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James c
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Posted on Monday, August 06, 2012 - 8:49 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The way i am eating my meat/fish is to steam it for 25 mins. Is this a good way to cook to avoid free glutamte content? Ifnnot what should i do?
LisaS
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Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 9:13 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

As Deb said in another post, water can be an issue...Maybe saute in olive or coconut oil (the Spectrum high-heat kind doesn't have coconut flavor).
ali
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Posted on Thursday, August 09, 2012 - 10:33 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Lisa, could you perhaps let me know the specific name of the high heat spectrum oil please. I cant stand the taste of coconut but realise its perhaps the healthier fat for sauteing and frying. Cheers
LisaS
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Posted on Sunday, August 12, 2012 - 7:57 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I've used two that I like. One is Spectrum brand, refined instead of virgin: http://www.vitacost.com/spectrum-refined-organic-coconut-oil

The other non-flavored(which I buy a few quarts at a time when they run a BOGO sale, so that I can put it in my deep fryer) is Tropical Traditions Expeller Pressed. http://www.tropicaltraditions.com/expeller-pressed_coconut_oil.htm I don't always buy it organic if I buy from Tropical Traditions because I trust them more than the average brand.
ali
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Posted on Saturday, August 18, 2012 - 10:18 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks Lisa :-)
ali
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Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2012 - 3:53 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

i cant find a european supplier for Tropical Traditions. So i bit the bullet and bought some refined coconut oil here. It was pleasant to cook with but i had a BAD reaction to it. It is possibly the worst reaction ive ever had. My eyesight went to tunnel vision for over an hour. This is normally over in twenty minutes when i eat over cooked non organic tomatoes. Ive contacted the company to see just how they "refined" the oil. On a brighter note i may be one step closer to finding out what exactly causes my vision disturbances. My doctor says they are migraines.Im not sure anymore that this particular reaction is from msg. Anyone else experience vision disturbances?
Roy Piwovar
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Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2012 - 4:18 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I've blacked out from MSG, but otherwise my visual disturbances are from occasional migraine auras. They do not happen in conjunction with MSG consumption or involve tunnel vision. The overall width of the vision field is not affected, but parts are blocked by opaque moving geometric primary color patterns that remain even with my eyes closed.

http://www.migraine-aura.org/content/e27891/index_en.html
ali
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Posted on Sunday, August 26, 2012 - 1:06 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks Roy. I too have moving patterns but in black and white. Initially the affect my peripheral vision but then proceed to become denser than my peripheral vision leading to a "tunnel" vision. Ill take a look at your link. Thanks again :-)
ali
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Posted on Sunday, August 26, 2012 - 1:25 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Okay, now i can actually show my family what it is im experiencing. It is exactly the first one but in black and white (my husband just suggested i should get an upgrade hahaha!) Its always been so frustrating to not be able to properly explain what was happening. My doctor said it was a migraine but im fortunate that i dont get the headache too often.
I do know that if my diet is clean i dont experience this phenomenon. Ive never been entirely convinced it was an msg reaction as i can have an msg reaction without this happening. I do know that tomatoes can cause it though i have no issue if they are organic. It first happened when i was working in a greenhouse. In retrospect i now think it was connected to what was being sprayed on the plants. Im guessing the tomatoes are sprayed with the same thing...I need to do some more research to get to the bottom of it.
Roy Piwovar
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Posted on Sunday, August 26, 2012 - 1:28 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ali, mine are never in black and white. They start in the middle, blocking my central vision, and then move outward, expanding until a hole opens up in the center through which I can see. The latter sounds like your tunnel vision. The linked video begins without the central vision blocked, but is otherwise the closest approximation I've found to what I see, and twice it has happened to me while driving (I pull the car over).
ali
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Posted on Sunday, August 26, 2012 - 8:41 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That would be scary while driving. Do you know what triggers your episodes? Do you think they are food related or something else. Just curious as im sure my latest one was from the refined oil.
Roy Piwovar
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Posted on Sunday, August 26, 2012 - 12:57 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It's especially scary until a hole in the pattern opens up for me in the middle. I suspect that the episodes are a delayed reaction to what I have eaten earlier, but they do not feel like an MSG reaction.
LisaS
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Posted on Wednesday, August 29, 2012 - 5:21 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh my, Ali, I'm so sorry -- how scary. From coconut oil, ack!

I get both headaches and occasionally ocular/aural migraines from MSG and Splenda. I never get the headache until 30 minutes after the aura. The rest of my MSG reactions are the headache but without the visual effects. My son's reaction is mood related and doesn't get headaches at all. A good friend of mine goes completely blind, near-complete or complete loss of vision, from trace amounts of MSG. Jack Samuels told me before he passed that he lost consciousness entirely and would wake somewhere he didn't quite remember getting to.

