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ali
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Posted on Thursday, May 03, 2012 - 4:19 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi, I've woken up this morning with a seriously stiff neck and shoulders, headache beginning at shoulders and radiating up through the back of my head. I used to wake up feeling like this a LOT! I'd forgotten how horrible a reaction it was. Last night I ate cod fish. It was from a bag of frozen fish that I believed to be just that. The label was very deceptive.( I dont usually buy frozen fish) It said "Contains Fish" which I took to be the ingredients list. After giving it a good look over this morning prior to throwing the remainders of the bag in the garbage, I found another ingredients list in much smaller type (go figure!! grrrr) and it read "fish 95% ,protective ice glace" Ive never come across this before on an ingredients list. Is it likely a sufite or msg that I'm reacting to? Just wondered if anyone else has come across this ingredient on fish.
I will of course mail the manufacturer and ask them when I'm feeling better.
Thanks for any help
LisaS
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Posted on Thursday, May 03, 2012 - 7:42 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh, man, Ali. So sorry, that really sucks.

From a google search the ice glaze is supposed to only be water. http://www.seafish.org/media/Publications/FS2-05_08-Glazing.pdf I couldn't find any indication of other ingredients.
ali
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Posted on Thursday, May 03, 2012 - 7:50 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thats all i could find too....but my neck and shoulders and migraine tell a different story....The fish is the only thing i had yesterday that i hadnt had before......baffling. Thanks for looking it up Lisa :-)
ali
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Posted on Thursday, May 03, 2012 - 7:55 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

http://www.msgmyth.com/discus/messages/1557/1557.html#POST100028
ali
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Posted on Thursday, May 03, 2012 - 9:24 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Lisa that last post posted in the wrong place. Its for a feed that mentions the clay you were asking about. We appear to have Gremlins at work...:-)
sara
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Posted on Thursday, May 03, 2012 - 9:47 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The people on the "avoiding corn" forum say that the ice they use in US may contain citric acid. It is not necessarily labeled on the final fish product.
ali
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Posted on Friday, May 04, 2012 - 4:14 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks Sara...apparently so long as the water is fit for human consumption they can label as just water.....citric acid would make sense...i dont tolerate that too well at all.
bo'nana
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Posted on Monday, May 07, 2012 - 4:28 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ali, here in the states it is very popular to label meats and especially seafoods as "flash-frozen" becoz that sounds oh so healthy and fresh...
near as ive been able to learn, all that really means is the food was first dipped in a "solution containing up to {fill in the blank} amount of broth and citric acid" ...and they typically dont specify what is in the so-called "broth". but from reactions i sometimes have, theres SOMEthIGN besides the citrate coz i actually usually do ok with citric acid if thats the only iffy ingredient
im sure its got to be additional flavour enhancers or preservatives of some sort
plus since the meat is dipped before freezing & weighed after, you know it benefits the mfrs much more than the consumer to have it done this clever way :P
evelyn
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Posted on Monday, May 07, 2012 - 6:16 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm betting it's "broth" - most brands of tuna "in water" are actually in broth, if you read the ingredients...
ali
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Posted on Monday, May 07, 2012 - 10:12 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Whatever it was, it was a bad reaction i had to it. All i can find here is that its potable water. So, so long as the water is considered fit for human consumption, it can have anything in it deemed safe from the powers that be.
Thanks for the input Bo'nana and Evelyn :-)
Roy Piwovar
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Posted on Tuesday, May 08, 2012 - 1:35 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The "flash frozen" process can water down the product much more than expected for the sake of profits. Another chemical that may be added is sodium tripolyphosphate.

http://www.greenprophet.com/2010/05/frozen-fish-in-israel/

Labeling of sodium tripolyphosphate is not always required:

http://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/factsheet/whats-on-your-fish/
Roy Piwovar
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Posted on Tuesday, May 08, 2012 - 1:44 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

bo'nana, as a suspected neurotoxin, the presence of sodium tripolyphosphate could be behind your reactions. I would ask the manufacturer.
ali
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Posted on Tuesday, May 08, 2012 - 6:11 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks Roy
bo'nana
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Posted on Friday, May 11, 2012 - 9:52 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

roy-- youve done it again :-)
i think youve uncovered the "mystery ingredient". i so hate having to play at the greenlabeling game!
yes i AM rather sensitive to phosphates in any form and TriPhosphate in particular. its what used to give me such a queasy tum after eating canned tuna, but not the fresh fish. thankfully ive been able to locate a brand or two of "tongol" tuna that really is canned in JUST water, its been safe... so far
thank you so much!
Roy Piwovar
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Posted on Friday, May 11, 2012 - 5:33 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You're welcome, ali. Sorry I had mixed up the names in my response.
ali
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Posted on Saturday, May 12, 2012 - 11:12 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

no problem Roy.
SistineKid
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Posted on Wednesday, July 17, 2013 - 1:56 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

All,
I cooked and ate shrimp Saturday night and had a reaction. I think that it was the Sodium Tripolyphosphate (STPP). http://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/blogs/what-is-sodium-tripolyphosphate-doing-in-your-fish/

There was definitely a white slimy froth on the surface of the cooking water afterward. I can't remember if it was on the label or not, but I've read that it's not always required to be listed. I have another brand that lists only shrimp and salt. I'll pay close attention to the water when it's done.

I didn't even think to consider STPP until after having a reaction and searching for shrimp and glutamate (it was the only thing different recently in my diet). I found the following "Be aware that some shrimp and other shell fish may have been dipped in Trisodium phosphate (TSP), a product that can cause reactions similar to MSG reactions in MSG sensitive people. (Farm raised shrimp are usually all right)."
http://naturalhealthtechniques.com/diet_nutritionmsg_sources.htm

My reaction came as the classical migraine...I felt washed out/exhausted with word reading difficulty at the 24 hour point...and an active headache at the 48 hour point. It will probably be another 2 or 3 days before I start to feel well again. This chart describes it quite nicely: http://www.migraine.ie/index.php?id=54

Exposure puts me into the prodome for about 48 hours. The aura-headache-resolution is another 24-48 hours. And the recovery is usually another 48 hours. It's a 5-7 day odyssey from when I'm poisoned. This was the first poisoning I've had in a few months--it's very frustrating and reminds me that I still need to be careful. The potentially unlabled ingredients aspect is maddening. And GRAS? For whom? Based on what? I can tell if I've been exposed based on a lesser set of symptoms. That awareness is helpful.

Side question...is it worth reporting to the FDA (or whomever) that I ate such and such and it made me sick?

Thought I'd share in case it's helpful to someone else.
SK

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