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Judy T
Posted on Sunday, February 04, 2001 - 11:18 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Deb and Mike A: A thought. During the last few sleepless nights the wheels in my head have been turning. Someone suggested a conference/ convention. DebA and Mike; would you be willing to schedule a date for, say, a 3-day gathering in 2003 in Reno, Nevada? (1) Facilities in the Reno area are ample, attractive and fairly inexpensive as are rooms and meals, (2) I would be happy to organize the meeting spaces/places if you would set a month and if there is a general feeling that others would attend such a gathering, (3) the Reno airport is an international port of entry for our colleagues from Australia, Canada, etc., (4)the months of May or September are gorgeous, roads are open to go to California or to Utah, and the tourist peak crowds and costs are over, there are numerous sights to see such as Tahoe an hour away, Virginia City 1/2 hour, etc., lots of golf, lots of cultural activities for those who wanted to make a vacation of the trip (5) and if interested, various of us would organize committees for program, topics, speakers/presenters among us, entertainment if necessary, and other Reno groups who might speak gratus, such as groups that also have medical and health issues with msg.

Anyway, just a thought. Even if only 30-50 of us gathered, we would have a few years to promote the gathering and to plan for it ourselves. The national nomsg organization has fizzled I guess (haven't even seen a newsletter of late) so it will be up to us to spearhead any efforts that may happen.

Throw out some rejoinders. What do you think?
Deb A.
Posted on Sunday, February 04, 2001 - 12:09 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Judy, I've never organized such an event, but have attended a NoMSG conference in Las Vegas and and board meetings elsewhere. Reno sounds like a perfect choice. I for one would love to meet my posting friends! We would have to share the cost for a hotel meeting room. It could be both a fun time and a chance to share and learn. Personally, I was surprised that there were only about 20 to 25 people at the last NoMSG conference (1997), so I have no idea how many people would be interested meeting as an MSG Support Group. That's basically the way I see us. The NoMSG conference was good, but there were too many speakers and not enough time for questions and answers, and just chatting. That's just my opinion. It was nicely done, but as a person relatively new to MSG and the cause, I guess I was wanting more time to visit and interact. If we have a couple years (or less, if others want to do it sooner), we will have time to let enough people know about it. I would want to make sure that what we charge people would only be enough to cover the cost of the hotel, some snacks during sessions together, and a meeting room. It's always cheaper to book a block of rooms in advance, and if you'd like to check costs, I'm sure we'd love to get something started. These need to be reasonably priced rooms with kitchenettes. Others may prefer to book their own places to stay. Hope MSG isn't keeping you up at night with the wheels spinning. I can remember before I avoided MSG, how it would do that to me many a night!
Carol H
Posted on Sunday, February 04, 2001 - 12:26 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Count me in! I'd love to do it soon, if possible. Great idea about the kitchenettes, Deb.
Tom Fernstrom
Posted on Sunday, February 04, 2001 - 2:31 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Maybe we could get outfits like Trader Joe's interested and let them demonstrate the products they feel would appeal to people trying to abstain from Excitotoxins. It would help them get a feel for what market there might be for their future plans to have mail order from their website. (We might also be able to educate them.)

I too would prefer to keep it less formal, but would jump at the chance to participate in forums conducted by Deb A., Dr. Blaylock and Carol H.

We would all have to take this very seriously and dedicate ourselves to making a show. Especially if we want to attract media attention. One thing we could also set up would be a call-in forum for those too "ill" to attend.
Donna Sawyer
Posted on Sunday, February 04, 2001 - 3:52 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

