Posted From: 188.8.131.52
|Posted on Monday, December 30, 2013 - 4:45 pm: || |
First of all, GOD BLESS all of ya for making the MSG connection!!
A little backstory on me:
Im 28 yr old male, first reaction was in 2007(Crazy itchy, rash)
Had no idea what it was... It went away,
2nd reaction: 2010, (crazy itchy, rash) ... finally did research, and found it was MSG/ more specifically Disodium inosonate/disodium guanylate... found in Dorritos, and bunch of other stuff! So I ate clean and it went away, even though I still ate "natural flavorings and had no idea about the 40 different names for msg(hydrolyzed, whey protein). I just avoided Disodium insinuate/guanylate.
So, since 2010 Ive eaten "dirty" in terms of FGA but "healthy" in terms of a balanced protein rich diet. I literally drank 2 protein shakes a day, filled with "hydrolyzed", "soy", "casein" etc... and the past month have eaten a bunch of glutinous, FGA filled, protein shake, ranch dressing diet... The kicker for me was a bar tending job I started that has a cafeteria with free food. I think one day I binge ate(trying to bulk cause I lift weights) and ate 5,000 calories. the following day I got really drunk at a bar and ate A bag of dorritos/cheetos mix!!! ...
Soooo, 2 weeks ago my insanely itchy rash/hives appeared and hasn't subsided yet. Ive been eating clean, taking Claritin everyday. If I miss a dose after 30 hours or so, my rash will reappear and an antihistamine is the only way to calm it down.
My questions: I can't remember how long it took to leave my system. Anyone know how long? I will continue to eat clean forever, but This strictness is making me anxious.
#2. What type of Hard alcohol is OK to moderately enjoy? (no FGA, or corn derived) I check their websites but dent talk about processing. Anyone know if Tanqueray Gin/ Jack Daniels/Bacardi Rum is OK? Something safe to mix with soda water and lime?? thx
#3 This is a tough question.... I am having surgery in a month to repair a broken/indented cheek bone(fell off my dirt bike).. One side of my cheek needs an implant, made of solid silicone, screwed on my facial bone.... I need to take a round of Antibiotics, before and after surgery to prevent infection. Im kinda scared cause when my hives/rash set in, my face and lips swell. Isn't that a sign of my body fighting off something?? will that be bad during recovery from an implant?? .... Please let me know of any questions or things I should think of , because as we know, doctors don't know about this at all...
Thank you so much everyone. You all are an inspiration, and reading through your threads, your some of the toughest people I know.
On a sidenote: Im an actor in LA, and am getting a little recognition and publicity for my work after 10 years. Im no where near famous, but when or if the time comes, I promise to shed light on this MSG BS, and bring attention to it. Im so frustrated right now, Its killing me. Reading all your stories(been browsing for 2 weeks) makes me feel so sad, and something has to be done.
ANyways, any one that can help answer my questions please help!! Thanks You
|Posted on Wednesday, January 01, 2014 - 3:52 pm: || |
Michael, maybe an elimination diet and a food diary will identify something you may not have suspected as contributing to the problem.
Posted From: 184.108.40.206
|Posted on Wednesday, January 01, 2014 - 9:06 pm: || |
I have been eating 5 or 6 items ONLY that are OK on the list, for 2 weeks straight( Brown rice, organic chicken, organic veggies, brown rice cakes, Organic Agave nectar, Greek yogurt[full fat version], and Full fat Daisy Sour cream. I did have salmon that said "color added" that was suspect.
If I don't taker a Zyrtec or Claritin every 30-35 hours my rash and itching/hives returns. With swollen lips and eyelids. Anyone have any idea what it is? Or how long it takes to leave my system? its been 2 weeks.
On a side note; whenever I take my Zyrtec the whole rash that covers my body+ swelling face goes away in 20-30 minutes, leaving NO trace it was ever there. also, I have never had any other symptom of MSG Poisoning(headache, tires,fibromyalgia, heart racing, etc...) .. Could I just be stressed??? Please help!
|Posted on Thursday, January 02, 2014 - 10:36 am: || |
have you looked at "cleaning up" your environment - change laundry detergent, cleaning supplies, get rid of pets (I know that wouldn't work here) etc.
was your housing recently fumigated or pesticide applied?
did you get something new (couch, table, computer, bedding etc.) anything new that could be toxic
|Posted on Thursday, January 02, 2014 - 1:51 pm: || |
It's not always the MSG. Maybe you should eliminate those things you're still eating and replace them with other things. Sometimes it's what you think must be safe that isn't. Allergies could be involved. I have gotten sick more than once from fresh salmon (farmed?) but not canned! Sara is right about checking out the possible environmental causes. I was getting rashes, but when I switched from Tide to Ivory Snow they stopped. I was breaking out in hives in the middle of every Thursday night and they went away when I substituted oil paints with acrylics in my art class. I reacted to curtains hung in a sunny window - they were apparently giving off toxic fumes. I have reacted to vitamins and artificial colors. If you're still getting reactions you're missing something. It could even be your shampoo. It may be time to see an allergist.
|Posted on Thursday, January 02, 2014 - 4:19 pm: || |
I am over 3 years into this journey - at least the phase where I was seeing MSG as a trigger and I still don't know everything I am sensitive to.
