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Star
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Posted on Saturday, March 27, 2010 - 6:23 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

hi if the cane sugar is not organic would they list the sulfites?
Mariann
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Posted on Saturday, March 27, 2010 - 10:31 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Star I'm not sure of that, I usually do use organic as much as I can as a further guard against sulfite use. I do use Domino pure cane sugar, not organic and do just fine. I am very sensitive to free glutamic acid and to sulfites as well. Maybe some others here can offer some ideas as well. Mariann
kristy
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Posted on Sunday, March 28, 2010 - 3:44 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Star, I believe even evaporated cane juice used in organic prepared foods is dried using maltodextrin (or possibly dextrose) which is a GMO corn derivative. It will not list that on the label but it is used as a drying agent. I believe pure cane sugar is a safer option. GMO beet sugar is getting to be a popular alternative to cane sugar so you will need to look for "pure cane sugar" or "organic sugar" on the label to avoid it.

Haagen Daz ice cream and craisins both contain GMO beet sugar.
Deb A.
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Posted on Monday, March 29, 2010 - 11:44 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Kristy, why is maltodextrin used the drying process of making evaporated cane juice? Wouldn't it have to be labeled with the cane juice if it's present in the finished product? Isn't it maddening how we are being duped all the time by food producers. They certainly know how to hide offending additives.
kristy
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Posted on Tuesday, March 30, 2010 - 12:51 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

As far as I know, since the maltodextrin is not actually added to the cane juice but only used as a manufacturing tool, it does not have to be added. I believe it can even be labeled organic cane juice but I can't find an absolute answer on this issue. It is used in the drying process of a lot of liquids. I would imagine that it speeds up the evaporation process, you know "time is money".....Vitamins and digestive enzymes also use maltodextrin in the drying process. I'm not sure why it is so popular but using corn in the lab is so prevalent, I'm not sure how much they could actually do without it. They routinely use corn as a base to grow yeast and to ferment cheesemaking enzymes. They use cornstarch in the manufacturing process of all kinds of things, too. Paper plates are coated with cornstarch so that they won't stick together, the same is done for prepackaged sliced deli meats and cheeses. It is just disgusting how many things are contaminated with GMOs needlessly. It also explains why we always seem to get a reaction when we leave the house. I think about all that Purell that people are smearing all over their hands and then touching everything in the store, including the handles of the grocery cart. Honestly, I would rather deal with germs any day.
Deb A.
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Posted on Tuesday, March 30, 2010 - 8:10 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You've done a lot of research. Thanks for sharing that.
Melinda
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Posted on Friday, April 02, 2010 - 3:28 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have always been suspect of evaporated cane sugar (even organic) as being the cause of reaction in certain baked good where all other ingredients seemed safe. If they do in fact use maltodextrin then that makes perfect sense.

I have heard that Arrowroot is a good substitute for cornstarch - correct me anyone if I am wrong. I haven't tried it yet so not sure it is safe, but for anyone looking for an alternative, that may be a good sub. Why companies don't use that instead for all the things you listed Kristy, since corn is something that many are allergic to, is beyond me....but corn is cheap I guess.

As far as hand sanitizers go, I found one made by EO that is all natural using lavender essential oil to kill the germs - smells really nice too!
kristy
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Posted on Friday, April 02, 2010 - 6:53 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Arrowroot and tapioca starch are both good subs for cornstarch. Whole Foods and Trader Joe's are both selling a powdered sugar that uses tapioca starch instead of cornstarch now, I believe. Also, there are some KFP powdered sugars that don't contain corn. A lot of the corn allergic people load up on Kosher for Passover items each year. We don't eat processed foods so I didn't even bother to look for them (though I suspect there are none here).
Melinda
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Posted on Saturday, April 03, 2010 - 8:10 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I wanted to add something that came to my attention about the EO all natural hand saniter I just mentioned in my post above. It does have Ethanol in it, although it is organic. Ethanol, according to the EPA, can cause central nervous system problems in some individuals (yikes).

Sorry this is a bit off topic to this thread, but if anyone wants a purely non-toxic hand sanitizer, you can make your own with essential oils such as lavender or rosemary as well as some other EOs that purport to kill germs and bacteria.
kristy
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Posted on Monday, April 05, 2010 - 5:46 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have a problem believing there is any "organic" cornstarch, ethanol, etc. I just don't believe there is enough non-GMO corn grown in this country to produce all these "organic" derivatives. I don't worry about it too much, though, since we couldn't tolerate the organic stuff either. I just carry a bar of soap in my purse and we always have paper towels and water with us everywhere we go. Those hand sanitizers are the bane of my existence. I can't tell you how many times I have gotten a reaction from secondary exposure to that GMO corn crap. They actually wash the handles of shopping carts with it now and have "hand washing stations" in stores, people at the bank and government offices are always applying it and it has taken over schools. There is now a whole new segment of Americans that are choosing to homeschool and it is made up of children with allergies (especially corn and soy). We get reactions every time we leave the house and I am wondering if we will have to start wearing masks and gloves just to grocery shop.

I am getting wound up again, but it just seems so dangerous to me that we live in a society that is so dependent on ONE CROP. Doesn't anyone remember the potato famine? And what about good old common sense: "Don't put all your eggs in one basket." If GMO corn crops failed just one year, our economy would crumble. Most of it is because of our never ending quest for convenience. Those hand sanitizers are used in schools because kids no longer have access to wash their hands before eating. Does anyone else remember elementary school and lining up at the sink before lunch? That is what they still do in Japan, but our schools don't even include sinks in most classrooms anymore. Instead, we use corn to clean our kids' hands. It's faster and a lot easier for the teachers, but it teaches kids to rely on that corn crap instead of good hygiene.
Mariann
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Posted on Tuesday, April 06, 2010 - 3:45 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Amen Kristy, I have those similar discussions in my head whenever I read labels. I am always reading labels, so a lot goes on in my head. I even start muttering out loud sometimes in the stores, partly because I just can't help myself, at other times I am trying to alert a person near me that seems to be falling for the gobble de gook that is being laid on us. I did buy some powdered sugar with sugar and tapioca (a little nervous to try it) instead of cornstarch. It would be easier to not have to grind up the cane sugar and flour to make my own, but I must remember that we are in this pickle because we wanted things to be easier. If there was not a market for this stuff, we wouldn't see so much of it. I think I need to reel myself back in once in a while too. I don't allow hand sanitizer in my world. I just realized that when we go shopping my husband, whose coughing is a lot better since the surgery, still starts to cough some. I bet it is the darned carts with the chemical washing. Thanks for the tip once again Kristy. Mariann

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