This sounds very interesting. Count me in. Thanks. Great idea.
Gerry Bush
Posted on Sunday, February 04, 2001 - 6:52 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Me too! What a great idea. Reno is a nice town and very pretty. Deb A. You probably have the connections to the older nomsg people, but I wouldn't want to get together except to further the concept of the "MSG MYTH". Most of of doubt the sincerity of the NoMSG folks. And Deb A, your idea to focus on questions and answers and just chatting is great.
I would bet that if we get together, that something great will emerge. We have all suffered in silence too long. Thanks for the idea, Judy.
Gerry Bush
Posted on Sunday, February 04, 2001 - 6:57 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Just another thought. Reno is a very nice place, but perhaps for some people in our group, Las Vagas might be a less expensive venue. There are more inexpensive and direct flights to Las Vegas, whereas Reno could be more costly as far as air travel. But of course I would go along with the group decision.
Roy Piwovar
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2001 - 5:04 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Here's a web site for conventions in Las Vegas:
Judy T
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2001 - 7:46 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Because Reno has so many places for meetings, there is no need to reserve a block of rooms for sleeping in order to get a meeting place. What casinos do is charge minimally for the meeting room (and that's what we'd have to share), then folks can get their own rooms or kitchenettes or whatever in any hotel, motel, or in most casinos. Then meals are available in every casino and they, too, are minimally priced. The idea is that they suppose you will gamble and drink enough to make up expenses. The chamber has info on line and I would donate any mail expenses for our cause. If Las Vegas is cheaper I was not aware of that...but that would work too. I wouldn't be able to do that arranging but someone can. Vegas is a wonderfully glitzy place with loads of casinos and lots of shows. I'd attend either place, so makes no difference to me. I do know that in Reno it is best to have gatherings in mid week, say, T,W,Th., probably best for flights, too. It is an international port of entry, but maybe Vegas is as well. Just let me know.
As for organizing, DebA, I think the first thing is for you to set two dates; one primary, one secondary. I'll check Reno/Sparks for meeting room prices for 30-50 people and someone else can check for the same in Vegas. Once the meeting place is determined, looks like there's a good crew to make up a program committee. As everyone is saying, it's mostly a support group, but I am sure most cities have people we'd like to hear from; from the local ADD group to a doctor to a food representative to a health food owner, etc. And I think everyone is right...we'd want lots of time for inform and more structured exchange of ideas and time to learn frome each other.
Anyway, DebA, like I mentioned, Reno is fabulous in September (the most predictably good month. May can sometimes be cold and stormy), I can't speak for Vegas but that may have more months in the late fall and early spring that are good. Sounds like great fun to me.
Roy Piwovar
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2001 - 8:47 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Here's the official site for information on the Reno/Sparks/Lake Tahoe area:
Deb A.
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2001 - 10:07 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm all for Reno. It's a beatiful spot and with an international airport, it should serve us well. September is our favorite time to travel for all the reasons you have suggested. And having you there to research things for us is a real bonus, Judy. Who knows, Reno may become a yearly trip for those who want to meet again! I've always felt that it would have been advantageous for NoMSG to have one spot that members always met at for several reasons. It plants in people's minds more readily a "center" for gathering for a certain cause. It's easier to plan and organize for subsequent years. It's a big job, and as in some family reunions, it can become so much work that no one wants to do it anymore. Making it as simple, familiar, and casual as possible will make it work. But then again, even if this is a one time gathering, it will be great to meet everyone! I remember how great it was to meet some of the people I had only chatted on the phone with for years, when we attended the Las Vegas conference. Even if there were only a handful of us this time, it would be worth it to Mike and I to attend. Then we could at least picture who we are "chatting" with on the Net when we are back at our computers again!
Deb A.
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2001 - 11:26 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Judy, I should better explain what I meant by block reservation of rooms. When we would meet for our NoMSG board meetings, we would reserve all our rooms in one motel (about 6 to 8 rooms) and they would give us a discount price. That could be evenly divided among those who want to do it that way, or as you mentioned, we could stay anywhere we preferred. Since you know the area, perhaps there are some better motels, hotels, that you might suggest in various price ranges. Also, do you know of "safer" places to eat, good places to shop for food, etc.? Is there a Whole foods, or a Trader Joe's or some such place? We stopped at a major grocery store there once and were able to find safe tossed salads in the deli. Couldn't tell you where that was, now. But if we have kitchenettes, eating shouldn't be a problem at all.
Judy T
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2001 - 1:25 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

