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Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2010 - 9:39 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

To try and make my long story short, :-) , I need to lose weight. I seem to have issues with hypothyroidism (can't lose weight) food intolerances - both of which I 'feel' came along with the MSG exposure. I have been trying to eat MSG free up to and including stopping the supplements from the ND. I was supposed to go back and see her, the ND, but had to cancel. So in the meantime, I wanted to keep on going MSG free and see how I did especially in regards to the thyroid issue and if that would get better. However, I am having symptoms that scare me....but then again, I think they are MSG related not thyroid related...I pass out. So, they tell me don't diet on thyroid boards, hard on the adrenals, etc., etc. I am and have always been overweight since about age 6. I really, for once, would like to lose the weight. I did Atkins in the past and only lost about 20 lbs and of course as soon as you stop the diet, you gain back the weight. I did Fat Belly Cure, but it really messed me up with my digestive system...? again, I think it might be more MSG exposure as I was taking in all the whey protein drinks trying to not eat as much of other things...the good thing was the Fat Belly Cure was working for me, the bad thing I felt really awful on it.

So does anybody have any ideas....I have already cut sugar out of my diet, I try to eat controlled portions and only eat when hungry. I think I am dealing with a leaky gut symptom too and while waiting for that to heal don't want to cause myself more problems. I just seem to keep going around in a vicious cycle. I was wondering if anyone else had similar issues and they got better...just kind of down right now.

I also had a bad exposure last night with some leftovers. Pulse shot up about 30 minutes after dinner, got light-headed, shaky and nauseated. Got that feeling of I'm gonna pass out, so I went to bed to lay down. Today, I'm just down and have a headache that goes and comes. More like pain on movement type of thing....

Between all of the issues, I just get kind of down feeling like I fighting a useless battle. Especially when I was on the thyroid medication and started shrinking which was a great feeling. However, after following and tracking how much they dose and supplement and split dosages, etc., etc., well....that doesn't seem like fun either...

Okay, sorry for rambling. Just was wondering if anyone had any advice, prayers, or a good cheese to go with my Whine ...

Oh, and I've gained 5 lbs. Most people say they start losing....I always have been weird.
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Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2010 - 5:57 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

its funny you posted this inquiry today, i was just starting research into the Anti-Inflammatory Diet for my own rosacea and scraggy thin hair...

weight hasnt been my issue, its my skin & hair that are a total mess & nothing i do seems to make much long term difference! it seems every time i feel that i am heading back toward something like 'normal' the whole process backfires and its back to square one... looking like an old baglady. blech.

so, i keep hearing about this Anti Inflammatory protocol on various other forums and i dont know much about it all yet but it seems like it could be worth a try... i dont think it is any one specific program but more a matter of emphasizing certain foods/herbs, & avoiding others (just like we allready do if we are avoiding msg/fga).
it seems that a lot of the most common foods we eat here in the States are highly inflammatory, ie: Soy, Dairy, Wheat, Corn, Pork, Canola, Processed Sugars and of course the ubiquitous additives... a lot of these things we are all ready avoiding if we are msg intolerant... but, i am coming to the point where i am thinking that avoiding msg/fga & additives may not be enough for my own tired body anymore, and that maybe i had better work on eliminating all the foods that are known to cause inflammation since Rosacea essentially is a systemic inflammatory condition.

anyway i guess that was a pretty long-winded way to say that, maybe, since you are having chronic thyroid issues that even meds dont really regulate, could it be that your body is struggling against chronic inflammation too? especially since you are also wondering about leaky gut- that is definitely a chronic inflammatory issue!

i certainly understand your frustration with all the various diet programs, i have tried a bunch too so i know exactly what you mean! but so many of them are just LOADED with all their 'special' packaged items and protein powders etc that are basically msg bombs, no wonder they end up a failure... the last one i tried was one of the so-called LoCarb programs, i felt great for the first few months and then wound up getting really ill with all the symptoms of a terrible b-complex deficiency. so of course i thought, well i obviously need regular bread back in my diet, becoz this aint working! ...didnt realize until much much later that all of the great 'lo-carb' specialty breads etc that i'd gotten into buying were highly processed and no doubt chock full of unlabeled soy and msg. sigh...

but this Anti Inflammatory thing could be worth considering... you would keep eating whole, REAL foods the same as youve been... just making a point to avoid the particular foods which aggravate a chronic inflammatory condition....

