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Salad / salsaMarcia10 5-01-01  3:54 am
HypoglycemiaMEMorrisNJ21 10-21-01  5:14 pm
FAIR - Fairness and Accuracy in ReportingDeb A.1-17-01  10:01 am
Allergy Identification and Elimination TechniquesConnie6-27-01  10:13 am
A story to shareDeb A.17 3-08-01  4:19 pm
AnaphylaxisRoy Piwovar2-28-01  2:51 am
Dizziness, Meniere's disease, ear pressureKevin21 9-13-01  2:52 pm
The MSG BluesCandy Berry10 3-15-01  1:02 am
HospitalizationsMEMorrisNJ2-26-01  5:48 pm
OrthorexiaDeb A.30 3-07-01  11:01 pm
Going on vacationshirley9-15-01  5:32 pm
Glutamic Acid AmountsChristine K.P.S.3-30-01  8:55 am
My incredible MSG story!!Deb A.3-09-01  7:51 am
Soft DrinksAnonymous10-11-01  10:14 am
PBS Tonight - genetically engineered foodsCarol H4-26-01  3:16 pm
Natural FlavorsChristine K.P.S.6-04-01  2:38 pm
Attention! AuxiGro newsDeb A.6-25-01  7:16 pm
We can make a difference now!!!!Deb A.14 8-06-01  12:29 pm
MSG and Young ChildrenCarol H12 9-14-01  2:11 pm
Personal Apology from NoMSGKendra Liester8-16-01  8:53 am
Sympathy to all AmericansPMaddigan9-14-01  8:59 am
A letter, and a reply...Don Campbell11 10-19-01  10:29 pm
HempRoy Piwovar10-25-01  8:54 pm
Just to share some important info for preparednessDeb A.10-25-01  12:13 pm
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Posted on Sunday, October 29, 2000 - 4:59 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have heard or read somewhere that MSG is a carcinogen, can anyone throw any light on this??
Carol H
Posted on Sunday, October 29, 2000 - 5:54 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have not heard that. It may have something to do with antioxidants, since it may interfere with the body's ability to make taurine, a water soluble amino acid with antioxidant properties. MSG's greatest danger to the public though, is as an endocrine disruptor, not a carcinogen.
Deb A.
Posted on Sunday, October 29, 2000 - 5:33 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Anything that causes our bodies to throw of their proper balance of hormones, weaken our defense system, cause lesions to grow in our brain, constantly irritate the linings of our digestive system, over-burden our lungs as in the case of asthma, and cause toxins to build up in our cells, certainly sounds like it could, under some circumstances possibly make it easier for cancer cells to take hold somewhere, if we are not vigilant about avoiding it. That's just a suggestion, not a sentence for us. We are actually the lucky ones who know what is happening and can avoid more serious scenarios. I do know that in the production of MSG, pyro-glutamic acid, l-glutamic acid, d-glutamic acid and carcenogenic substances are created and are present in the finished product.
Vicki Ketch
Posted on Thursday, November 02, 2000 - 12:14 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I don't know, but I have suffered from msg reactions in various degrees for 10 yrs. I just had a benign tumor removed from the roof of my mouth. The tumor only swelled & protruded when I would have a reaction. It sounds like it's related to me? What do you think? The doctor said he had never seen one that large and never one like that on the roof of the mouth!
Deb A.
Posted on Sunday, November 05, 2000 - 10:12 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Dr. Olney and Dr. Blaylock both agree that glutamate and aspartame cause lesions in the brain. Scientists once thought that glutamate receptors were only found in the brain, but now they have been discovered to be present in the breast, and the lungs. In the most recent "Costco Connection" there's an article about cancer that states that "the incidence of brain cancer is on the rise, with frightening statistics"......the second leading cause of cancer deaths among children and young adults under age 34, brain cancer claims between 1,200 and 1,300 lives each year, and it is the most rapidly increasing cause of cancer death among the elderly." In my opinion, most of the major modern epidemics from ADD to Fibromyalgia, to asthma, and cancer are the result of our compromised health and immune systems, which are the direct consequences of the chemical assault of the 20th century...and the leading poison to our system, which I believe has set up a deadly domino effect, has been MSG.