DebA: Just to get things started, and so the group can get an idea about costs in Reno to compare to other places, I'll get information in the next two weeks about 1) a place with one room for 50 (and not too big for 30), 2) a place with one room and some breakout rooms, 3) costs for the ubiguitous sideboard of hot water, coffee, juices (our specifications), 4) what a lunch would cost (our specs), and 5) if a dinner is possible. And, I will see if a block of rooms, say 10 rooms, would impact the cost of the meeting room(s).
To start, I'll look at three days; the first to register/gather with a night gathering, the second full day and evening, the third for final gatherings/sharings to fit whatever the program committee wants. I'll check for weekends but I suspect that weekdays will be our affordable option.
There is also a possibility of a place used for wedding receptions where we could prepare our own food so I'll see if they're available.
If you want, I'll begin with Sept 2002 although that might be too soon as conferences usually have a longer reservation time. If too soon I'll check for September 2003.
All this would be so you and group could compare to Vegas and any other cities others might want to price out.
I reside in Reno one day a week, work in Lovelock, Nevada two days a week and reside in Winnemucca, Nevada the remaining days, so, it will take me at least two Reno days (weeks) to get the prices. Others should feel free to check out their homeplace as well. I love to travel beyond...
Roy, thank you, I knew you'd have the perfect website. The balloon races and the air races are annual events so we may end up scheduling around them.
Carol H
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2001 - 2:56 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is anyone interested in the NYC area? There are quite a few hotels in NJ across the river from Manhattan. In Edgewater, right on the Hudson under the Palisades, there is a Whole Foods Market, you get beautiful views of the NY skyline and you are close to mass transit into the city. There is also a Trader Joe's with driving distance as well. The hotels are much cheaper on this side of the Hudson, than in NYC. I can find out about prices if there is any interest.
Carol H
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2001 - 3:40 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Actually, I just checked. The Comfort Inn in Edgewater, NJ is about $100 double occ. If a large number of people are interested, and a large conference room is needed, the park where I used to work rents a 200 seat auditorium for only $300 for 4 hours. Right at the George Washington Bridge in Fort Lee, NJ. There are other hotels in Fort Lee as well, which is just 2 miles from the Whole Foods Market. There are plenty of food stores around too. This is if anyone is interested. I would love to see Reno too, though.
Deb A.
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2001 - 4:27 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Mike and I didn't attend the NoMSG 1995 conference in California. NoMSG planned well in advance with the hotel kitchen people on the food for one dinner and a lunch, I think. Several people ended up in emergency that night. For that reason, I know that in the future, no "get togethers" for NoMSG included planned meals. I don't like traveling too much for the fear of being "poisoned". To ensure that I actually enjoy vacations and trips, I like to drive and bring a large cooler, and we always book rooms with cooking facilities. Some of us are severly sensitive and others moderately so. We may not be safe planning anyone's meals. At the last conference,some people brought foods from home to share, and some bought things like mild cheeses, Brown Cow vanilla yogurt, and fruit and vegetable platters sans the dip to share in the meeting room. We had bottles and pichers of water, paper napkins, plates and cups. We just broke for lunch or dinner in our rooms, or the more adventureous found restaurants. Some people drove, so we shared cars when we could. I can't stress these words enough....Simplicity, simplicity, simplicity!
Judy T
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2001 - 6:06 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

DebA: I agree with your message. Been doing some checking and Sept/Oct 2002 seems to be workable. I'll get back with the full info, when I have the full info. I agree; simplicity, simplicity. Also, our home is in Reno and is part of a complex that includes a community outdoor area for gathering. My point is, this is really workable and I'm already excited. Rooms in the area, even in September, I think will be reasonable. I was born and raised in Reno and want to visit prospective meeting places personally to discuss options.
Gerry Bush
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2001 - 8:51 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You know it seems to me that Sept 2002 is a very long way off for a casual meeting of friends. How many will attend is a good question. I would like to see Sept 2001 as a target date as quite frankly I am tired of suffering and being poisoned. Any thoughts?
Judy T
Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2001 - 5:08 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Good news. Here is the following information for September 2001. If we want to repeat this in Sept 2002, prices would be similar.

1) Rooms: Super 8 Motel. New. On Virginia Street, main street through south Reno. Block of 10 rooms for 3 consecutive weeknights, $47 per night for king or two doubles per room. Will block all rooms that have refrigerators and microwaves. They have rooms available the nights Sept 10-13 or Sept 16-20 IF we get with it...since they are new they haven't booked the big air races and some other big town event.

2) Rooms: Atlantis Casino/Hotel. On Virginia Street, main street through south Reno. Block of 10 rooms for 3 consecutive weeknights, $89 per ight. No refrigerators or microwaves. They have rooms only Sept 16-20 because of air races.

3) Meeting places: Wow! An especially nice place on Virginia Street in north Reno, the San Rafael Park is a large old ranch with a ranch house rented to the public. There is a main room that holds 75 and a kitchen with a commercial kitchen. There are additional small rooms if we wanted. An outdoor patio comes with the main room. I've been at this place for wedding receptions. It is really nice and the grounds are lovely. It might be just what we need so we can cook at will. Stay with me as I give you the rates and we look at per person costs:
Main room $295 a day plus
Kitchen 60 a day.
Extra rooms are $30 a day.
A day is 7 consecutive hours (including set up and cleanup) and $30 an hour for each additional hour. On room = 295+60+maybe60 if we met 10a.m. through 7p.m. for a total of $415 for one day.

The room (see #1) above at the Super 8 also has a meeting room with no cooking. It is new and looks nice and holds enough that they would partition the room in half and charge us $200 per day for all day, a.m. through p.m. Again, since they are new they are open for reservation on the two weeks I mentioned.

