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Star
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Posted on Monday, May 03, 2010 - 2:38 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi there just trying to fine tune my diet. Still noticing some blood sugar reactions (tiredness, heaviness, not losing as much weight as I would like).
Does anyone have problems with tofu? The cleanest stuff I can find still has Calcium Sulphate as a coagulant. I am not noticing any reaction within a few hours of eating it like I do with other stuff.
Otherwise I am eating everything basic ingredients, (no MSG, citric acid, any acids for that matter on the label and so on...). This is the last thing I have been eating sometimes. I am feeling better for sure, but still the fatigue, not as bad mind you. It has been just under 4 mos. on this diet. Any suggestions or info re: tofu would be very helpful. Thanks!
Star
bo'nana
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Posted on Monday, May 03, 2010 - 4:38 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

hi star...
bo'nana here. you shared a horror story with me about tartaric acid/cream of tartar, now i get to share one with you about soy {;

my personal experience with soy can be found on one of my other posts, suffice to say it made me REALLY REALLY SICK. evidently i had the same cumulative reaction to years of eating soy that coeliacs get from wheat and glutens... it pretty much shut my digestive system down completely for several years, until i finally pegged the problem, got rid of it, and spent the better part of a year recovering.
its been 3 years since i last consumed any soy products intentionally, and i am still stuck with chronic pain and fatigue- partly due to other nutritional factors i am just finding out about (thanks to the amazing helpful people on this board)- but largely due to the autoimmune connective tissue disorder i developed as a result of all the soy i used to consume.

now i am not saying that will happen to you. i was a BIG fan of soy and really overdid it unwittingly. everyone is different and soy has always been at least a limited part of the diet in some parts of the world. but truth be told, i feel like eating any amount is playing with poison, because it is so high in all the phytates and amines and other things that are hard on the human digestive system. plus as kristy will no doubt verify, most of the worlds soybean crops are now genetically dinked with, and God only knows what havoc that will eventually cause (if not allready)

the bit i most wanted to share with you is that soy can really tamper with your thyroid function... which will cause the type of symptoms you are describing. it wont show on any test, because in reality your thyroid will still be functioning the same as usual. but the various hormones & chemicals in soy end up BLOCKING your body's ability to utilize the hormone, just as they also block nutrients from being absorbed by your digestive tract.
long story short, the more soy a person consumes, ultimately the more tired and generally crappy they will feel. if they have a predisposition toward certain types of cancer or, like me, toward autoimmune illness, then look out! big trouble ahead...

here is a link to an article that helped open my eyes to what was happening to me... hope this helps answer your question, or at least offers a few new things to consider
https://www.westonaprice.org/The-Ploy-of-Soy.html
kristy
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Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 12:56 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

bo'nana,

I am still suffering the same types of problem that I believe were caused by food additives. Since we are allergic to corn and still ingested it for many years unwittingly, it has caused a lot of residual problems as well. I just had my thyroid checked and it is "functioning at normal levels" but I know my endocryne system is screwed up. First of all, I don't eat any food additives, grains, fruit or sugar and I don't lose an ounce and still have chronic fatigue. I am using healing, traditional foods to heal us, but there is something wrong that diet won't cure. What did you do to help with your healing?
Star
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Posted on Thursday, May 06, 2010 - 11:37 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks so much bo'nana, still more research to go, but I believe this is the missing link!!!!!
I am excited about more eliminations, ha, ha...
lots of luv to you,
Star :-)
bo'nana
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Posted on Thursday, May 06, 2010 - 1:24 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

star, i am glad if something i have said turns out to be helpful to another... i have received so much help from others over the years, i am grateful to finally be able, in some small way, to reciprocate.

kristy, apologies for taking so long to respond to your question. i have been mulling it over in my mind...
first, i wouldnt be at all surprised if other foods (and food chems) might have similar effects on the digestive tract's ability to function efficiently... since discovering that SOY was the culprit responsible for my coeliac symptoms, and not wheat or its cousins, i have wondered why doctors limit themselves to suspecting only gluten?

in fact, now that i know that Carrageenan and the various gums were largely responsible for my latest relapse, i see even more evidence pointing to a wider variety of sources for gastric issues than popular medical opinion gives credence to.

getting the offending stuff out of one's system is step one... and ideally, healing should naturally follow. in my case, it didnt, which i guess is why i said 'recovery' instead. now that i have developed an autoimmune reaction, i think i will see a lifetime of better/worse days... so my goal is rather, to maximize on the good, relatively energetic days and figure out ways to minimize exposure to the things which bring on the bad.

i do hope that true healing does come to you. but, in the meantime, i think i would focus on the 'recovery' aspect and take it as it goes.