Carol H
Posted on Sunday, November 05, 2000 - 11:16 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Makes sense. MSG-GABA-Growth Hormones. Cancer is basically a disease of uncontrolled cell growth.
Vicki K.
Posted on Tuesday, November 07, 2000 - 6:58 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I received your book yesterday, can't put it down, it has great information in it. I did have a question about the whole milk issue, is it O.K. to drink whole milk, but not low fat milks? I was just unclear on this issue. Also, I just found in one of our small grocery stores, that a local dairy is selling milk in glass bottles, do you think that it is safer, maybe I should just buy it and stay away from the rest! THanks for the information!
Deb A.
Posted on Tuesday, November 07, 2000 - 8:33 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Vicki...You are very welcome! So glad you are enjoying reading the book. Have you reached the chapter on dairy products yet? And do be sure to read the message to hypersensitive individuals. The problem with many low fat milks is that producers add dry milk solids and sometimes dry whey to low fat milk to add volume and pump it up, so to speak, to make it more palatable. When the fat is removed from milk, you have an almost clear, bluish liquid, that isn't all that appealing. By adding dry milk, it will resemble whole milk, but it will also have more free glutamic acid present. Milk is high in natural glutamate, and to produce dry milk, heat and air are used. The process breaks down the natural glutamate into free glutamic acid, the harmful form present in MSG. I talked to one dairyman who told me that gelatin is also used in the production of some low fat milks. Some free glutamate is created in the pasteurization process, but not like that created in producing dry milk or whey. It does not have to be labeled as "dry milk added", because, essentially, it's still "milk" that is added. Vicki, it wouldn't hurt to try the milk in the bottle, (whole)and see how you feel after using it a while. I drink a little organic whole milk, but dilute it with water, it's so creamy. To make my hot cocoa, I boil 1/3 cup of cocoa with a cup of water for a few seconds. Then I add sugar and some Rice Dream plain rice milk, some of the organic whole milk, and more water and sugar if needed, to taste. A pinch of salt is good, too. I rarely drink milk, opting for water most of the time. But for those sauces and puddings we like now and then, I basically do the same thing, cooking with water and flour and maybe a beaten egg yolk to add more richness, and then reheating with added milk and/rice milk until heated through. That prevents hydrolysis of the protein in the kithen.
Gerry Bush
Posted on Tuesday, November 07, 2000 - 8:54 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Vicki, Be careful also of the Ultra Pasteurized versions of all milks, including organic. They will have an unusually long shelf life. The Ultrapasteurization process uses high heat and frees the glutamate. This type of milk knocks me out...literally. So be careful.
When I need milk, I opt for the "Trader Joe's" Organic whole milk and dilute it like Deb suggests. It has never "knocked me out".
You may also want to check out the following website:
Vicki K.
Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2000 - 6:49 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