Can I recommend:
DebA: You pick two days (3 nights) of the Sept offerings. We meet one day from about 10 a.m. - 7:00 p.m. at San Rafael (we can cook so the higher cost is reduced by not buying restaurant meals). We meet the second day at the Motel where we MUST book 10 rooms to get the rate of $47.
The cost of the two meeting rooms would be $615...that looks like $15 a head if 41 of us come and $30 if only 20 come. Two good things: if not enough people sign up, we'll be able to invite locals to 'register' and come to our sessions (bet people would come). and also if lots of people sign up, we can get extra space at both San Rafael and at the Motel 8. I need some input, and actually kinda fast if we want to meet in September 2001. There is one fee, a cleanup fee at San Rafael which I will put up because I know you all will pitch in and we'll leave it good. Also, I will seek sponsorship from a few local sources (but not to be counted on).
There are of course lots of other motels/hotels in Reno. I could go ahead and get the Super 8 conference room, I think, without the block of rooms guarantee. Folks might want more or less expensive lodging depending on personal taste. This is a decent motel, and as I say, has new ownership so the rates are probably the lowest they'll be.
DebA...let me know what to do.
Gerry Bush
Posted on Wednesday, February 07, 2001 - 1:30 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm about everyone else? Let's see a show of hands, please, to support Deb A. & Judy T.
Deb A.
Posted on Wednesday, February 07, 2001 - 8:43 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sure appreciate all the running around you are doing for us, Judy! Yes, we need to get some feedback from more of you. Judy, I have held meetings in our public library at no cost, since it is always for a non-profit public awareness meeting. I only needed to post it in the paper and they had 3 different sized rooms to meet in. Just another suggestion.
Although the ranch house sounds lovely, I would suggest we book (subject to cancellation if there is no interest) the 10 Super 8 rooms and the meeting room there. Will they need any money to hold the rooms for the next few weeks that we are working on informing more people? Many of us will be flying in and it may be easier to have just one meeting place to travel to. AND it's less expensive. As far as needing a place to cook during our meeting, I don't think that it's necessary. What we have done in the past is, those who are staying in the rooms where the meeting place is, offer to store perishables in their fridge for meal breaks. I'm always glad to let others use our kitchen. People can eat in the meeting room, or go to a restaurant or back to their own motel. Some will rent cars, I'm sure. Are we sure we want to book 3 nights for this? I'm fine with it, but some people may want to stay for only 2 of the nights. The conferences and board meetings of the past for NoMSG went as follows: Friday evening, arrived and met each other in the lobby or in rooms. Some went out to dinner together, others called it a day after driving to get there. (no need for the meeting room). Met all day Saturday with 2 breaks. Sunday, met again for some of the morning, since people were taking off to catch their planes or start the drive home. Do they have a lower cost for the room for just a morning use?...say for the second day? However, for those who want to stay for the third night, we could meet as long as we wanted the second time. Mike and I plan on the three nights, so please book one of the Super 8 rooms for us. To make it easier on you, those wanting to stay the 3 nights can book one of those rooms and should let you know as soon as possible. Is doing it this year fine with the others? Some of us may have already planned our traveling and vacation expenses for the year, and can't do it this year. PLEASE let us know soon!!!!! We can still do this in 2002. It's up to the rest of you. Please speak your minds. Either date in September is fine with us.
Deb A.
Posted on Wednesday, February 07, 2001 - 8:51 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I think people would not have to take off as much work to travel and be there by the 16th of Sept., especially if they are driving. But it's not a huge difference. We vote for the nights of Sept. 16, 17, and 18.
Carol H
Posted on Wednesday, February 07, 2001 - 2:07 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Count me in for whichever you decide. I haven't booked any vacation for this year yet, so my budget, and vac days are both open. The prices sound great.
Gerry Bush
Posted on Wednesday, February 07, 2001 - 8:11 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm still in for whenever and the 3 nights is good for me also. What about the rest of you out there? Let's have some support.
Deb A.
Posted on Thursday, February 08, 2001 - 11:04 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You know, if we don't get enough people to show interest and help offset the costs of a meeting room, we can do this next year, and work on getting more people to come, including some speakers, such as researchers or doctors. Just a thought.
Candy Berry
Posted on Friday, February 09, 2001 - 5:26 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi everyone,

Just letting you know that I think the idea of a get together is a great idea. Unfortunately, I won't be able to be a part of it, because being an Aussie I'm sure you will understand.

One thing that you might consider though is that if you can't get enough people together for a full on conference for this year, you might be able to make it an informal gathering somewhere so that those of you who want to/can get together can do so. We started off some quilling craft meetings that way, a picnic in the park, then we met in homes, then a craft co-op cottage, & then we got too big for that & had to rent a bigger hall. Good luck with it all.
Deb A.
Posted on Saturday, February 10, 2001 - 6:21 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Good suggestion, Candy. Would love to have you come, though that would be quite a distance. We'd have to give you a prize for attending!