I already was cued into many environmental issues - I knew pesticides would do me in - have known that for years (I am chemically sensitive) - get bothered by many other things but food had escaped me or so I thought.
Live simple - eat simple - farmed fresh (color added) salmon is scary - actually right now any fish is scary cause of the additives in the ice they use.
Don't assume your problems are caused by JUST ONE thing.
And btw I would react to the meds you are using - they have fillers in them - last zyrtec I got I got sick from - you can find fillers in many US meds at this site (and don't assume all from one store are the same - WM sells two different generic claritans - one I react to - other has been safer but I stopped taking most OTC meds - and it is a MSG type reaction I get - pregeletinized starch - oh that is in many generic and brand name Benedryl products and it allegedly helps MSG reactions - well not for me if it has MSG in it.
look up generic name, find manufacturer, look for description or many OTC they have copy of the box label near the end of the file.
Also Brown rice cakes can be an issue - would need to know what brand etc. I like Lundberg but it no longer likes me.
The problem can be worse than your shampoo - it can be the tap water even if you don't drink it.
I moved from here on to a corn avoiding group- they will tell you organic doesn't mean corn free - all those veggies are still treated with things - maybe not the heavy duty pesticides but still washed in citric acid and sprayed with wax (content varies) etc.
As you research things be aware than contents of products do change over time. What was safe a year ago might not be now.
|Posted on Friday, January 03, 2014 - 4:52 am: || |
sara, what are they putting in the ice?
|Posted on Friday, January 03, 2014 - 11:16 am: || |
I have heard of sulfites and citric acid - not sure exactly what is used though.
I know when we have gotten frozen fish at Safeway fish counter there is something I react to.
|Posted on Friday, January 03, 2014 - 11:30 pm: || |
Hey Sara and Roy!
Thanks for your replies and suggestions!!!
Im Still the same, I break out every 30-35 hours if I don't have Zyrtec. I'm not reacting to Zyrtec badly because this started before I even took Zyrtc (2 weeks ago)
Also Sara , I know that food companies change their things intermittently but trying to figure it out every time would make you go crazy!! I think your body can tell when something you ate is BAD and you just have to adjust accordingly.
That being said, I don't think Ive changed much stuff ; laundry, soap, shampoo etc.... What I think it could be, and please offer your opinions, is that a couple days prior to first outbreak I was going to a tanning salon frequently. Like 6 or 7 times I went before I broke out in this rash. Maybe it could be that? accompanied by STRESS? and then maybe the msg or environmental allergies are aggravating it? I don't believe its just one thing, but a combination of things, I'm thinking? .... Mind you Ive never had any other MSG poisoning symptom that so many mention here. besides the usual heartburn or bloating feeling if I eat like an animal!! haha.... Thats why Im confused.
Anyhow, please let me know If any one thinks it could of been a delayed (a couple days) reaction to using the tanning beds. I may go to the doctor, but I don't have insurance and I know the dude in the walk in clinic is gonna have no idea and just prescribe benedryl....
Also, The last time I got this, 2010, I was also using tanning beds as well as consuming terrible amounts of MSG/disodium insinuate/guanylate.
Thank you again Roy and Sara for the help and making me think of new questions!!
|Posted on Friday, January 03, 2014 - 11:44 pm: || |
Just popped into my head,
They did spray fro termites in my apt building 2 months ago. I doubt its that because a month and a half has passed before I got the rash. any thoughts? also, am using a new blanket but Ive had it for 2 and a half months.... also, I came home to my parents house and have been staying here for a week and a half and I have the same results.... An itchy and burning rash, swollen hands and burning hands and feet if I don't take zyrtec every 30 hours.