ok, enough philosophizing (: ...practically speaking, what steps i have actually taken involve, of course, abstinance from the culprit(s) as much as possible. then i had to take piles of supplements to replace the lost nutrients & alleviate several deficiencies: i was extremely low in iron, and had significant deficiencies in B-vites, Magnesium, Zinc and probly others. some of the supplements made me sick too, so it was definitely a learning curve. also my stomach had nearly stopped producing acid, and my digestive enzymes were all out of whack. my naturopath wanted me to take protease and HCL. i balked and instead took 'plant-based' enzymes, probiotics, and a herbal bitters formula. after several months of requiring digestive support for every meal, i began to notice i didnt need it quite so often anymore, so began gradually weaning off- increasing a bit when needed, and skipping at other times. basically, just trying to listen to my body's signals. it has been a very 'instinctual' process, and not always successful. but overall, for every fall backward, there have been a couple steps forward

i hope you can find something useful in that great heap of words! i fully agree with what you and Deb A and others have all said: KEEP LISTENING TO YOUR BODY! We are "fearfully and wonderfully made", and have been given amazingly durable inner workings- it takes a huge amount of abuse to destroy all function- and really, the experts dont know everything... trying to piece our personal mysteries together is why we are all here, and not just in line for the pill dispensary (:

try not to feel too discouraged when your tests come back negative (and the good doctor says, "youre healthy. go home")... most of mine never showed anything either. the Scientific Method is not infallible after all... so if something keeps telling you that it is your Endocrine that is messed up, trust that instinct. it is probly right

blessings!
kristy
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Posted on Saturday, May 08, 2010 - 3:47 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

bo'nana,

thanks for taking the time to write this post. I feel that I have the same issues that you have had. I don't have naturopaths here so I have been feeling my way on my own. I could not get any supplements that we can tolerate since they almost always contain corn (most cannot even be compounded to be corn-free because the corn is used in the processing of the vitamin itself). The same goes for digestive enzymes. I have called Houston Neutraceuticals and they explained the standard process for making enzymes is to spray the liquid enzymes onto a layer of maltodextrin to dry. All enzymes are made that way and I am allergic to corn. I do make my own fermented veggies and raw goat milk kefir for probiotics and also take a purchased 6-strain blend probiotic that is in powder form and corn-free. The homemade probiotics help stimulate acid production so they make my digestion work so much better. I feel that I would really benefit from digestive enzymes if only I could tolerate them.

For now, I continue to do the strict GAPS diet with no grains, sugar, fruit or nuts. No preservatives, additives, caffeine, artificial sweeteners, etc. I just started juicing and am tentatively excited - I think I am feeling more energy but I am afraid that it is wishful thinking.

Really, I know I am healing. S-L-O-W-L-Y, but surely. I feel better than I have in many years so I should be satisfied, but I just have too much to do to be exhausted all the time. I eat too carefully and conscientiously not to be losing weight. I am also getting worried that this is permanent damage. I am keeping my fingers crossed and will just keep on keeping on. Sigh.
carolh
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Posted on Sunday, May 09, 2010 - 11:39 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Three more methods for weight loss that may help. Recently it was found that CLA helps the body produce more brown fat cells which burn up extra energy. CLA is found in grass-fed meat and butterfat. The "French Paradox" may be explained by the fact that the French eat plenty of grass-fed butter in everything. They just burn up the extra calories in heat. Studies found that a cold room - about 61 degrees also helps the body produce these cells.

Also, the body burns fat at night - so don't eat close to bedtime. Make your body act like a hibernating bear when it's dark out. Get it used to burning fat.

I have been finally losing the weight from my pituitary tumor by adding CLA bison meat and grass-fed butter to my diet and spending more time this spring outdoors in the cool air. I also don't eat past 7 pm if I can help it.
kristy
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Posted on Sunday, May 09, 2010 - 9:41 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

carolh, good advice. Unfortunately, because of our corn allergy, we already are eating only grassfed meat and the only dairy we eat is from grassfed cows. I buy Kerrygold butter if the Organic Valley limited edition pastured butter is not in stock and we bought half a cow from a local grassfed beef farmer. We also spend time outdoors tending our chickens (for corn-free eggs) and our garden (for corn-free herbs, peppers, tomatoes and cucumbers). When we were still eating corn, we would commonly eat late at night, but now we stick to a better routine which includes an early supper and no midnight snacks.