I will have to check with some of my NoMSG friends to see if they would enjoy coming to a small gathering. I bet they would. If there were only a total of about 10 to 15 of us, we could still meet, if anyone would like to. Of course, we wouldn't need to rent a big room. We could still share lots, and brainstorm and just enjoy getting together. Mike and I are game. We could even meet at a park, sit on blankets and visit. Kaye Wanke said her daugter lives there and MAYBE she could arrange a barbecue. I'd go just to meet old and new friends. We could talk about a bigger get together for the future at that time. What do the rest of you think? Would you rather wait until next year and just plan for a bigger meeting then???? Judy will probably need to know real soon.
Gerry Bsuh
Posted on Saturday, February 10, 2001 - 9:02 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm still coming!!
Joyce T.
Posted on Sunday, February 11, 2001 - 11:02 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Got all excited when I started to read about the conference, would love to come, but this year will be in Europe in September. Since I live in Ohio, if the meeting is out west, would want it to be for a few days. 2002 sounds so far away, I would definitely come, but since we travel a lot, need an advance date.
Judy T
Posted on Monday, February 19, 2001 - 9:57 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

2001 meeting and 2002 conference? Here is a compilation of places/spaces I recommend for a 2001 meeting and would also recommend for the 2002 conference:

1) The MeadowWoodCourtyard motel (Super 8) at 5851 South Virginia Street in Reno. Rates: For any of the nights of September 17, 18, 19, 2001: $55.00 (down to $49.50 with AARP or AAA) by phone reservation at 1-800-797-RENO. I would get those reservations soon since there is a Street Vibrations Event in Reno those nights, too.
Advantages: Great small and big meeting rooms. Allows you to bring in your own food (I can't find that anywhere else except the San Rafael Ranch...also a marvelous place but more expensive to rent the meeting room). Easy and quick from the airport. Across and next to the best shopping in Reno. But the greatest advantage is that it is directly next door to Wild Oats, a full healthfood grocery store and deli, the best in Reno. The yards and building are truly nice as this has had extensive remodeling just recently. It is also on the main thorough fare of Reno for easy access to other parts of town.
I did not block out ten rooms as a personal check would have had to be presented but the rate is not that much different. See all the following information: for motel info, for Reno area info, or call 1-800-797-Reno or 1-775-825-2940 for motel and talk to Nicole Bostrom.
2) See a previous posting on this strand for discussion of the San Rafael Ranch for meeting room/picnic area, etc.

3) All other information can be gathered from the above websites if Reno is a 2001 meeting destination. I would hope an organization would step forward and continue the planning. Maybe nomsg will do this? Maybe another person or set of people will come forward? Membership in organizations is usually an advantage because the structure of the organization allows for underwriting of such projects as meetings and conferences. Who is out there? Who wants to take on the leadership position for our cause? DebA, if you set the day you and Mike wish to meet in Reno we know that possibly Tom, Carol, Donna, Gerry, and I will be there. If everyone makes reservations and thinks about how to attend (remember you can cancel motel reservations without penalty...I didn't ask what the policy at this motel was), then we can make this happen. I doubt many people would want to attend just a meeting each year, after all, it's a huge expense of time and money to travel even for a one day gathering, but if we knew we would be gathering with the thought of preparing for a conference that offered not only the opportunity to once again meet but to learn from those in our ranks and from some researchers or doctors and to bring media attention to our cause, then I think many folks would prepare their vacation schedules around a 2002 Conference date. Comment anyone?
Maybe we are ok with our support on this discussion board. Maybe there is a contingency that wants the discussion board and more. For ourselves and others.
Deb A.
Posted on Monday, February 19, 2001 - 12:42 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Judy, you have done a great job, and Mike and I are making reservations today for the MeadowWood Courtyard on the nights of Sept. 17, 18, and 19 of this year. Thank you for all the footwork you have done!
I would like to see this "get-together" as a chance to meet each other, brainstorm and share info. You asked that Carol and I conduct, and I see no problem with that. We could have a panel that would be open for qestions and discussions, and it might include Mike and I, Carol, Truth In Labeling leaders, NoMSG leaders, and anyone else who would like to help. Any other suggestions are welcomed.
Some of you know that NoMSG has gone through some restructuring. Many of us who have been helped by it in the past and who have been on its board, want to see it continue to make any changes that will insure its success in achieving its goals. But if we plan for a conference in 2001, it has to be one that is open to anyone who wants to participate, and not representative of just one group. Paying dues alone should not entitle anyone to participate in this cause or attend such a conference. The cost for a meeting room or any speakers that demand a fee should be the only shared extra expenses required. If a group like NoMSG does develop a meaningful project then we can all join forces to help achieve it. We could raise money by donations, grants or whatever, in order to get some good projects going. None of us can achieve much on our own. A conference could help us co-ordinate efforts and promote networking, not to mention, reach and help a larger group of sufferers. But I feel I need to add that a meeting of volunteers and leaders of various groups on a smaller scale to co-ordinate some shared project could be important, too. Of course this could be done via the internet. Much more cost efficient! Money needs to earmarked for proactive projects and not expensive (time and money) meetings, in my opinion.
I've invited Kathleen, director of NoMSG to attend. She could add so much. She has such media experise, too. Hopefully, Jack Samuels can make it. He wants to if the dates don't conflict with his busy schedule. Kendra Leister, NoMSG editor and Kaye Wanke, former NoMSG hotline person plan to attend.
I still hope that you will consider making Reno the center for any future meetings. I feel strongly that it would give our cause a reliable gathering place, one that has easy access, good weather, a beautiful place to plan a vacation around, and reasonable rates. Not only that, it would be good to establish a center for groups to recognize as a "banner spot" for the cause. It would make all such further gatherings easy to organize, too. And we could attract some media one day. Wild Oats is a great place to eat(lots of safe food), and I was so happy to hear that the motel is so close to one...not to mention the great shopping! Judy, what is the cost of the small meeting room? We can divide it among those attending. Do you need a down payment now? To those attending, would you please post here as soon as you make reservations so that Judy and I can have a head count. I plan to get in touch with the people I have mentioned to let them know the details today. Looking forward to seeing you guys! Oh, how about calling our meeting group, "The MSG Connection", or to appeal to other related groups, and get their future participation, "The MSG/Aspartame Connection". Your ideas are appreciated and needed. Someone suggested "The MSG Institute". Not bad...sounds more "important". It does reflect a meeting of the minds on this issue.
Deb S
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Deb A. - I agree with everything you said above, and I have my two cents to add re: what to call the meeting group. The names you suggest, just on their face, unfortunately convey a positive message regarding MSG. Do you see what I mean? I would suggest something along the lines of "Coalition for MSG Awareness" (CMA for short?). Maybe "MSG Awareness Workshop"? (MAW?) Or how about "MSG Sufferers' Workshop"?
Gerry Bush
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Deb A.- Can Mike move these meeting messages to a separate (and important) that all who want to can easily find info on the meeting.