Wouldn't removal of TOXIN make the rash stop, if that was the problem?? let me know anynones thoughts!! thx again
|Posted on Saturday, January 04, 2014 - 7:05 pm: || |
Some of us are sensitive to both MSG and sulfites, including me. I also get an itchy rash, in addition to other problems. It took me a while to track down the sulfite issue. I did fine with veggies from a local farmers market over the summer, including a hot pepper I tried. However, I recently got a waxed jalapeno pepper and added it to some chili I made, that was a problem. Ugh! I also avoid any shampoos, soaps etc. that have wheat or hydrolyzed anything in them.
For fresh veggies, if it's from a grocery store, I make sure it hasn't been sitting under the sprayers. And now I know to avoid anything waxed. I also do fine with frozen veggies. Hope that helps, and a food diary is a good idea, including any supplements.
|Posted on Monday, January 06, 2014 - 12:37 am: || |
I wish I could offer more advice, but since we're on the topic of soap and cleaning products, I wanted to let you guys know that I found this company I'm pretty stoked on: http://vermontsoap.com/
Check out the ingredients... they are SO clean! I have been looking for a good liquid soap for years now and I've finally found it. I use their castile soap to clean everything--and I mean everything. My face, hair, hands, body, dishes, clothing, kitchen, floor, bathroom--haha it has 101 uses.
Anonymous, I think you may be correct regarding the hypothesis that your symptoms could be a combination of things. Your food, environment, mental state--everything is connected. One bit of advice that I can give you is to find a dry sauna and start sweating as much as possible. This can be your first line of defense in your detox journey!
|Posted on Tuesday, January 07, 2014 - 1:11 am: || |
Hey Thanks everyone for the help!!!
Im glad you posted that link on soap Ada!! its awesome...
As for my current state, I believe its a combination of things. I don't believe that its just one thing. I was recently fed up with eating Organic Brown rice, chicken, some veggies, egg whites, rice cakes, and agave syrup for 17 days. I just started eating, and by eating I mean binging, on ANYTHING. Cookies, ice cream, potato salad, cake, whipped cream. I ingested carageenan, sucralose, soy lecithin, dextrose, maltodextrin, pectin, high fructose corn syrup etc.. etc... and so far Im not reacting. Although I am taking a zyrtec once a day. Also, taking Apple cider vinegar, taurine, and drinking 100oz of water a day.
I have just been avoiding disodium inoninate/ disodium guanylate. Those are the "ingredients" that give you the "ribo(flavin) rash", according to fed up.com.au. Its the australian version of msgmyth.
Also, I had been following the threads by a poster named "Mike" and recall him saying he "tested" himself by eating at a buffett, and having 5 plates, as well as eating straight MSG powder and NOT having a reaction. Does anyone know why?
If I built up too much MSG and over did it, as Im assuming by reading posts on this site. Wouldn't the smallest amount of MSG set me off??? Does this mean I'm not that sensitive? or Am I just sensitive to Disodium inosonate/guanylate? Im so confused. It just felt good to say "F*%k it" and chow down the last couple of days.
Anyways, please let me know what anyone thinks. I was going a little crazy reading Sara's posts. Its incredible to me how you can eat one thing like Brown organic rice cakes and then after a while become poisoned by them? Because they maybe sprayed the rice fields with chemicals?? It would be too hard to keep your head on right thinking that way. You have to believe, unless you have a physical ailment, that your body is in tune and strong enough to rid or tolerate any incidental pesticide it may encounter.
This also reminds me of the time I did P90x and cleaned my diet up tremendously. I would eat a pack of almonds a day for my snack. Well after year or so of always eating almonds my body built an "Intolerance" to them. Now, if I even have 3 almonds, my stomach gets inflated and it hurts like H@LL. I had an allergy test done(scratch test) and I reacted to almonds... haha. Pretty weird when just a year ago I was eating them like crazy!!... I just think your body maybe builds intolerances to things it gets too much of..??
Also, Ada Ive gone to the sauna 3 X this week. Man, it feels awesome. 20-30 minutes in their after my workout, and you feel like a new person!!!... I recommend it to everyone. Just be sure to drink plenty of water.
Good luck everyone, and thanks for the help.
|Posted on Tuesday, January 07, 2014 - 7:16 pm: || |
rice has arsenic - brown rice is also high oxalate
|Posted on Friday, January 10, 2014 - 1:48 am: || |
White rice is lower in both arsenic and oxalate than brown rice.
|Posted on Friday, January 10, 2014 - 1:50 am: || |
Regarding the sauna:
|Posted on Friday, January 10, 2014 - 3:42 pm: || |
I am well aware of that info about rice Roy
|Posted on Friday, January 10, 2014 - 10:41 pm: || |
Thanks Roy. Sweating is my favorite past time. I'm particularly fond of infrared saunas as well. Mine is from Heavenly Heat.