We'll I tried the whole milk from the local dairy and my stomache did not get sick as it usually does after drinking milk. Maybe here is one answer! I will keep trying it!
Deb A.
Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2000 - 9:16 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Gerry! Glad you're back and that you had such a "healthy" and happy vacation.
Gerry Bush
Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2000 - 11:50 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks Deb, I missed all of my friends here too. I shudder to think of living without the support of you and the others who share their knowledge and experience to help others.
It is very disturbing for me to imagine that so many people out there are being exposed to MSG and other chemical food additives and experiencing symptoms from which they suffer and for which they have no diagnosis.
We do need to figure out a way to reach the masses, and to do it quickly. Vicki K.was lucky like me to find this site, while so many others continue to suffer.
Vicki K.
Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2000 - 12:46 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Could not agree more, I talked to my sister about all these wonderful things I am finding out, she wondered if she tried getting off msg, if she would lose her cravings for sweets, etc. I told her it was worth a try, this new way of eating has taken away all my old cravings, especially since I'm not craving the msg! I'll let you know what she finds out. I told her it could only help not hurt.
Deb A.
Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2000 - 1:27 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Vicki, I don't know if you have my book or not, but you can show your sister the chapter on obesity and why MSG causes us to crave sweets and other high carb foods. It actually triggers an adrenaline rush. That in turn activates our fat storage and food craving centers of the brain. That in turn causes us to release seratonin, our brain's "feel good juice". But by using our supply of seratonin so much, we are setting ourselves up for a crash. When it's depleted, we start to feel blue and we begin to crave the foods that will give us that adrenaline surge again, the same high carb ones that got us there in the first place. It's a terrible cycle. Dr. Arnold Mech, an eating disorder specialist discovered that people who were starving themselves by subsisting on diet pop and avoiding all sugars, tested positive for hypoglycemia. His conclusion was that excitotoxins (MSG and Nutrasweet) were triggering the same reactions in the brain that sugar did.
Carol H
Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2000 - 5:25 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Another player in this whole mess is insulin. MSG induces the body to make more insulin. What happens is this: the insulin packs away the sugar in the blood stream, storing it. What you feel is your blood sugar drop, because the flood of insulin has taken a lot glucose out of circulation. A blood sugar drop makes us hungry, tired, restless, and generally very cranky. Without an insulin surge we should be able to get through four or so hours without dire hunger. If you eat something that ups your insulin drastically like table sugar or MSG, you would be lucky to make it through an hour and a half. This is also where the adrenal glands kick in. Some people think the reason adrenalin increases with low blood sugar, is because when we are hungry and low on fuel, we still need enough get-up-and-go to locate food. A sort of hold-over from our hunter/gatherer ancestors.
Vicki K.
Posted on Thursday, November 09, 2000 - 7:04 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Deb A,
I did get your book, and that is where I made the connection. She is very excited about reading it. Since I quit eating all the hidden msg foods, I have lost 5 pounds. Grant it I don't eat inbetween meals, but I also don't crave it either. I am only 10 pounds over weight, but before I never could take that weight off, no matter how much I did or didn't eat. I believe that is because I was so bloated by all the hidden msg and the water retention etc. Usually when I want something, it is because it looks good or smells good, not because I'm really that hungry.
Deb A.
Posted on Thursday, November 09, 2000 - 10:02 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks Carol! I forgot to mention that the first thing that is triggered in the domino effect I outlined above, was insulin, and that adrenalin is ALWAYS released in conjunction to an insulin response. How many times have I related that to groups?!! I'll blame my MSG damaged brain for that's an easy out!
Vicki, when I speak to groups, I always pull out an old driver's license from about 8 years ago, and pass it around...bags under my eyes, bloated face and my weight is noted. Then I pass the one of me 4 years later, after I had made the MSG connection. My weight is about the same, but no one can believe it's the same person. I look trim, no bloating, and no bags. The main comment is that I look 10 years younger than my earlier photo. All that changed was WHAT I ate, not how MUCH I ate.
Carol H
Posted on Thursday, November 09, 2000 - 3:13 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Just thought of something. What if MSG's effect on insulin is what allows it easier passage into the brain? By causing temporary hypoglycemia, it reduces the brains barrier to MSG.
Deb A.
Posted on Thursday, November 09, 2000 - 4:23 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Insightful suggestion, Carol. Scientists are puzzled by the fact that some people have "leakier" blood brain barriers than others. Some wonder if heredity or even trauma have somehow compromised it. But I have talked to many people who say they have had no such trauma to the spine or head. Heredity may simply suggest that a similar body chemistry may be involved. Have you had anymore contact with the reporter? I keep sending things to this person when I think they may be helpful. For those wondering what I am talking about, we do get requests for infomation and scientific data from news reporters, doctors, and other professionals interested in learning more about the food additive/MSG issue. You too, can write articles about MSG and send them to your local newspaper health/lifestyle/science editors.
We need to do all we can to help get the truth about these dangerous food additives out to the general public. Any suggestions are appreciated as to how we can better do this. Visiting other boards and adding a link to our site, as I think Loretta has, can help make a difference.
Deb A.
Posted on Thursday, November 09, 2000 - 4:25 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sorry MEMorrisNJ! It was you who shared our site with another group related to this issue.....
Tom Fernstrom
Posted on Saturday, November 11, 2000 - 7:37 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Deb A,

