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Betsy
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Posted on Sunday, January 31, 2010 - 6:03 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I've been looking around on this board for the last few days trying to figure out if some of my problems are caused by msg and, if so, what to do about it. I noticed some older posts regarding naet helping people. I also noticed that Mr. Samuels on the other website was helped by naet. Is this still the case? Most of the posts I saw were older. Are people still being helped by this?
guruofmsg
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Posted on Sunday, January 31, 2010 - 10:47 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Welcome to MSGmyth, Betsy.

I'm not too familiar with NAET, but I do know that it focuses on allergens. MSG is a poison, not an allergen, but it can affect allergy response. (http://www.msgtruth.org/allergy.htm)

Also, please read my article about the cover-up of hidden MSG and feel free to pass it along to anyone you wish: http://www.naturalnews.com/025066.html
Betsy
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Posted on Tuesday, February 02, 2010 - 4:29 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I've always done my best to avoid any chemicals in my food (msg included, even those hidden names) bought organic, etc. It's very depressing to find that I'm probably still getting msg from chicken and vegetables from Whole Foods. I feel like I might as well not eat anything. My husband is very upset because now I'm thinking about adding more restrictions to my diet and he thinks it's all a bunch of baloney anyway since he has no problems and can eat anything. I mostly lived on chicken, canned salmon, vegetables and rice anyway. I can't just eat rice because I have to eat some protien with it or my blood sugar gets to low. Now I'm not sure what to do. I guess I'm going to have to try finding a local farmer who I can buy chicken and eggs from, but this probably isn't the time of year to do that.
Mariann
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Posted on Tuesday, February 02, 2010 - 10:10 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Betsy, take heart it is going to be OK. If you have not bought Debs Book do so, it has so much information and a ton of recipes that I live by. Now you said Whole Foods, so you must have access to one. Get some Bell and Evans chicken, I eat it all the time. Always wash it of course, they even have chicken burgers with only chicken,salt and pepper as ingredients. Trust me when your husband sees you healthy, and happy again he will be on board. The attitude you mention is sometimes there because people that love us feel helpless to fix us. But success will do that for you. Get some Woodstock Farms organic peanut butter, you have to mix it, so what it tastes great. Wassa brand plain rye crackers, and/or Kavli plain rye crackers. All the jellyies that I have seen have pectin which can be a no no. I found some organic cranberry sauce, packaged in a preserving jar from Mass. I use that and it is great. If you are interested I will get the web site for you. It may be the wrong time of year for that, but I am getting eggs from my local farms and lots of other good stuff. But let's focus on now. I use organic plain oats (not quick) in bulk from Whole foods. I choose organic to avoid sprays. I find if I just eat the oats I have a sugar thing happen too, so I always have a cracker with peanut butter as well so I can get some protein. I use straight cane sugar on it and a bit of Organic Valley half and half. You can mix it with a bit of water if you choose. I also can use their organic whole milk. I use Land O Lakes butter. I don't use any Idaho potatoes because of spraying. If you can find some org. ones from Canada, I have used those before safely. Now I get them from a local farm. There are more of them than I realized. I use Earthbound carrots all the time. I shave them onto a tuna sandwich in big slabs with my peeler to moisten it up. I use Tongol Tuna from Trader Joe's. I make my own whole grain rolls with org. flour using Deb's recipe. I also use Earthbound onions and romaine lettuce safely. You don't need a ton of variety at first, just safe foods. Pick a couple of items and eat them to see how you do and be very careful about adding things in. Keep in touch here and you will be getting so much good advice and ideas. I wish you wellness and keep the hope alive that you will soon feel better. Mariann PS. My grandson gave me a great idea the other day, he said" Nana, you use just plain cane sugar right and I said yes I use Dominoe's. His idea was to use one of those little sugar cubes if I felt like I needed candy. I do it and it works. Oh and by the way Walker Brand pure butter shortbread cookies are OK too. Nice treat with a cup of Choice organic white tea, they have that at Whole Foods too. They have Santa Cruz organic lemon (not from concentrate) that I use in the recipe in Deb's book for lemon squares, delicious. You can throw some pure cane sugar into a food processor or a cheap coffee grinder and make safe confectioners sugar. (most have cornstartch in it) You can make lemon ice with a little ice shaver machine, very inexpensive. I think if you make the Brownies in Deb's book You will get some positive feedback from your husband. I use Black and Green organic cocoa powder and organic Hodgkins Mills white flour. They are the best brownies ever. OK I am going to stop right here, I told you to be simple and here I am throwing the whole shpeel at you sorry for that, but I like to help. Good Luck
kristy
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Posted on Tuesday, February 02, 2010 - 1:54 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Betsy,