BTW, we haven't had chicken in over a year because we simply can't find any corn-free. Saturday I talked to a local cornish game hen farmer that is going to call me with a quote to custom raise a group of 25 hens for us. She is going to price the organic feed (corn and soy-free) and get back to me. We are so excited, it is ridiculous. I had talked to her in the past to find out what she uses for feed and it got her to thinking. I must say, the farmers market is a fabulous place. I had tomatoes and cucumbers last week for the first time since last summer! I sure do miss cucumbers and tomatoes during the winter and those in the produce section contain corn.
carolh
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Posted on Monday, May 10, 2010 - 10:16 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It is hard. I know what it is like to really miss chicken when I was allergic. I tried everything in sight - quail, even pheasant, I missed chicken so much.....
Star
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Posted on Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - 3:15 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

kristy... I know I am trying to lose weight as well. But it will go. If you are eating a clean diet that is free of everything, but it will take time, ha, ha... I have had to recalibrate the way that I think about weight loss. I am expecting the old results when I could eat low nutrition, low fat diet foods, and exercise myself to the point of exhaustion! ha, ha... for me i am happy with a few pounds per month. This might be off the "MSG" topic, but are you still eating wheat? I found my weight loss didn't accelerate until I was off all wheat.
kristy
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Posted on Thursday, May 13, 2010 - 10:11 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Star, I am on the GAPS diet which means no grains at all and I don't tolerate fruit or honey or nuts. So, I eat meat and fresh vegetables and broth and fermented vegetables and coconut oil and butter. That pretty much sums it all up - no rice, wheat, sugar, dairy, legumes, fruit, no frozen or packaged foods, no additives, corn or soy, no caffeine, etc.

That is why I am concerned about losing weight. The mere fact that I don't lose weight on this diet tells me that there is something wrong with the way my body functions. I feel really good on this diet, but I would expect to lose weight gradually and there is no weight loss. Frankly, I would settle for more energy.
bo'nana
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Posted on Thursday, May 13, 2010 - 11:18 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

hmmmm... you are right kristy, there is definitely something going on there. im stumped- but i will keep my eyes & ears open, and post anything i find out.

my mom is FMS with Hashimoto's (autoimmune low thyroid), and she has a terrible time keeping weight off, even tho her drs. always insist her tests show 'normalized' function...
she doesnt consume any soy, and very little dairy, anymore either, and still cant get the extra weight off. always tired and usually hurting, too...

so, i am wondering what other (fake) foods might also hinder thyroid or digestive function, or possibly be triggering the liver's fat storage mechanism?
anyone have any thoughts?
Star
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Posted on Monday, May 17, 2010 - 9:26 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Kristy, hmmm that is indeed puzzling.

How long have you been on the GAPS diet?
I have been eating similarly but still have some organic cane sugar, tiny amounts of maple or agave syrup, nuts, honey, fruit, and rice, but no dairy as well as oils (olive oil, walnut oil.. etc).

I have noticed that my weight loss is much more slow then other people I know that have been on this diet plan. But it is slow & steady.

I was anemic for a bit, and finished a bottle of floravit, which helped a great deal, but I am sure that there are things in it that you cannot have. There are other sources in food as well, if this is the case.

I am going to consult with a naturopath soon, when I can afford it, as I would like the energy to be higher and my weight loss to be faster, ha, ha...
I also do the Dr. Hulda liver/gallbladder cleanse because I have a huge whopping gallstone, and I find that my energy greatly improves after this. I am sure that the gallstone affects my digestion and my energy, so I am not too panicky about either right now, until I get my stones cleaned out.

I would recommend getting some bloodwork done. Maybe you are low on something (low energy), but if you have already done this, time, and perhaps some gentle yoga, to gently encourage the weight to go :-)

Someone said earlier whether it was yourself, or bo'nana, is that it would help if I saw myself in recovery, instead of aiming for that total healing. this has helped me not have too high of expectations for myself. I am sure my extra weight and the fatigue has came from the demineralization and nutritional deficiencies that have resulted from the diet I used to eat, while vegetarian, full of preservatives, additives and just plain crap.

I am trying to be patient, sigh :-) ha, ha

best of luck,
luv Star
Star
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Posted on Monday, May 17, 2010 - 9:28 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

p.s. Kristy, I know this forum isn't for "cleanses" but I am a firm believer in liver cleanses for things like chronic fatigue... If you want to know more let me know, and I can give you some info...
luv Star
bo'nana
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Posted on Monday, May 17, 2010 - 3:30 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

star, i would like to hear more on the liver cleanse...
i have shared everything ive learned so far with my brother, who is really excited about all of it. he is bipolar & very low energy when not running off the rails from mania, and he too has some stubborn weight which simply refuses to come off.
like most everyone on this board, he & his wife have tried to live healthy for a long time, yet keep struggling to maintain...
he told me that he wants to try a complete liver cleanse- his first, so any advice will be appreciated! he is also considering going raw/vegan, so if anyone has some pointers there, please share...

