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Posted on Friday, December 10, 2010 - 7:32 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have been self-treating for hypothyroid/hypoglycemic episodes....because I think the supplements my ND have me on have a form of MSG. So....

I take molasses/not blackstrapp but planning on picking up blackstrap...I do not seem to react to the molasses. However, if I have cane sugar I wake up with sore joints and increased sinus blockage. Any particular reason for this? Along with producing more hypoglycemic reactions...???
Why is this? and do I need to be concerned about a diabetic type problem with the molasses although it doesn't apparently cause me any problems right now...I'm trying to prevent anymore problems in the future...Thanks and sorry for the rambling.
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Posted on Friday, December 10, 2010 - 4:30 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Duchess, Please read this article:
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Posted on Saturday, December 11, 2010 - 6:44 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Kristy,

Thank you for the article. I have been tested for food intolerances. Never tested for specific food allergies. According to my ND, I am potato, seafood (any living thing in water, both salt and freshwater), and fruit/sugar intolerance within eight hours of each other. I have just finished a Wilson's thyroid protocol, did two rounds. I have been reading and reading and reading. It seems to be a vicious cycle. The one thing I did not see the people on the adrenal/thyroid boards doing is talking about avoiding MSG other than that they are supplementing and splitting doses. I was taking upwards at one sitting 15 different things to supplement my diet. I read at earthclinic where some people have cured their hypothyroidism with virgin coconut oil. I currently dropped all supplement except for obtaining some B12 in the correct form...I have started supplementing what earthclinic recommended and have been feeling better like I am gaining ground. However, I feel like a ping pong ball. I keep going back and forth between hypoglycemic to hypothyroid type symptoms. Maybe it is just rebounds to toxins being released. I didn't think about that until Annie mentioned it in her post. I am logging and taking temps, making notes on what I eat, and taking blood sugars. I was, just as all of us do at various points, looking for a quick fix. I'll keep plugging along. I just was worried about the molasses and a sugar load. Still kind of wondering about it....:-)
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Posted on Saturday, December 11, 2010 - 5:01 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

just as a side, duchess- i noticed you mentioned & i wanted to put in a rave for those guys- good advice from Ted & the others at that board have helped me with several different chronic/"incurable" skin disorders!
*Finger Warts (cured 2 that were previously treatment resistant & growing)
*Demodectic PapuloPustular Rosacea (under control & currently minimal)
*Sebhorreic Dermatitis on scalp (cured)
*PeriOral Dermatitis (currently treating & feeling better :-)

i cant praise those guys enough, when it comes to natural remedies for skin issues, they know their stuff!! and i would bet, equally knowledgable in a lot of other areas as well
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Posted on Saturday, December 11, 2010 - 8:02 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I agree, bo'nana, they have helped me quite a bit.
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Posted on Sunday, December 12, 2010 - 6:28 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does anyone have any "Natural" cures for acid reflux? I have cut out caffiene and have raised the head of my bed, but could use any suggestions you may have. Thanks.
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Posted on Sunday, December 12, 2010 - 9:08 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

hi kaye...
i dont know if this will help, but my reflux disappeared when i banished all foods/drinks containing the evil demon Carageenan...

you would be surprised how common that additive is now, even in supposed 'healthy' food items... seems it lines the gut with a slick gel coating and pretty much prevents digestion- food was coming back up tasting pretty much the same as when it went down (i know, yuk!)

i discovered i was getting a LOT of it in my diet, thru non-dairy beverages (almost all of them are loaded with it), aerosol cream and flavored coffees (all those fun fancy things), deli meats (especially Boars Head) and prepared roasted chickens (that shiny sticky glaze coating) and most bakery case items (even so-called organic)- the food producers love the thick, shiny, glaze that looks 'fresh from the oven' even tho the food is going to be on the shelf... for hours... and it does the same thing to a persons gut.

apparantly, i am very VERY sensitive to the stuff, and i was unknowingly poisoning meself with it (in my quest to be 'healthy' heh)... dont know if this is the case with you, but thought it worth considering

it also masquerades as 'agar', and 'seaweed extract'. especially in the healthy foody stores and theres ESPECIALLY a lot of it by any name in nondairy 'milk/creams', 'cheeses' and frozen 'icecream' treats

obtw, this also wont be helpful if your reflux is really from TOO MUCH acid allready, but my HcL levels seem very low so i take a spoonful of a Herbal Bitters (or Liver Herbs) tincture anytime i seem to be struggling to digest a meal now, and it really helps with the "bubble bubble feeling" as my son calls it :-)
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Posted on Sunday, December 12, 2010 - 9:04 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Kaye, Like Bo'nana found out it can be caused by any food additive that you are especially sensitive to....Keep a food journal and see if you can narrow down common ingredients for every episode. I know someone that was suffering with reflux until they took wheat out of their diet. She didn't have celiac disease, but had an intolerance to wheat.