You mention the compromise of the "blood/brain" barrier due to trauma. I am sure many of us can remember hitting our heads at various times in our life - a very hurtful experience at the time, but nothing to be concerned about because everybody does it. But who knows it could have an affect. A more subtle brain trauma may occur from sun or heat overexposure. I recall when I was about 10 years old I suffered sunstroke to the point that I was sick for about a week with alternating chills & fever. Even childhood colds and flues could be suspect if they raise the body temperature during the formative years of the blood/brain barrier.
Posted on Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 7:42 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Have entered the cannabis issue through research dealing with manufactured free glutamic acid (MSG)

When searching for neuroprotective agents-- I found that marijuana derivatives like dexanibol: block glutamate at the receptor level, scavenge free radicals and inhibit the tumor necrosis factor

Do searches on neuroprotective agents or dexanibol,
medicinal cannabis, etc.

Also the Supreme Court will be ruling in March as to whether patients with MS, cancer,etc. (ie. MSG neurotoxicity!) should be provided access to medicinal cannabis

Several states have already passed legislation allowing this. Are 9 justices going to overturn this and adversely affect millions and millions of people's lives? DEA is trying very hard to block all access to benefical hemp health foods, seeds, lip balm, shampoos etc.
Roy Piwovar
Posted on Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 3:59 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A U. S. Supreme Court dominated by "compassionate conservatives" will never permit the compassionate medical use of marijuana:
Carol H
Posted on Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 4:26 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The new nominee for US Dept of Interior spent a lot of time defending companies that made lead based paints and has fought long and hard against the laws she would have to enforce. Gail Norton is a terrible choice for that position and we should write our congressmen not to confirm her. Although we may care about what we eat and breathe, and the environment, she does not. Her confirmation hearing is tomorrow.
Posted on Friday, January 19, 2001 - 2:36 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

In our paper today it was stated that Clinton ok'd
that GM (Genetically Modified) products do not have to be stated on the labels. Hopefully we can
get help from the new administration with Truth in
Labeling and our concerns. I intend to aggessively pursue this.
Roy Piwovar
Posted on Friday, January 19, 2001 - 6:06 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


Per the link below, 83 percent of the influence money spent by the food industry to promote bioengineered foods went to Republicans. That being the case, I would guess that rather than being an active promoter of such foods, Clinton more likely caved into pressure from a Republican majority congress.

I wish you luck in your efforts to influence the current administration to listen to your concerns. If the article is any indication, the next four or eight years look to be an uphill battle:
Deb A.
Posted on Friday, January 19, 2001 - 7:08 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Beware of Cranberry Fruitlings, by Sunsweet!!! My husband received a huge bag of them for Christmas. I checked the label and it read, "No added artificial preservatives, colors, or flavors". "Ingredients: cranberries and sugar"
Well, after eating a handful a couple weeks ago, I became very ill within 3 to 4 hours....bad stomach pain, bloating, nausea, diarrhea, and the next morning, a medium strength headache. I wondered if it could be the cranberries, but I had eaten other things. Today, I called the company and they looked into their info, and first he told me that they contained a little sunflower oil. I told him then that should be part of the list of ingredients, but that the oil should be fine. He said he knew that there was something else in them, and kept looking through books until he found it. He found the page and said they treated them with sulfur dioxide! I was should be labeled, but of course one has to prove that there is more than 10 parts per million in the product. From my reaction, I'm sure there must have been. I told him how dangerous this was to people like me and asthmatics. He was genuinely sorry, by was only there to answer consumer questions. Anyway, to make a long story short, we are being duped! How clever of the company to say such a thing as "no artificial preservatives", knowing full well that sulfur is natural. I still need to post more info regarding sulfites on this site. There are some good links here about sulfites, I believe. But "buyer beware!" is more true now than ever, Roy.
Roy Piwovar
Posted on Friday, January 19, 2001 - 7:31 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Deb A.,

I'd report the Cranberry Fruitlings situation using the site below. Sunsweet (and anybody else who does so) should be required to recall all mislabeled or incompletely labeled products.
Deb A.
Posted on Friday, January 19, 2001 - 9:36 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks so much, Roy! I had fully planned to write a formal complaint to Sunsweet and the FDA, not that they would do anything about it. A typical scenario with the food companies and some people in power in the FDA seems to be, "you turn your head, and we''ll make sure you have a paid chair on our board of directors when you retire" least that is what Jack Samuels tells us goes on sometimes. We'll see what happens. Will check with this site you've given me. Thanks again!
Posted on Friday, January 19, 2001 - 10:25 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I stopped eating cranberries last year. I have no idea what was in them that would have given me headaches. Are they high in glutamates or tyramine? These were from the bulk section of Whole Foods Market and looked perfectly safe to me. Sometimes they have two versions of dried fruits, and it is very easy to tell which ones are treated with sulfites. The ones that don't have sulfites also don't look very appetizing. These were the only cranberries they had, and since they look good, they probably had sulfites.
I have found no one at my two local Whole Foods Markets that are at all sympathetic to my food sensitivities. Still, they are the only place that I can buy the few things I can safely eat.
Posted on Saturday, January 20, 2001 - 7:17 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did Jan. 18 posting in a hurry
correct spelling is dexanabinol
Posted on Saturday, January 20, 2001 - 4:09 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

