items, he took an MSG free one, ate it then stopped.
How can this be? I thought. How could he choose the MSG stuff, given that I had never offered him these items before (choice of my friends)? They were a very distinct minority on the plate.
The following weeks, I tried this again with appetizers and so on. I refined the procedure and offered plates with only 10% of the items containing MSG. He always chose the MSG food first.

Now, if an addict can feel the presence of the drug WITHOUT trying it first, it must mean than in thousands of supermarkets all around the world, millions of hands rise towards the MSG laden products! The mind boggles. I thought : this is hopeless, we are never going to win the MSG fight. The MSG poisoners know this, even if only empirically, and this is why they add MSG to their products. It boosts the sales even more than they know!
Well, I am a very determined person and do not take things lying down. Immediately after I thought : If an MSG addict can detect the presence of his drug in that way, why can't I? Instead of waiting for the MSG detector/test, why couldn't I detect the presence of MSG just as my brother has done? It isn't as though my body is not aware of the stuff!
During the following night I was quite agitated by what had happened and I had a very vivid dream. To cut it short I dreamt at one point that I was detecting the presence of MSG with a pendulum. I had never used one before so the following morning I looked around on the Internet to get some directions. Without much hope I tried it on the food in the house.
BINGO! It works. I don't know how, but it works. It is incredibly accurate.

How do I know it is?
- My husband is also an MSG victim and we tested everything independently and found the same results. (We now do not bother to test twice, but one of us tests ALL food, beverages, medicines, toileteries that come into the house (the one that brings stuff in does the testing). There was both aspartame and MSG hidden in stuff I was using, even fresh vegetables!!!!!!!)
- Some of the items that tested positive even though nothing on the label indicated they would (even under these fancy names) were manufactured. I conducted longer enquiries from manufacturers and got results : MSG or aspartame every time I received an answer.
- The proof is in the pudding. We are both feeling better than we have done in YEARS. We have started nicely shedding weight, and our health problems are receding and no more CFS, no more fibromyalgia etc as you can guess.

A bit unorthodox, but so what? I was ready to spend a fortune on this test project and in the end all it costs is a bit of harm to my rational preconceptions. Of course the rational part of me also thinks : it is all very scientific it just "looks" weird. There must be some scientific explanation for this.
AND the good part is, I don't have to prove all this in a court of law. Nobody can refuse me the right NOT to buy something. And there is no money at all involved in my method! In spreading the word I am not identifying a particular product so not harming directly the sales of that product.

I haven't yet graduated to pulling out my pendulum in restaurants though. Partly because I don't want to look crazy, but mainly because I think that there is no hope. ALL restaurant food is full of MSG/aspartame.
My dream was to sponsor the making of an MSG detector/test for myself and had intended to publish the result of my research on the Internet to allow fellow sufferers to lead a normal life. A kind of truth in labelling in reverse where WE could read through the label.

I did not want to inform other people of my discovery before both I and my husband had completely recovered. After ten days of ABSOLUTELY no MSG as you know, there is a marked difference. We could really embark in strategies for healing ourselves that worked, because there was no subsequent poisoning.
I must emphasize than we feel great BUT if we are obliged to eat MSG (because eating at a friend's place - a bit hard to tell them, no thanks, we don't want to eat the food you have prepared!) we start feeling the pain.

Once we have been poisoned, what can we do about it? The problem of detection being solved, and I feeling more energetic than ever and ready to pick up the fight again, this is the next frontier I was dreaming of.
Somehow I do not think it is feasable to find an antidote to MSG poisoning. At one point I was all for it, but I realize, now I have a real choice to take or not take MSG with my special Truth in Label Reading, that an antidote would most probably be worse than the poison. We do not want to tinker with the brain EVEN MORE.
Unless I find a natural way to do this, of course. I haven't given up yet.

That same industry which is spreading the poison around is feverishly looking for the antidote! Then they would only spread more MSG around and make us pay twice.
Wouldn't it be nice to blast their hopes!!! Maybe unrealistic but I am staring to believe in miracles!