I think the people that are helped by NAET are the ones with a corn allergy and not just msg sensitive. I think all msg and fga additives in this country are made from GMO corn or soy, so teaching your body to ignore your allergy to corn would cut out the reactions to msg. That is not to say that the GMO corn is not still causing damage, because GMOs are doing damage even if (like your husband) one can't feel it. Here is a list of corn-free foods that is somewhat up to date: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pbOHAWYuqvDFcCqPaPqmYUw

I agree with Mariann, get the Bell and Evans chicken but never buy any meat from the case at Whole Foods. I have a modified msg diet for avoiding all corn derivatives if you are interested. The most important thing to remember is not to avoid a whole food group just because you react to some brands or types. One cucumber might be fine and the next one can be waxed with corn derivatives. One brand of frozen veggies can have hidden corn and another brand might work perfectly well for you. We tried almost every brand of organic eggs until we found some that worked for us (Kroger Naturally Preferred free range organic). One other thing that might help you. Once I get a major reaction to corn, I react a little bit to everything I eat. It can take over a week for my body to calm down. I never cut out a food just because I react to it after a major corning. I usually go back to a very basic diet while recovering and that helps. Don't worry, you will figure all this out and then you will start feeling better right away. Don't worry too much about what your husband tells you, just listen to what your body tells you. Just tell him to keep his opinions to himself since they are not helping you....surely he wants to help you? Besides, if he reads the info here about GMOs he might just be happy to have a built-in detector: http://www.responsibletechnology.org/GMFree/SpreadtheWord/HealthRisksBrochure/index.cfm

Mariann, you should try the Organic Valley butter in the green foil package. It is delicious and the land olakes has been giving people reactions. Regular organic valley is good and so is the Kroger Naturally Preferred. Also, the Susie's organic olive oil crackers are very good. I will be thinking about you in the morning. Keep us posted on hubby's progress.

Kristy
Mariann
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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 3:49 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Kristy thanks for the info and the good wishes. My husband had the surgery today, very extensive sinus and deviated septum. He was supposed to be in the OR for 50 minutes, it turned into over two hours. He is home and resting comfortably. Glad that is behind us. I will definitely try the Organic Valley butter I still am concious of the fact that the fga can be cumulative, so maybe that is a weak link for me. I have never used Susie's organic olive oil crackers. I will add that to my "try" list. We don't have a Koger's here in the North East, it sounds like they have some really good products. Thank you to Roy tonight also, it meant a lot to me when you said it is better to treat the cause than the symptoms for my husband. It helped me stay clarified in the decision to do the surgery. He has been on so many meds over the years. They seem to think this is going to work and I sooo want them to be right. He has helped me so much over the years to reel in this fga problem that I have. He keeps a daily list on a calender of what I have eaten and how I reacted. I couldn't have done it without him. I guess that is what for better or worse means. Love and help in the trenches of everyday life. I feel blessed. My thanks to all of you. Mariann
kristy
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Posted on Thursday, February 04, 2010 - 6:47 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Mariann, I have been thinking about your hubby's surgery. I am so glad to hear you are home and he is doing fine. Just keep feeding him that good broth (whether he wants it or not) and he will be up and around in no time.