In response to Deb A message on Jan. 19, about the cranberry fruitlings: I discovered that when a company lists "sugar", you can not always assume it is cane sugar. I had a reaction to brown sugar made by Pillsbury, so I called the company, and sure enough, the sugar listed was in fact "beet sugar". I am wondering if the sugar used for the cranberries was beet sugar, and not cane sugar. I have found that my biggest problems come from msg made from corn and/or beets. I have also found that now that I react to msg from corn and/or beets, my reactions to just plain corn and beets is also bad, which didn't used to be the case years ago. Deb A: please check to see what the source of the sugar is in the cranberry fruitlings.
Roy Piwovar
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Here's an article on dexanabinol by the company involved. Unlike other articles, the company site doesn't mention glutamate by name, but simply makes reference to "excitatory amino acids", probably to avoid controversy.
Deb A.
Posted on Saturday, January 20, 2001 - 8:54 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Take my word for it, Anon., I reacted to the sulfites. I am EXTREMELY sulfite sensitive and my reaction to MSG is different in that I get a migraine headache that no meds can touch and occasionally some loose BM, not explosive diarrhea, which I always get with sulfites. If I do get a headache from the sulfites, it's different and treatable with Ibuprofen, plus I don't get the blurry vision for days afterwards. But your point about beet sugar is well taken. I can tolerate a little beet sugar fine, but am like you with some brown sugars, particularly the ones in which they coat the granules with molasses to make them brown in cheaper brands. The molasses they always use is sulfured molasses, too.
Tom Fernstrom
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Dear NOMSGers,

Here is an example of a posting that was made on a newsgroup I visit called:

Of course you all know why I read that newsgroup -- it is to find other desperate people who I can relate to that I try to help by advizing them about this website.

Well, after reading the posting, maybe it would be more convincing for this individual if he received a number of e-mails or postings to the newsgroup regarding his physical problems. I advised he visit this site and read the discussion forum, but maybe a few more of us writing to him would help. What do you think? :)

Subject: Re: I am 22 year old male, why is my pulse 155 at rest ?
From: (Jim)

Thank you for being brave enough for posting here with all the hostile feedback I have given to other posters. I do not mind comments about
the possiblity that my meds may have caused this but when the person is obviously just against all meds then I unfortunatly have to take any and all info they tell me with a grain of salt because its
tainted. They did tell me some things that helped some.

I had my thyroid tested. It is fine. I dont know what tests they did. My mom takes synthroid and I can ask her what tests they do at the
Cleveland clinic. I go to the same Dr as my mom, I find its hard to find a good Dr sometimes so I knew she helped my mom so I have been going to the same Dr, also it could help if any problems are genetic.

I told them to give me an EKG, I did not think they would give me one if I didn't ask but I don't know for sure. I told her that a kid at my
highschool dropped dead while shooting foul shots so I wanted to make sure my heart was ok.

My blood pressure drops when I stand up. My pulse inscreases. They confirmed this and from a sitting down to standing increased the pulse
by almost 30 I think and to be diagnosed with pots its supposed to be tested from laying down to standing. I am going to ask them for a copy
of the tests or something like that when I get my check up. I asume the ekg took my pulse while laying down.

My dr told me that I was posterial orthostatic, and to use more salt on food possibly. I may research this myself and possibly see if there
is a need to go to specialist for pots.My dr didd not say pots but she said PO (posterior orthostatic) the ts means, tachycardia

My main concern is that this problem I have could be fatiuging me. I want to get an allergy test. I worry that allergies and sinus problems and maybe this bloodpressure problem maybe causing problems with my depression. One major thing that has happened reciently is no food. I mean I am starving. I am 22 and I can go out and get a job. I was doing my own buisness but lost a lot of work. I was counting on a procicient amount of food in the house to last me long enough till i
get those checks in the mail, well i never got food or the checks either and now if i try to work, ill look like a coke head. If i am
well enouhg to get a job I am well enouhg to do my own work for my buisness. We have money now and food now and I feel better allready.

Before my drs appointment my Grama gave us 50 bucks and I literally ate 20 slices of pizza in about a day, I ate half a sheet myself in one sitting the night we got it. It has a lot of salt and maybe raised my blood pressure. I think they said it was 118 over 70 but I am hardly sure about that. I need to get copies of the readings. I will post them on here.