i think i am going to have to give it a go, meself... the holidays have only started and allready ive lost all my new hair & my skin is red and stinging all over again! grrr. its all SO aggravating isnt it!

i am sorry youve been having such a struggle... passing out even, thats awful. all the setbacks do get one to feeling rather depressed after awhile... but you are definitely on the right board for sympathy, support & good advice, becoz everyone here knows just how it is!
aw... you need a hug- here's one from me... take care & keep posting
Roy Piwovar
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Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2010 - 6:09 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


What may work the best is counting calories. Forget about fad diets - eat what works for you, not somebody else. You want to lose weight gradually. If you go too extreme with any diet you won't be able to stick with it long term to maintain the loss. Going on walks regularly may also help when cutting calories alone doesn't cut it. Good luck.
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Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2010 - 6:30 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thank you for the hug and your words because they really do mean a lot. I'll have to look more into the chronic inflammation. Funny, I wound up with a B12 deficiency too. One note about the skin, mine is horrible too... I figured out that if I use a public restroom and wash my hands, their soap will actually scald my hands and it takes almost a week for them to get better. I use first press olive oil on my hands the next few days after an exposure like helps but it is painful.

Okay, I'll reconsider counting the calories...I have low carbed, did the hacker's diet and the fat belly cure....the hacker's worked and it is a calorie based diet. I just didn't know with the thyroid issue which I still think could be an MSG thing and hoping it will correct itself, and they were saying that constant dieting was a causative effect in the thyroid issue...???

It really seems I can't win for losing in the weight loss department.

I do know my 'down-ess" is due to my exposure last night. It was a corn starch issue which normally doesn't bother me, but I had leftovers which had been there for a couple of days. I won't be doing that again. Wow! Even my husband has been shocked over the reaction.
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Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2010 - 9:21 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Duchess, I really relate to your issues with weight. I believe that I am finally making headway with some of my chronic health issues (which also includes thyroid issues and B12 deficiency). For all of my adult life I had gained weight and yet gotten more malnourished every single year. Last year is the first year that I didn't gain a single ounce and I ate better last year than any year previous!!! My diet plan consisted of trying to eat nothing but whole foods without any additives to heal my body - and I ate as much as my heart desired - I didn't allow myself to ever get hungry and I definitely didn't avoid fat or calories. I just made sure that the calories I ate didn't come from foods that I don't tolerate and that meant cutting out grains, legumes and sugar for a time (I believe our ability to digest these foods can become compromised after digestive issues get a foothold) and then adding foods back in slowly while watching for reactions. Really it was a year of discovery and fine-tuning but definitely not dieting to lose weight. Granted I am not losing weight yet, at least I am not gaining anymore and I think success is right around the corner (for the first time in my life).

I think the key is digestive health. I don't think there is anything you can do to lose weight until your digestive system is in fit working condition again. If you do find something that works to make you lose weight, I think it is a short term result that is a huge strain on your body and destined to fail in the long run (and might even make it harder to heal). My theory about digestive health relating to weight loss is bolstered by the fact that all B12 is processed in the intestines. The reason we are deficient is that our beneficial bacteria are out of balance with the bad bacteria outweighing the good. As long as we are not processing these vitamins correctly, our body will hold onto fat to guard against starvation and malnutrition.

I have been looking for months and finally picked up my first raw cow milk today. We are going to make raw milk kefir and start drinking it every day. The probiotics from this and our should make a huge difference for us. I have seen dramatic improvements in the reduction of the severity of digestive issues and allergic reactions since I have started taking probiotics every morning and night, however, there are only 6 strains of beneficial bacteria in my probiotics and there have been over 30 beneficial organisms isolated from raw milk kefir. I can't recommend this highly enough. Even if you do nothing else, please try adding probiotics in some form to your diet. I am also actively searching for corn-free supplements for B complex and vitamin C and D as I think we are too deficient to get enough from food alone (always my preference).

Along with the anti-inflammatory diet, you might consider rooting out the remaining hidden additives in your food because they are highly inflammatory to the human body. I've learned so much from the corn avoidance forum on Delphi: Also, adding more of the naturally anti-inflammatory foods to your diet will help: ginger root, turmeric, garlic, parsley, etc.....

I also found a lot of improvement for me and the children once we found a safe water filter and custom butchered grassfed beef and chickens. I think those are the major remaining sources of unhealthy additives in most American's diets. It is impossible to find absolutely additive-free meat of any kind in any grocery store. No matter how well you search and how much the company assures you otherwise, I guarantee that to be the truth. There are some brands that are not as bad as others and some that are ALMOST additive-free, but none that are 100%.