A weird side note...my daughter had a deviated septum until last year when we cut out all food additives. I remember she came and told me one day to look closely and see if I saw anything different. Her deviated septum was gone. Neither of us knew how long it had been gone, but she doesn't have one any more. The only thing we could figure is that it was part of her edema caused by ingesting an allergen. All three of us had swelling in hands and feet that went down once we quit taking in the allergen, but we had never heard of a deviated septum being a part of edema. I had forgotten about this until just now when you said deviated septum was part of your husband's surgery. I guess it makes sense now that you say your husband only felt better when he was on antibiotics.
Mariann
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Posted on Friday, February 05, 2010 - 9:38 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks Kristy, he is doing good and I am definitely feeding him good broth. His face isn't even black and blue, not too uncomfortable either. We did everything the doc said to do and he has been taking it easy so as not to insite swelling and too much bleeding. He has been propped up on the pull out couch in the living room so he can look out the window at life and the birds, near the TV and upright so he is being a very good patient. For those of you that might use that posture, a memory foam topper takes a lot of pain out of the pull out couch mattress. It worked really well. The back rest of the couch is really helpful in staying upright with a gazillion bed pillows to cushion him. We are moving forward. Here is a great story one of my past drapery customers, that we made a connection with came by with a grocery bag filled with organic pudding boxes, organic yogurt, strawberries, blueberries, rasberries and bananas, so I could feed him healthy foods. She said, I know you are particular about foods without additives so I brought these by. She heard through the grapevine about my buddy. I love it when someone listens and acts on good advice. She eats a lot better now herself she said. In relation to the deal with your daughter's dev. septum, I am not surprised by anything having to do with getting rid of the junk in our foods. I think it is great about your daughter. In fact at one point I had my husband eating only what I ate, he was using a neti pot, Vit. C,E,Selenium and Pro biotics and he had a nice long 5 month restbit from the coughing (no anti biotics on that stretch) until he was introduced to some germs that gave him bronchitis and eventually pneumonia. Then we started over again. I know that edema can be insidious in causing problems. You know Kristy I was thinking about the land o lakes butter, I have eaten a lot lately and no surpise migraines. I wonder if the people that are having problems might be cooking with it. I never heat it or the milk because being pasturized or ultra pasturized it has already been heated. I only use organic olive oil or organic safflower oil to cook. I will get some of the organic valley and try some gravy again though, because I really miss that sometimes. I will be aware though and thanks for the info and the care, I appreciate it. Mariann PS I am so proud of the good Mama that you are. You are saving your childrens lives and their quality of living. You gave them life once and now you are continuing the promise. From one Mom to another, good job.
kristy
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Posted on Sunday, February 07, 2010 - 12:35 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Mariann, it is so hard to have to lie around to recover. Having someone taking care of you makes it much easier. He is lucky to have you taking care of him. It was so nice of your friend to bring those things. My SIL gave us crystalized ginger at Xmas because she knew there were very few things we could have. It always warms my heart when someone goes out of their way to help.

I never have trouble cooking butter. I use it to saute onions, peppers, and garlic all the time. I would hate to give it up. I am already doing without bacon since I can't find any safe around here. Onions and butter are vital!