I took a urine test and it was ok. I think it was to stest for blood sugar I assume diabeties is the test they were doing. The year before I was tested for lupus and maybe mono or lime disease. I was only tested for Thyroid this time. I got some flow nase just in case but I dont ahve the 5 buck deductable so I will end up with a sinus
infection probably before payday. I have enough of my other meds but its ironic that I am more than likly not well because of largly not
eating enough and I take well my meds might cost close to a grand a month with out insurance. I with I could get a prescription strength sheet of pizza for the 5 dollar deductable...

Even with the not eating enough,... I think theres some problem in the background and I think I have the first problem you mentioned Andrea.
I think the sudafed made it worse because unless I am mistaken, sudafed opens bloodveseles and this may allow blood to drain into my legs more easily. I know sudafed made this problem 10 times worse.

Last year when I went to my dr My temp was 97.4 ... I didnt get it taken this time. I think that my body temp is lower then the standard
variation possibly but I don't know. I think it might be related. Its interesting never the less.

My remeron is in a soltab form now not a pill. I looked for info on here about the new form of the drug I am taking and there seem to be no problems. I started taking the new form of this med about 2 months ago I think.

I am healthy but at the same time screwed up, its confusing. Thank you all for your help. It is very much appreciated.

If anyone has suggestions for follow up questions to ask my dr let me know. I know someone emailed me and I need to reply back to them. I forgot to ask the dr about the item he mentioned. i will do it at the next appointment and post it on here incase anyone wants to see the compleate story....

thanks everyone for you help
if anyone needs computer help or webdesign/programming email me and
I'll hook you up

Don Campbell
Posted on Saturday, October 13, 2001 - 11:49 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Can't believe no one has posted here in response to this poor guy! I know you emailed him, but this doesn't look to attentive (no offence to you Deb, it is not all your responsibility, you have done your part). This guy is living like I have, at the bottom of things for years. I will also email Jim but I will respond here Jim and say; your answer is here. We've all experienced some of what you are going through, and there is a logical explanation. Read through this site and and and follow the suggested links. There is enough scientific evidence that will show you that most of our population is being affected by PROCESSED Free Glutamates and that the root of your problem lies here. I am hesitant to say it, because I don't know how bad many people suffer and how damaged their systems are, but, the goal should be to eliminate as many pills as possible while changing the diet. Ultimately we should be able to live without concentrated, synthetically derived, catalysts that work only on one area of the system (and always have a counter affect on another or the same). Our bodies are only truly healed when the system balance is restored. Our digestion, immune systems, respiratory systems, nervous, muscular all operate on a chemical balance, and are intertwined. When total balance is restored, then there is no need for such "medications". Now I have considered that systems that may be damaged beyond balance restoration and are dependant on such. However if your doctor is prescribing things that are the derivative of something else (therefore altered) then the possibility of balance is further altered. If the doc says you need this stuff just to counter your blood pressure for example, and Jim you said your doctor told you to use more salt, Fuckin Quack,(they have been telling us for the last two decades that salt is bad). The poison in the pizza was not salt, but a salt and flavor substitute, msg, that is: PROCESSED free glutamates. Real, unprocessed salt, is a necessity. If the doctor says you need Phyrobill and the derivative is the Yucca plant, then eat, or cook and eat the yucca plant. Ditch the Phyrobill. Don't take sutifed. It is poison. The inhalants are filled with poisons and some that will addict you. Every pill, capsule, gel, is contained and delivered in 90% msg, highly processed rubbish, and that alone is messing you up. Keep reading here and piece it together. There is logic to all this. But you will need a little salt to take in what you find. Our government and the food companies have known what is going on, known that this poison is doing these things, and the both are one in the same. There is no control on the food supply. My Aunt died of brain cancer from aspartame. Many have, and are still dying, and it is still in soft drinks, in nutrisweet. The doctors are idiots. Do you think they have great knowledge? Not to you Jim, but to everybody else here. Do you? These turkeys need taken down a peg. Jim, I'm poor just like you (but rich in a rich land) and I've lived with the depression, the headaches, the heart problems and blood pressure, exactly as you described it. Four months ago that ended when I found this web site and the other two. Now I hope I can get a hold of you. Sincerely, Don Campbell

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