I would bet there is something in your diet that is causing it and you should be able to track it down. If you can't find any common additives, but it appears to happen every time you eat, you could be having trouble with corn. My mom doesn't have reflux when she follows the corn-free diet that I helped her work out, but if she slips the reflux comes back within days. Since most additives are made from corn and they are commonly used in processing and packaging without being labeled, corn is probably the culprit if you are eating mostly whole foods with some "processed" produce and meats. I had a long list of seemingly unrelated foods that I couldn't eat - imagine my surprise when I found that the common link was corn.....bell peppers, coffee, heavy cream, baby carrots, blueberries, russett potatoes, yogurt, eggs, mozarella cheese, fresh pineapple, apples, bananas, ham, bacon, pickles, alcohol......and the list goes on...Now I can enjoy all those foods as long as I take care to buy completely corn-free versions.

It's also possible that you are suffering because you have low stomach acid production. I believe there is a test that can be done to find out if you are producing enough stomach acid to digest your food properly. If you aren't, digestive enzymes can work miracles....Good luck.
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Posted on Monday, December 13, 2010 - 6:22 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Raw apple cidar vinegar with 'the mother' can help with acid reflux...this was mentioned on earthclinic. I find out that ACV has magnesium. Also, I have been tracking the gluten issue in all of this. There are some of us lucky people who have a genetic predisposition to this particular problem including hypothyroidism. I am really trying to avoid MSG in any way, shape or form, I am 'medicating' with whole foods as Deb A. recommends, and I journal and log everything. I took my blood sugar readings during one of these 'episodes' of passing out after eating food or two hours after eating and the blood sugars are on to the next thing...I'm thinking its my adrenals. Narrowing the issue down further and feeling better every day.... not gonna give up til I get my health back.
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Posted on Monday, December 13, 2010 - 1:06 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

When you say "passing out" do you mean a narcoleptic episode? I'm afraid that is one of my symptoms of corn allergy. My doctor was concerned about my blood sugar but after testing decided that my narcolepsy was due to something else (I could have told him's corn). If I eat something that has a corn derivative hidden in it, I will feel so groggy that I can't drive. I will fall asleep sitting up no matter what I do to try to avoid it. If I am driving, I can pull over and give into it for about 15 or 20 minutes and then finish driving. Unfortunately, it is only the beginning of a host of reactions that will follow so I dread that "narcolepsy" for what it represents as much as the misery of not being in control of my body.

Sometimes this episode is preceded by red, hot cheeks and the feeling that I have something in my eyes. Many times it will be followed perversely by insomnia, restless legs, joint pain, itching, swollen hands and feet. It is always accompanied by crushing fatigue (even worse than normal).

I have "met" very few corn allergic people who actually tested allergic to corn, but they cannot tolerate corn in any form nonetheless. Even an allergist will tell you that the test is only to find out what you need to challenge, it is no more than 70% accurate. Challenge is the real allergy test. BTW, I would say that at least a third of the corn allergic that I know react to cane sugar or rice or wheat or all three in addition to corn. Actually, wheat is more like 2/3. They are all related to corn or have severe cross-contamination issues with corn (grains=silos=grain processors - just think of Bob's Red Mill and all the grains they sell).....With a corn allergy being so unusual and hard to pin down paired with the hidden corn in so many foods......I finally learned that if I don't react to something, I leave it in my diet. If I react to it in any way I remove it. That's the only thing that has allowed me this year of sanity and hope after years of misery. I say if you are not having problems from that molasses then keep it in your diet and stick with that brand.