This has been a long journey of searching and learning but I finally feel the pieces are coming together. Also, there are two ladies on the avoiding corn forum that reported weight loss, increased energy and allergy improvements after doing nothing more than adding raw milk kefir to their diets.

Duchess, you are correct about your "down-ness" being caused by your exposure. Depression and feelings of impending doom are common reactions to food additives along with anxiety. I feel it sometimes, too. On a couple of occasions, I burst into tears in a public place (Home Depot) when I was exposed to some corn chemicals - I was so embarrassed because I would never cry in public otherwise and I didn't even feel the emotions that usually accompany tears. These additives are definitely messing with our hormones....

I've developed this theory after reading more scientific gobbledy-gook than you can imagine. If anyone has any information on this subject, I would love to hear it. The GAPS book really got me going on this path and I've done a lot of reading that started from facts I garnered from that book. Gut and Psychology Syndrome by Natasha Campbell-McBride
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Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2010 - 10:26 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

kristy, i cant wait to hear how the raw-milk kefir comes out... lucky you! i know youve been hunting for it awhile now :-)

sure wish i could find raw milk for sale where i live! unfortunately, it seems to be 'illegal' to buy or sell (?) around here, altho if i knew someone with a healthy cow and had something i could trade... but alas, in any case my too busy life in da city does not permit driving out to the farms on any regular basis...

but, ive also had a bit of a theory develop over the years dealing with my son's sensitivities, that good clean RAW milk simply would not cause the problems that all the super-heat-treated stuff does. my son reacts with ugly mood swings to any more than the smallest bit of dairy on a rare basis... ive always felt that wouldnt be the case, if he could only be a boy growing up out on a country farm...
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Posted on Thursday, December 02, 2010 - 6:28 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It's actually illegal to sell it here in MS, too. I am getting it free from a lady that has too much milk for her family. She actually lives 45 minutes away so we will be going once a week or so. I can't believe we finally lucked out. We are freezing some now so when she can't milk in late January or February(the cow is pregnant), we will still have some available. A friend is sending some kefir grains to me so I will be drinking it plain until then.

You know, so many people have trouble with dairy these days. It makes me wonder how many of them would be able to tolerate raw milk with all the enzymes intact. I bet most of them.....and even more if they made 24 hour yogurt from it so that no lactose remained.
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Posted on Thursday, December 02, 2010 - 6:45 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I was in India many years ago and my digestive health was never better there. Ive had IBS since my teenage years and the six months i was there, not so much as one symptom (aside from the odd bought of Deli Bellie which is bound to happen travelling in India) All milk is raw once you are out of the cities and in rural areas. Breakfast every day was a big bowl of yoghurt. I forget the actual name they used for it. It was white lumpy and looked quite unappealing but was devine to eat. I credit my digestive health to eating that every day. Yet shop bought yoghurts here (even organic) i avoid mostly because they trigger my IBS symptoms.
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Posted on Saturday, December 04, 2010 - 6:59 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Duchess, I agree with Roy. A simple counting calories diet, with moderate exercise and eating small meals every 2-3 hours. Focus on healthy options with a balance of carbs and proteins each meal. Hang in there, I hope it gets easier.

bo'nana, I've been looking into an Anti Inflammatory diet as well. My chiropractor told me last week I really need to move in this direction and keep my sugar intake at a minimum to help with the inflammation I have in my neck. I've just started reading about it and I'm anxious to learn more. Good luck!
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Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2010 - 12:50 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I need to put in my 2 cents here although it might seem off topic. Get checked out for sleep disorders. That means a sleep study probably - overnight in a sleep lab all wired up. I hated mine but once my sleep apnea was treated (and I still have sleep issues and need my treatment tweeked) I was able to start to lose weight and did a better job at keeping it off. I have lost around 130 lbs so far gradually over many years but I have no intention of putting most of it back on.

There are life style changes to do too of course but getting a decent night sleep helped keep them motivated.
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Posted on Tuesday, December 07, 2010 - 9:43 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sara - I have read that sleep deprivation can be a cause for inability to lose weight, so even if not an issue for Duchess, could be helpful to others.

I wanted to add that if you are going to count calories - and I think I mentioned it to you before Duchess - check out In my mind, an easy way to track nutrition, exercise and weight loss and fitness goals. Pretty nifty tool - and free.

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