I will make reservations tomorrow.
Deb A.
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That's a good idea, Gerry. I just heard from Jack Samuels and he and his wife would love to come, but the dates conflict with the Jewish high holidays of the 18th, 19th, and 27th. If this is a problem for others, maybe we should change the date. It's early enough to do. But on second thought, Judy has found a good time with street events, and I'm afraid there will be conflicts on any date for some of us. Hopefully, we can have Jack come for some other event. He would have been a great addition.
Deb A.
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Remember to ask for a kithenette when you make reservations. You can cancel up to within 24 hours of reserved nights. So far we have coming:
Deb A. and Mike A.
Donna S.
Haven't heard from some of my NoMSG buddies yet.
If the numbers stay this small, we can just met in a room! But we can still acomplish some good things, and have a good time. We're open to all suggestions. Remeber, anyone is invited. We would like a head count to see if we need to book a meeting room.
Carol H
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I just made my reservations at the MeadowWood for the 17, 18, 19th :)
Roy Piwovar
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I can't come to this one, but maybe we can have a smaller and more informal get-together 6 months later in the Northeast (DC to Boston).
Gerry Bush
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I'm booked too! Looking forward to visiting with friends.
Judy T
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Deb S: So glad you're coming to Reno! I agree with you about the name of the group indicating how we are not advocates of msg. For the moment I just told the hotel girl that we are a 'food allergy' group but she'll want a name if we rent a meeting room...
Judy T
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Deb S: Oops! I read your discussion above, saw that Donna S was coming and put the two together. Donna S: I am so glad you are coming to Reno and Deb S, I hope you are, too.
Deb A.
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Deb S., I sure like the names you came up with.
MSG Awareness Coalition? (MAC)
Friends Against MSG (FAM)
MSG Awareness Workshop.. That's a good one, too.
Judy T
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DebA: I sure like the Awareness Coalition idea from DebS. Is it msg, processed free glutamic acid, or excitotoxins that all of us are really trying to be aware of? Are we MACs, GAACs, or EACs? I'm being flip, but indeed this is a basic issue for me when I talk to others. I dislike talking about "msg" because everyone then thinks of the Chinese restaurant and their minds close down. "Processed free glutamic acid" or "free glutamates" is awkward but isn't that the crux of what gets us? Or is it "excitotoxins" that are our glutamates plus aspartame, etc? This is not to make issue over such a minor idea, just a thought and a wondering of what others talk about when discussing this with relatives, friends. Actually, I tried out the EAC letters (Excitotoxin Awareness Coalition) with someone and I got a very interested, Oh, excitotoxins...what are those?