It sounds as if you are doing the same thing I am doing in your quest for health. I really believe we will figure this out and regain our health, but it is a rocky path.
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Posted on Monday, December 13, 2010 - 2:11 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You described it perfectly, Kristy. I was worried about blood sugars, but the testing this weekend showed that the blood sugars stayed stable although I was having these 'episodes'. I am still having them, some days are really bad, other days I can stay awake but just feel kind of numb and tingling. The flushing red cheeks I get while eating and they may come before the sleepy fit. I usually get an arthritic-type reaction. Based on some of my symptoms, I am looking at adrenal fatigue or insufficiency. I believe the MSG was bringing on the issues. I just didn't know if it was hypothyroidism or hypoglycemia. Sooo, the symptoms fit better with adrenal, but I'm still looking at hypothyroid. Hoping that it will get better off the MSG. Earthclinic had an excellent article posted about fluoride poisoning linked to hypoparathyroid issues. And it would seem that all of this intertwines between the MSG and other toxins.
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Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2010 - 9:52 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks, Kristy, Bo'nana and Duchess for the help with the acid reflux problem. That definately gives me some ideas of what to watch for. I'll start with corn and carrageenan, and definately try the apple cider vinegar. Pretty sure I have some Bragg's in the cupboard. Kristy, I especially appreciated the list of foods to watch out for. I am eating a lot of vegetables these days so that was helpful. I have lost 30 pounds since August and wonder if that may have triggered it. I had thought losing weight would help that particular problem.
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Posted on Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 8:39 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Duchess, try an epsom salt bath (read label to make sure there are no other ingredients). It really helps with all this...probably the same reason the tri-salts help (magnesium).

I'm sure that I am deficient in B vitamins and vitamin D. I am looking for a safe vitamin C right now and am taking fermented cod liver oil for D and just ordered a supposedly safe B complex. I also take probiotics and eat fermented veggies and drink raw dairy kefir for beneficial bacteria. Hopefully, all of this will start to help. I believe my problems stem from deficiencies and the inability to detox....

Kaye, I know the prewashed produce really flared up the reflux for my mom. If you are eating a lot of veggies, you need to watch out for citric acid washes (not labeled) and probably vinegar issues....I know that I can eat Bragg's organic ACV just fine, but Heinz ACV has some corn in it (again not labeled). Congratulations on the weight loss, you're obviously doing something right!
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Posted on Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 10:23 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

kristy, i'd LOVE to know if you do find a safe vitC... i suspect i need more than i can easily get in my diet, becoz of chronic inflammation & collagen issues... but i have never found a vitC supplement i dont react to- even the latest i mentioned on a recent post turned out to be a no-no :-(

my son & i were taking Thorne's CalMag Citrate powder and really i did feel much better in a lot of ways... a lot of the pain & fatigue was fading away, & my brain felt sharper...
but it wasnt more than 2-3 weeks before my son began reacting with his usual increase in wierd thinking and oppositionality- its like he went around looking for a fight- and sure enough i began to notice my own emotions increasing.
so when the tub ran out, we didnt replace it- and again, sure enough, heightened emotions have subsided...

but ever since, we've been eating so much salad we are feeling like rabbits, and swimming in OJ, but still i'm allready feeling the positive benefits of the high potency powder beginng to fade... sigh... i think i have an idea how Algernon might have felt :P

at least my son seems to be holding his own for now!
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Posted on Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 12:08 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, I'm gonna share what I've been doing with some success....

extra virgin coconut oil, 1 tbsp. sometimes 2 tbsp. a day (hypothyroid)should be 3 tbsp. a day, I'm working on it....:-)
apple cidar vinegar, 1 tbsp. (minerals, etc.)
1/2 lemon juice squeezed into glass of water with 1/4 - 1/2 tsp. sea salt was recommended, I needed less salt (Vitamin C, 84 minerals, electrolyte drink)
1 tsp. Molasses (should be 1 tbsp, but I have to watch my sugars so this is where I'm at...) to support hypothyroid issues, high in minerals and iron...
B-12 sublingual methylcyano-type B-12,
Soloray calcium, magnesium, zinc emptied out of the capsule.
Thorne Vitamin D -5000, (still not sure about testing phase)
Thorne Trace minerals (not sure and prefering to take the food sources over the supplement at this time)
NutraBio taurine (one scoop, just started, but did good with taurine from hoping here. )

diet - eating foods to support adrenal fatigue and hypothyroidism issues...while strictly avoiding MSG.

Okay, hope this helps....