Take care and keep us posted. Kristy
Mariann
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Posted on Sunday, February 07, 2010 - 9:58 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Kristy if the onions and butter are working for you, then you need not give them up. I am not even sure if I would have a problem myself, I just try to do damage control early, sometimes too early. I am definitely over cautious. If you go the extra mile and use Org. Valley, you are probably fine. Nothing beats the smell of onion sauteing add in garlic and peppers yummy. I didn't have bacon for almost 3 years now, but the farm where I get my eggs now has bacon just smoked with apple wood an old Swedish method I think he said. i tried it and did good. I am so happy to be able to add it into my group of safe food. I use it in my stuffing along with celery, onions and safe bread with my own stock and of course much much butter. Hey come to think of it, I cook that stuffing in the oven after I make it, so I guess the butter cooked, at least in that way is safe for me. I know what you mean about the recovering, when I read that you had gotten zapped with meat that you thought was safe, I got so mad. I kept thinking of you and your family waiting out the days that followed. I wished I was there to help. Know that you are held in great care from the people here and even if we are not physcially present we know what you are going through and are sending good energy your way. I know I felt it myself from people here. I will certainly remember the deed that was done for me and I will pass it forward. I never thought of the blueberries, rasberries and strawberries, because he only eats bananas. But if anyone has had surgery you know that it is important to keep the body moving out the bad stuff in order to heal. That fruit really helped, so pass it on. You helped so many people here by alerting us to the meat problem that you had. Sorry you had to take the fall, but it was not in vain. You know he has been here to take care of me often enough God knows, it was good to give back. Thanks for all your good thoughts it is so appreciated. Mariann
kristy
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Posted on Sunday, February 07, 2010 - 5:46 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hey Mariann, I am getting up at 8:30 in the morning to wait in line at the deer processing place across the road. I finally realized that it wasn't just a hunter supply place and stopped to talk with the meat guy. He said they process hogs and deer year round, but they only sell on Mondays "what wasn't picked up". In other words, they are probably only permitted to sell meat if the person that dropped it off for processing doesn't pick it up. Whatever, they sell it on Mondays, first come, first serve. They never know if they will have deer or pork but I hold out hope for bacon or at least pork belly. I am so excited to get some meat that isn't treated with lactic acid. I'll let you know how it goes.

Stay well and tell your hubby we are all thinking about him.

Kristy
Mariann
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Posted on Monday, February 08, 2010 - 8:39 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh Kristy that is so great, I am so happy for you. You see when one door closes, another opens up. Yippee for you. My dad used to hunt and we had the most wonderful venison growing up. When it is processed correctly it is not even gamey as some people picture. It will be so healthy for all of you. Oh man, can you imagine having bacon again. Let me know how it goes. Isn't it funny how all of a sudden supplies of needed food pop up. You go girl. Mariann
Deb A.
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Posted on Monday, February 08, 2010 - 10:59 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

For those who miss bacon, I found a way to enjoy my own version by buying fresh sliced side pork at the butcher store. Sometimes I find it at the grocery store, too. First cut off the tough rind and then separate the slices. Sprinkle liberally with salt and pepper and place seasoned side down in a skillet. Season the other side before turning. During the last minute of cooking, sprinkle pieces with a little sugar. It's so good. I freeze any extras and add to chowders and omelets.
Mariann
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Posted on Monday, February 08, 2010 - 6:04 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh Deb that sounds great, I am copying that one for future reference. Can't wait to try it. Is the kitchen up and running yet? Mariann
EmilyS
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Posted on Monday, February 08, 2010 - 6:38 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Wonderful idea! I really, really miss bacon. I have added this to my "must try" list. Thank you!
kristy
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Posted on Monday, February 08, 2010 - 7:25 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

This link tells how easy it is to make bacon from a pork belly. http://www.3men.com/bacon_making.htm

When I lived in AL, I was able to buy pork bellies from my farmer that didn't have any corn on them or any treatments at all. You can just coat them with honey and salt and wrap it up and put it in a baggies then put a plate with a weight on top and leave it in the fridge for a few days. Flipping after a couple of days.

That was the best bacon that I have ever had. I sure wish I had some now. Well, it's only a 7 hour round trip to get some more. :-(
kristy
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Posted on Monday, February 08, 2010 - 7:29 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Obviously, there was no pork today, but I did get some ground deer meat that isn't supposed to have been treated with anything corny. I only bought five pounds to try, but I am hoping we like it. Maybe I can find a farmer that will sell me a hog and I can get it processed over there.
Mariann
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Posted on Tuesday, February 09, 2010 - 9:05 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh Great Kristy, I didn't see this post when I asked earlier if you got meat. I am so happy for you. Mariann

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