I want to thank all at http://www.msgmyth.com, http://www.truthinlabeling.org and at http://www.nomsg.com (which was the site that put me on the track years ago). You have saved my life and my husband's. All the information you have provided has led me to this. Keep up the good fight and feel free to spread my method of detection around. As you must have guessed by now, I am not from the USA and I do not know how proposing my detection test to an American public would sound. At least try it for yourselves. Good luck and health to all and thanks again to all that have posted information on the subject.:-) :-) :-) :-)
P.S. : For those who have no idea of how to use a oendulum, I have answered the question at
http://curezone.com/forums/m.asp?f=460&i=22970
Jerry Story
Posted on Wednesday, March 08, 2006 - 2:09 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You gotta be kidding about the pendulum.
Roy Piwovar
Posted on Wednesday, March 08, 2006 - 2:21 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'd rather read labels.

http://www.msgmyth.com/hidename.htm
Kalliopi
Posted on Wednesday, March 08, 2006 - 3:34 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh but I read labels!
I have been reading labels for a long time, and the results were dramatic.
But still I would get poisoned and I wasn't really feeling 100% well.
I only buy stuff with a label indicating that it is OK.
Then I try with the pendulum. And surprise! surprise! I get quite a lot of YES results. So I have started eliminating these products as well.
The results are impressive! I feel normal.
It is true that there is a psychological aspect to this. After a few months of pendulum detection I feel more confident when eating something which has a clean label and has passed my test. I am more positve towards the food I eat. But I doubt this alone can explain the change I feel in my body.
I should note that before testing with a pendulum I had great diffficulties with fresh fruit/vegetable. Even when labelled organic" they often were contaminated during production with something like AuxiGro, and AFTER. In some parts of the world they spray vegetables in supermarkets with a gum that is supposed to keep them looking fresh and that contains MSG or Aspartame.
Seeing the answers to my post I suppose I must be on the wrong forum here.
I never meant my post to disturb.
I only wanted to help.
Best wishes for your health!
Roy Piwovar
Posted on Wednesday, March 08, 2006 - 7:19 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Kalliopi,

We can all learn from each other. Even those of us who don't believe in the pendulum part can relate to other things in your posts.
Kalliopi
Posted on Wednesday, March 08, 2006 - 7:48 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, there is worse to come then :
I have posted this on CureZone:
This is an extra to my earlier post about MSG Detection with a pendulum.
One of my friends is blind and has been suffering from MSG addiction too. When I told him about my discovery I was quite sad because I thought it couldn't help him. He is completely blind and cannot see which way the pendulum swings. It is terrible in a way because he cannot ask other people to keep reading labels to him in detail and he is trapped in the MSG addiction.
He came back to me a couple of weeks later. He said what I had told him made him think. He said he has tried concentrating on his hand and "pushing his strength out"(?!?) when touching items. He feels a distinct tingling when there is MSG, even in tiny amounts!
I haven't pursued the matter because I am happy with my pendulum testing.

But it makes sense. If the addict can reach for the MSG without looking at the label (as though he were blindfolded), obviously it will be even worse for the blind. There must be more blind MSG victims than non-handicapped MSG victims.
Or are there?
Do the blind know already that they can detect it with their hand?
I am not sure it works with Aspartame though.

It follows of course that nothing should stop someone with normal eyesight from "pushing his strength out" to test the products! My husband has started doing it and it works with him.
I haven't because I am learning many other things and I have no time!
I do not know if many blind people use computers. If you have a blind friend please share the information. Maybe he can help us.
I have no idea if it is politically correct to call blind people blind etc. Please forgive me if I am breaching etiquette here. I live in a completely different world and all I mean is good.
Good health to all :-) :-) :-)
Kalliopi
MEMorrisNJ
Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 3:49 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Kalliopi - Sorry, I don't know anyone who is blind but thank you for your recent posts.
Kalliopi
Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 2:59 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

DETECTION is now ESEENTIAL!!!
Gums are now being widely used to extend the shelf life of fresh produce.
http://www.multikem.com/applications.html
http://www.gumproducts.com/
http://www.researchandmarkets.com/reports/19660/
It is not clearly said that you should use them on vegetables, just on fresh produce like fish and pastries.
But they discreetly do advise to use a coating of edible film on tomatoes etc; This "edible" film is actually sprayed and mainly consists of hydrolized gum of some kind in water.

I wasn't aware of this until I was affected by vegetable I was buying at an organic shop. It WAS organic, with my pendulum I found it contained no pesticides. But the answer was positive for MSG!
I thought at first the the dreaded AuxiGro was the culprit.
I found it strange to find it in parsley and fresh herbs, as I previously thought AuxiGro was mainly used for carrots etc.
I tried to wash it off. I washed off a bit after the first wash. Then I tried a second wash. It was OK eventually, testing negative only after several washes in a big sink of water.
This could only mean that the MSG was not in something that had been used to grow the vegetables, but that it had been added LATER.
It was on lettuce and herbs. So I thought : could it be that they have been soaked in something or sprayed?
A bit worried, but life went on.