It is making a difference for me but there are still good days and bad days...which I'm still pretty new at this and still in the learning curve as far as whether slow cooking or soup/stews bother us...
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Posted on Friday, December 17, 2010 - 5:35 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Duchess, Thanks for sharing what you are trying. I think I will add some of those same things to my protocol since I had deduced I am having adrenal issues as well. I still haven't received my vitamin B complex that I've ordered so impatiently waiting for that. Also, just ran out of the six strain blend from so I need to reorder that. What foods are you eating? I haven't had caffeine in over two years so avoiding it isn't a problem for it for you? I know people can get so addicted to coffee....I'm also doing fermented cod liver oil and high vitamin butter oil from Dr. Ron....He has an adrenal and thyroid supplement that I would like to try but it's an expensive gamble if it turns out to contain traces of corn derivatives......
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Posted on Saturday, December 18, 2010 - 8:00 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Dutchess-I am severly hypoglycemic( ate aspartamate for YEARS cause they told me not to touch sugar then got so toxic to msg and all its relatives)and hyperthyroid. Together they can make you feel really yucky-forgetful etc etc. On drugs for thyroid prophylthiouracil-a bad one but it is old school drug i do not react to-dosage has gone from 6 a day to 1/2 every other day-swear it is because of the help from the website and how i eat :-)
I eat 6Xs a day and graze inbetween to keep sugar stable
live on peanut butter/nuts peanut butter also helps the headaches go away
beans (canned ones I flush and soak)
dried ones I rinse/soak/rinse and simmer as soon as it boils ...some research says rice helps break down proteins-I am brand sensitive to rice
sweet potatoes (great source of chromium) cook whole put in fridge cut in pieces to snack (do not eat skin only cause i do not trust it)
hard boiled eggs
cheeses -only ones made with rennet (Denmark)
keep frozen organic blueberries for a treat when I am craving sugar-or walkers cookies 3gr sugar

no dole brands/things that are waxes or gassed
if you crave a potato -red organic seems the best for blood sugar msg reactions

I am lucky I live in florida eat lots of veggies
and use organic olive oil for everything

if i am not sure what is in it i do not eat it hate being sick
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Posted on Saturday, December 18, 2010 - 9:23 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Kristy and Debbey,

My hubby came up with a delicious banana shake for me to mix the coconut oil and all kind of tastes like egg blessed am I :-)

potatoes, seafood, and a fruit sugar combo of I can have either one or the other not both together within eight where I started with all of this. Then I noted that everything I was eating was more or less gluten free or I did better with gluten free. I don't touch aspartame or any 'fake' sweetener and after a blackout episode with Splenda and whatever else is in an Atkins bar...I totally got away from frankenfoods. I tend to eat whole, made from scratch type foods. I haven't got rid of my caffiene yet, but I have reduced it.

Right now, since I am still trying to heal my body, I am avoiding or mostly try to avoid my food intolerances listed above. The interesting thing I found was that potatoes are high in sulfites. What led me to this board was I was looking for a 'cure' for my shooty, jabby back pains...I found out through fat belly cure program that sugar causes me pain, bad pain. So I liimt my sugar to honey, maple syrup and have just incorporated the blackstrapp molasses into my diet. I limited this to very little...Right now, I am avoiding grains as the adrenal/thyroid people say this is an issues, goes along with the gluten thing...I noticed the thyroid board people were supplementing and dosing and splitting dosages but not necessarily avoiding MSG...Here I noticed people supplementing but having problems because of contaminates. I really believe God knew what he was doing when he created food. It's man that has messed it up. So, I try to eat food as unprocessed as possible, not necessarily raw, just not messed with as much as buying premade food. I made a big step this year and am feeling overwhelmed. My hubby wanted me to pick up stocking stuffers...I read bag after bag of crap and decided this year, we'll make our own. Now I have how many days to get this figured out...:0 Hoo Boy! I have been feeling great the last couple of days. Despite my long rambling post, I am kind of short for time this morning so I'll try to come back and share the banana shake and what we are putting into the shake. We do supplement but trying to find those whole sources of supplements and vitamins is very challenging. My supplements alone for the food intolerances were over 200.00 a month. has some really good information on healing the adrenals and dealing with thyroid issues. Also has been a source of interesting reading; just not enough time to do it all.
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Posted on Saturday, December 18, 2010 - 8:35 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

duchess... "I really believe God knew what he was doing when he created food. It's man that has messed it up."