kristy... i agree with star, that perhaps some more labwork might be helpful. for example, have you had your inflammatory markers checked, and are they elevated? what about a GI panel, to check digestive enzyme levels, certain food allergy markers which show up only in the gut, and for yeast/bacterial/parasitic overgrowth? there are also nutritional panels which could help rule in (or out) certain deficiencies... good energy metabolism really does depend a lot on the B-complex, Magnesium, Iron, Zinc and a number of the trace minerals...
even tho the drs never did figure out what was really wrong, i did gain some valuable clues & insights from each of those tests (also an autoimmunity panel and metals panel)

i like what star said about being "demineralized"... what a great way to put it! i sure was!! (for pretty much the same reasons too, star :-)
so i also took Floravite for quite awhile, to help with the low b-vites and iron problems. after about a year, i did begin reacting to it so i had to stop, but for a long time the medicinal side definitely outweighed the toxic parts. i know you said that supplements in general are out for you, but this one is supposedly derived completely from herbs so maybe it could be helpful?
here is a link to the one i used, in case its a possibility for you:
http://www.florahealth.com/flora/home/usa/products/R64771.htm

i think the chronic low energy just may be your biggest clue at this point... you are still reacting to SOMETHING. (argh- how frustrating!)

and i truly hate to even make this suggestion... but... is there any possibility it could be the coconut? ):
*sigh*
its just that i keep having this little alarm ringing in the back of my head, some vague phobic instinct, i guess... that coconut just might be the next soy...
i hope not!
Star
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Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 4:52 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, I will share what I know :-)
I know that milk thistle is a popular liver cleanse. Personally it is too harsh for me. I was taking the recommended dose, and it was working, but toooo fast! I almost had the worst anxiety attack of my life! Ha, ha...
So what I do is use aloe vera juice. I found some that is distilled,
http://www.warrenlabsaloe.com/
as I found that all the other kinds have some kinds of additives like carrageenan, I guess to thicken.
As well I do a modified Dr. Hulda Clark Liver Cleanse.

http://www.drclark.net/en/cleanses_clean-ups/liver_cleanses/liver_cleanse.php
or more info @
http://curezone.com/cleanse/liver/huldas_recipe.asp

In preparation for the cleanse I have been taking

Malic acid 500mg tablets combined with Magnesium 86mg (this will relax your system to help move the stones).
Take 3 tablets, 3 times per day for 6 days.

Some people recommend eating green apples, and only green apples in the days leading up to the cleanse (which will give the malic acid I believe).

I have got stones out! A tonne of them. At first I couldn't believe my eyes, ha, ha! But I think now I am going to try a parasite cleanse. I went to India in 2005 for 4 mos. and quite honestly my energy has never recovered. They say the success of the liver/gallbladder flush is limited unless you do a parasite cleanse beforehand.
For the parasite cleanse, I believe it is just whole cloves, black walnut and wormwood tinctures.
http://www.drclark.net/en/cleanses_clean-ups/parasite_cleanses/parasite_chart.php

there are other herbs that are know to aid in liver cleansing including burdock root, and even pure chamomile tea, but it all depends on what route you want to go, and what your reaction levels are... :-) the harshest, but perhaps the most effective is the Dr. Hulda's cleanse... and most tried.
best of luck,
luv Star
Deb A.
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Posted on Wednesday, May 19, 2010 - 9:36 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Remember guys, that MSG is a powerful endocrine disruptor. It especially hits the hypothalamus which controls our hormones effecting the response of all our major organs. It effects or compromises the thyroid, liver, etc., which in turn effects our health. It effects the hormones that tell us to store energy as fat instead of burning it...it interferes with the hormones that tell us we are full. I believe strongly that excitotoxins are responsible for most of the obesity, thyroid problems, and neurological disorders, including depression. They deplete seratonin and other important hormones we need to feel good. Cleanses serve a purpose, but if a person goes back to eating poor food choices high in excitotoxins and other additives, the same health problems will return.
bo'nana
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Posted on Thursday, May 20, 2010 - 4:31 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

deb, thank you for the timely reminder!
ive been going through my medical files again, trying to fit more pieces into the puzzle... what you say makes so much sense, in so many ways...
i have suspected for years that there is an underlying "root" to a lot of these poorly understood syndromes & chronic illnesses, especially considering that so many manifest an awful lot like systemic poisoning.
i really feel that excitotoxins are that root, the index which so many of our chronic health issues spring from!

again, thank you for all the amazing work you have done in bringing this to light... i have allready begun sending information & links to this site to everyone i know

may GOD continue to bless the efforts of all those involved in exposing this global nutritional disaster... and may the circle of awareness just keep on growing wider around the whole world!
cheers
Deb A.
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Posted on Friday, May 21, 2010 - 1:16 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It IS the people right here who are widening the circle of awareness. All of us who care enough to check in here for the newcomer are doing much to lift others to better understand how serious this food additive disaster really is. A huge hug and thank you to all of you who are willing to tell everyone in your own circle and beyond.

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