Just that same week, I had to go to Bangkok and first thing I did, I went shopping at the only place when I could find organic vegetables : The Emporium luxury Gourmet shop.
And Bingo! Whilst lingering in the supermarket looking at the beautiful food, I spoke to a lady who was filling her cart too. She said to me that she chose only organic vegetables because in Thailand they spray the vegetables with water that contains MSG! Thailand is an MSG addicted place, as you all know. Obviously they are not getting enough, poor things! I found out later when going back to my hotel that the organic vegetables were sprayed too. But I couldn't warn her as I hadn't taken her phone number.

Once at home from Bangkok, back to my computer, I did a little research and I found the above mentioned links (and others if you care to do this yourself).
Several kinds of gums are mentioned, for example in particular :

Xanthan gum
http://www.xanthan-gum.com/pages/food_grade_xanthan_gum_e.htm
Guar gum :
http://www.thewrightgroup.net/site.php?pageID=33
Arabic gum
http://www.ticgums.com/store/

All of these being hydrolyzed and a prime source of MSG.

There are no labels here! This is "organic" produce!
Surprizingly, I found more of this stuff in organic vegetables than in normal vegetables. I believe this is because this magic potion is an added cost, and it is worth using it only on more expensive products. They must take into consideration not only the cost of the gum freshener, but also he cost of the manpower for spraying it.
Well I don't take vegetables which are not organic because of pesticides, but you have to make a choice in your organic vegetables, especially if you are on a raw Food diet I should think.

After this discovery, I could remove an extra layer of MSG from my life, which is now very enjoyable, thanks.
All my best wishes for your health :-) :-) :-)
Kalliopi
Daniel Sundeen
Posted on Friday, July 07, 2006 - 2:19 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Concerning people who can pick out MSG I suspect that there is a unigue smell MSG gives off and some addicts sensitivity to that smell is greatly increased, because to the body´s demand for it. This leads to an interesting thought. If I am correct, then why not train a dog (similar to a dog smelling for drugs which humans could never smel) to sniff out foods laden with certain food poisonings I think this would work. Just think. What is a little tiny dog could guide you in this matter? It is a thought.
Lisa Marie
Posted on Friday, July 07, 2006 - 3:40 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I agree that there is an odor associated with MSG. Whenever my husband eats food which isn't mine, prepared by me, his breath has a distinctly unpleasant odor. While on vacation in Myrtle Beach last week, it was a constant source of stress for me, because our room smelled funny with this odor. I guess it is eliminated like other toxic substances, through the lungs, perspiration, etc. Any thoughts?
Anonymous
Posted on Friday, July 07, 2006 - 6:02 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Descriptions of pubs their atmosphereswmq
MEMorrisNJ
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Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 4:22 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

http://downloads.truthpublishing.com/Aspartame_Truth.pdf
This is a 14 page PDF file (you'll need Acrobat Reader to access). It is entitled: The Truth About Aspartame, MSG and Excitoxins - An interview ith Dr. R. Blaylock with Mike Adams
Deb A.
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Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 9:11 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If this is the one he did last year, it's excellent.
MEMorrisNJ
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Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 10:22 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

For those of you who haven't had chewing gum in years, I recently had an experience with Juicy Fruit gum. As my husband warned me, I was really going to h-- with myself! There were no markings saying sugar free. After one minute of chewing and bubble making, I started to feel very ill --- So much for the nostalgia that this brings to my baby boomer mind.
I read the tiny print: ASPARTAME.
What's to stop kids from having this? I thought aspartame had to be clearly labeled on a food product.
patrick
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Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 9:50 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jucy fruit: Sugar, gum base, corn syrup, dextrose, natural and artificial flavors, glycerol, softeners, aspartame, sucralose, BHT (to maintain freshness)

Phenylketonurics: contains phenylalanine
Deb A.
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Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 12:12 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I react to dextrose and corn syrup, too. I have found a gum that I have not reacted to. Of course, I don't chew it each day. It's made in Finland and contains xylitol for a sweetener, which has its pros and cons, I'm sure. It is actually made from gum base, the original latex from sapodilla trees. It contains natural flavor (peppermint or spearmint oil), gum arabic, lecithin, glycerin, beeswax, and carnubawax. It's in a "chicklets" shape, with a similar coating, and I like it for a quick breath freshener. I also like to carry peppermint oil around in my purse for that purpose. A dab on the tongue or inner cheeks does the trick. The gum is called Xylichew and I think my husband ordered it from www.needs.com. The website given on the container is www.tundratrading.com. It comes in a plastic container of 100 pieces. Sorry, but I can't remember the price. We buy two containers at a time and it lasts 6 months or more for us.

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