I get the same feelings of pain from sulfites and am being to think they are also excitotoxic, but I've never had an ocular migraine from them.

I get the aura first, but mine is not centralized. I get B&W blob-shaped disturbances, like oil has been stirred into my vision, and they slowly move and get bigger. Then usually one side of my vision starts to go black from the edges, and then the other side, but I can't remember them both being "closed in" completely at once. The worst I've seen is about a 45 degree reduction (from 180) in each side, as if I have blinders on (but then the rest of my vision has what for me look like huge "floaters" all over it, so I can't really see much.

I've had three that I've documented, because before that I never associated the visual effects with the later pain though I remember having it quite a few times; I thought it was eye fatigue. Then one day I had chili, ranch dressing, and two huge glasses of diet coke. About 40 minutes later I pretty much couldn't see -- certainly not enough to drive -- both tunnel vision and distortion.

About a year and a half later, I had a similar reaction to a small amount of Splenda that had sat in my fridge (Splenda-sweetened Chai), plus I had a virus, and overdid on exercise. That is the instance that triggered me from "occasional reactivity to MSG" to "very sensitive to free glutamic acid" - after that I could eat not even tiny amounts of the top 5-10 sources of FGA without the pain part of the migraine, the next day.

I've had one ocular migraine since then -- the other day I ate ham that didn't have a label. I have no idea what I was thinking. I was so careful with everything else. As soon as I noticed the visual disturbances I took two Advil, magnesium, B complex, and a couple other things. I still got the pain but it was muted a bit, I think.

Here's an interesting connection -- my ocular migraines have always occurred within an hour or so of the offending food. My non-ocular migraines are always the next day even if the food was in the morning.
ali
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Posted on Tuesday, September 04, 2012 - 12:23 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Lisa, my ocular migraines have been so infrequent the last few years that it caught me completely by surprise. I had one after the other and couldn't figure what it was. The coconut oil had to be the culprit because everything else i ate those days was a whole food eaten many times before. Interestingly i thought that my ocular migraines were caused by non organic tomatoes. But im rethinking that now. I am wondering if there is something in the lining or tins of non organic tomatoes and tomato paste rather than it being the tomato itself. I have come to this conclusion after having a reaction to food cooked by a friend. She was adamant the tomatoes were organic. Everything was from scratch. But she had used a tube of minced garlic!! One ocular migraine for me!
The oil i used turned out to be a refined coconut oil. I suspect a solvent of some sort was used to refine. That has been suggested by a friend that has a health shop and doesnt stock refined coconut oils for the reason. Im still awaiting a reply from the manufacturer.I understand tropical traditions do a refined oil that is refined by centrifugal force. Sadly it isnt stocked here in Europe and the post is astronomical. I cant find a european oil that is produced this way.
So i bit the bullet and bought an organic cold pressed extra virgin coconut oil. I cooked a stirfry with it and had no reaction at all. :-) But i really dont like the taste :-( Im now using it as a hair conditioner, lip salve, eye lid moisturiser. Its worked wonders on the remaining patches of eczema on my little one. Ive even been eating a spoon full before the gym and have found it to be a great energy booster. But i have to gulp it down quickly followed by a strong tasting something or other. I dont mind the oily texture its just the taste.
So i will continue my hunt for an oil along the lines of the tropical traditions one. Im gutted i reacted to the refined one, as it was wonderful to cook with.
LisaS
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Posted on Tuesday, September 04, 2012 - 1:08 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

My son doesn't like the taste. I can hide it in pancake batter quite well. My favorite way to eat it though is mixed with a strong wildflower honey and spread on things. But then, I like the flavor.

The tomato paste thing is interesting...a friend of mine reacts to tomato paste but not sauce that isn't made with paste. She says it's the hydrolysis of the tomatoes when cooked into paste. Have you reacted to whole tomatoes in tins? Often sauces will use reconstituted paste, so my friend says.

You might try different brands of cold-pressed coconut oil unless you hate coconut flavor of any kind. I had one that tasted awful. It wasn't bad/rancid, it just was odd. I tried putting it into pancakes and it still was awful.
AdaLovelace
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Posted on Tuesday, September 04, 2012 - 8:36 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I also have a friend that is sensitive to MSG and she does not eat anything with tomato paste in it. Tomatoes in other forms are fine for her. It sounds like tomato paste is more processed somehow. ;)
ali
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Posted on Saturday, September 08, 2012 - 3:02 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

lisa i just plain dont like coconut taste. I have tried to get my head around it in my cooking but i just cant. But as i said i eat it before work outs and its making a great bodylotion, hair conditioner etc etc. Ill be buying more just to use externally.

Ada has your friend tried organic tomato paste. I react to conventional but not organic.
AdaLovelace
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Posted on Monday, September 10, 2012 - 7:28 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh I'll mention that to her! Thanks Ali. :-)

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