--i second that!!--

glad to hear youve also discovered EarthClinic & CureZone, ive been on both of those sites increasingly in the last few months (tho not posting at either...yet...)
EarthClinic has supplied me with lots of great help in dealing with my chronic skin issues, and ive started a herbal cleansing protocol similar to what a lot of the liver/parasite folks are using over at CureZone.... its been 3-1/2 weeks and after the first 3 weeks of feeling pretty much like death a lot of the time, now the past few days i seem to have more energy in spite of everything else going on, so am feeling cautiously hopeful this may be the start to a more lasting kind of health instead of the constant ups & downs...
ive noticed too, less need for caffeine and almost a revulsion toward starchy sugars, suddenly im not forcing meself to stay away- becoz suddenly i just dont want any! it would seem to be a good indicator that perhaps there has been more going on than meets the eye, so to speak... ;}

its great to hear youve had some genuinely great days too- what a long way youve come in just a few months!
hooray- onwards & upwards!!
Deb A.
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Posted on Sunday, December 19, 2010 - 9:47 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Eggnog flavored smoothies. I make this a lot. Just cut up an apple...peel if not organic and add to blender with favorite liquid...whole milk, rice milk, almond milk....then add nutmeg, vanilla, and pinch of cinnamon and salt to taste. Sweeten with stevia, agave, or cane sugar. You can use half a banana if you like, instead. My daughter added some rum flavoring. Add a few ice cubes before blending.
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Posted on Sunday, December 19, 2010 - 10:02 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

An apple, I'll have to try that some time.. :-) Thank you, Deb A. I'll be trying your chocolate creme egg recipes soon.

The banana/coconut oil/molasses gives it that certain thickness like eggnog.

Duke's Banana/Coconut oil milkshake

1 cup milk (we use whole milk)
1 banana (sliced)
1 scoop taurine
1 primrose oil capsule (emptied from capsule)
1 TBSP Blackstrap Molasses (make sure its a good grade and not sulphured)
1 Vit. D (emptied from capsule)
2 TBSP Unrefined coconut oil (unsulphred, we're using nutriva ?)
a smidgeon of Vanilla extract (pure vanilla)

Blend milk, banana, vitamins and molasses until smooth and thick, add melted coconut oil while blending. I try to only heat up the coconut oil just til it liquifies. I don't know if heat could break down the healing properties which is what I am after....and I drink it fairly fast but it doesn't seem to break down too fast, but I imagine the oils would separate if you let it sit too long.

Okay, hope this helps
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Love the recipes. I'm going to try them with my kefir. I have a suggestion about the vanilla, Duchess and Deb. Try using ground vanilla beans instead of vanilla extract to avoid the GMO corn alcohol in extracts. I buy Arizona vanilla pure ground beans from their website or Amazon. A little goes a long way.
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Herbal / H2 Receptor Question

In the past, I attempted to block msg from entering the brain barrier…..with little success.
I pass out 3 hrs after consuming msg & will sleep it off for the next 3 hrs.

Aside from msg avoidance, I made a new discovery:
H2 Antagonists:

Tagamet (Cimetidine) 200 mg (I take 1/16th of a 200 mg pill) taken with an msg meal allows me to extend the non-msg experience for an additional 2.5-3 hrs, at which time I pay the consequences. I thought about taking another 1/16th at hour 5, but haven't tried it yet.

The mfgr indicates that Tagamet peaks in 45-90 min & lasts 8 hrs.
Tagamet works like an anti-histamine & targets the H2 receptor in the stomach.

I don’t have acid reflux & I’d rather avoid drugs.

Is anyone aware of an ‘herbal’ remedy that specifically targets the H2 receptor in the stomach?

I found this list of anti-histamine herbs, but don’t recollect or haven’t experimented with them.

And I also note Amlant, an Indian formulation:
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Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2012 - 7:34 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Here's another link relative to the H2 receptor:

Is anyone aware of an ‘herbal’ remedy that specifically targets the H2 receptor in the stomach?
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"Carnosine may be an endogenous protective factor and calls for its further study as a new antiexcitotoxic agent." -

Dated 3/07, that quote is taken from this url (appears in last sentence)

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