I got a meeting room for the full day of Tuesday, September 18, that will fit us fine. I'll explain tomorrow.
Carol H
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I like Excitotoxin Awareness Coalition (EAC). When I talk to people here (NYC)about MSG, they often ask me what I have against Madison Square Garden :)
Deb A.
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Tom, are you planning on coming? You mentioned having a phone on hand for call-ins during the meeting. Maybe we could arrange something like that and post the number on our site and the NoMSG site.
Speaking of NoMSG, it has been suggested that we post the info regarding our meeting in the next issue of the NoMSG newsletter. I want your feelings about this, because if we do and we get lots of interest, we may need to secure a large meeting room. But time is important, and we can't risk losing a small meeting room. Once Judy T. can give us an idea of prices, we can make some decision. Also, this is not a convention as I see it, but as many people who want to come, should be able to. They should be told that it will be an awareness and support type meeting if we do mention it in the newsletter. Again, this is not a NoMSG affair, but I have invited them. I really like the idea of calling the meeting/group an Excitotoxin Awareness group or some such name, for the great ideas shared earlier by a few of you.
Deb S
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It is doubtful that I will be able to come... I have a young, very active child (5 in Sept. and just starting kindergarten) with no one who could keep him for 3-4 days in a row. Do they have "kennels for kids"? Ha ha, just kidding!
If something changes in the interim and I can come, I will let you know.
Judy T
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September 17,18,19, 2001: Excitotoxin Awareness Coalition (EAC)gathering in Reno. September 18: in the Meadow Wood Courtyard conference rooms, reserved from 9 a.m. to 6 p.m.
That's the way the manager of conferencing wrote up our information.

Hope this works for all of you. I know some of you are staying three nights of Monday 17, Tuesday 18, Wednesday 19 but that one of those days might be a time for structured exchange. So I reserved the room for Tuesday. I fronted the rental. The more who come the better.

Additionally, my home is about one mile, as the crow flies, from the Meadow Wood Courtyard. We will gladly host gatherings on Wednesday, if anyone wants...anything from sit down sessions (15 will comfortably fit in my living room) picnic or just gathering. Because of the proximity to the Meadow Wood, we will also be easily able to transport folks to our home.

EVERYONE: Please register somewhere in Reno and plan to come together! There are lots of other places to stay. If there is even the most remote chance you could come, register and if necessary, cancel before motel/hotel penalities kick in. I'll do a separate post with just the Reno chamber of commerce website and the Meadow Wood Courtyard information. (Roy: could you help? I can't ever figure out how to put a website that can be a direct link...Could you also do a post with that info?) I wish there was a permanent spot for the dates of the meeting. It gets lost with time.
Judy T
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Reno information:
1-800-797-RENO or
rates: $55.00 (down to $49.50 w/AARP and
AAA) or just ask and see! Nicole is handling our group under the name: EAC for Excitotoxin Awareness Coalition. To date: still rooms with microwave and refrigerator. Call now.
some staying nights of
Monday, Sept 17, 2001
Tuesday, Sept 18, 2001
Wednesday, Sept 19, 2001

to date: scheduled all day meeting Tuesday,
September 18 (reserved 9am-6pm)at
Meadow Wood Courtyard, 5851 South Virginia
Street, Reno, in Tahoe B Conference Room
Can bring in own food to meeting room
Wild Oats health food store/deli directly next door to motel.

Numerous other motels/hotels in area...see for further information.
Roy Piwovar
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The hotel's website:

The chamber of commerce website again:
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Is there a computer error? I can't get to "Reno meeting" messages past Feb 21 except through the Tree View, not from topics, last day or last week.
Deb A.
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Anon, I'll ask Mike about it tonight.
Judy, you have done a terrific job for us. THANK YOU! How big of a room will we have? And please tell us the cost, so that we can all help.
I just got word that Shirley Harvey, past NoMSG newsletter editor and board member is coming...a wonderful lady who has served this cause for many years. She is no longer involved with NoMSG, but wants to participate. Also, Kendra Leister, the present editor plans to come, although she may be here just for Tuesday's gathering. Kaye Wanke, formerly of the hotline, will also be there. It will be a reunion of sorts for some of us. Meeting wonderful people over the years in this work is the greatest perk of all. I sure look forward to seeing all of you there!
Deb A.
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I forgot to ask for a response to my inquiry about announcing the meeting in the NoMSG Messenger. The editor contacted me wanting to know if we wanted it posted there. How big do we want this to be this year, and what is our goal for the meeting? Just wanted your thoughts. Any ideas for the wording of such an announcement would be appreciated.
Judy T
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Deb A: Just my personal thoughts; I think this is a meeting/gathering in 2001 for all people interested in excitotoxins to share and get to know each other a bit, to begin the process for the 2002 convention (including others checking out the area, setting dates, getting volunteers for program, etc.), and to establish this grass roots effort as one that will be supportive of all people and groups seeking an added awareness of excitotoxins. To that extent, I think we should make the announcement in the NoMSG newsletter with the idea that this is not an organization, this is a meeting. I do think that someone needs to take charge of the Tuesday all-day meeting agenda...perhaps in one hour sessions with breaks between.
The room holds 20 ($150 for all day 9am-6pm)but if we don't wait too long I can get the one next to it that would handle probably 70 ($300 I recall). How many should come? Well, I'd like to advertise it to the general public in Reno and target nutritionists and some of the wellness type clinics in town. I really think we should 'go for it' as far as attendance with the clear banner that this is a 'grass roots meeting' with opportunities to share information and establish links among us and with the intent of establishing a regularly scheduled conference beginning in 2002 to discuss specifically 'excitotoxins and related concerns' so that all of us interested in the subject know that we can regularly get-together to share information and knowledge for the ultimate benefit of each of us...whether through tackling the large issue of the food industry or the immediate issue of improving our personal quality of life.
Deb A.
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Judy, I think we have to decide if we want a large group this year or one next year. If we invite large numbers and rent an expensive room and only 20 to 30 show up, which can happen, we'll have a BIG bill to foot. I sure wouldn't mind having larger numbers to share this event with, but we need more input from some of the others. I sent Kendra a sample of what could be said in the NoMSG newsletter, using some of your suggestions and ideas, which I thought were right on. Thanks again, Judy. We do have some time to let more people know about this. I can post it on our homepage and see what interest we get. Can we reserve two rooms for a couple weeks and then let one go when we learn more? Just an idea.
Judy T
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Excitotoxin Awareness Coalition: I booked a conference room at the Meadow Wood Courtyard in Reno for Tuesday, September 18, 2001. Check the February 26 postings for more information.

If there is even the most remote possibility that you could attend; book your motel room now. Hope you can make it. This is gonna be and information.
Judy T
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The Excitotoxin Awareness Coalition meeting is schedlued for September 18, 2001, in Reno at the Meadow Wood Courtyard...a full day event that is open to anyone interested in the subject of excitotoxins, free glutamates, aspartame, ... . The Director of the Wellness Center of Carson City Nevada, a city about 35 miles from Reno, is attending a conference in Lodi California soon and wanted to interview me and advertise our meeting to people visiting his booth. Oooh, I told him this was a meeting to, in part, see if we want a true conference in 2002. However, I do think that some sort of structure to the day would be 1 hour or 1 1/2 hour sessions with a theme or title for the session. That way, we could focus on issues of importance to all and get the most of our meeting. I know that most folks will be at the conference building on Monday and we can easily meet at my home (just a short distance away) on Wednesday.

So I guess my plea is this...what kinds of specific discussions would we like to have? I know Deb A would like some time to discuss children and excitotoxins. I would like a session on resources/books/magazines/ that others have found helpful (in fact I'll have my library at my home in case anyone would like to share what I have). Would anyone like a session on an overview (for the 1000th time but I'd still like to hear it again), on just what excitotoxins do when they cross the blood-brain barrier...would someone lead that discussion? Would someone like to know what Taurine and CoQ10 and other supplements and vitamins theoretically or possibly or actually do for us? I know one person who wants to talk about vitamins, standardization and how to check for quality; and I'd like again to hear what works and does not work for a variety of people.

So, Deb A, if we knew there were topics that would be openly discussed (and maybe with a leader or facilitator for some of the sessions) then others would know if they are coming. And, I could give this information to others as they ask me. I think this is all a part of our spread the word, enlarge the circle of those who understand that there is a huge problem affecting many, many people. More people than is imaginable.

Let me know what you think. Everyone.
Deb A.
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Judy, thank you for keeping this topic alive. I'm afraid I have had to put it on a back burner due to unforeseen events called "life". Now I am back home, but one of my sisters came with me and all I have been doing is entertaining her amid attempts to do a garage sale this weekend. Of course this weekend, we are expecting more company! And next week we have to go out of town again and bring back 3 grandchildren! So sorry, but when I get a chance I will add more comments about the Reno meeting. I think we should also spend some time on "survival tactics"...share what we have learned about commercial products that may or may not be safe.....restaurants to avoid or not. I don't want to take too much time talking about any topic that just interests me, such as children and excitotoxins. Personally, I feel that we need time to share and answer questions among ourselves...and I do like the idea of focussing on one topic at a time. We can tell people about it, but I don't know if there will be a lecture geared to educate the visitor that knows absolutely nothing about MSG. I have given such talks, and have spent 3 hours trying to share just the basics. This needs to be a support group meeting that focuses on adding to what we already know, and helping each other survive....just thinking out loud again. We can also talk about a conference for next year if that interests anyone. Then we can line up speakers like Jack Samuels. I like the topics that you have suggested...anyone else? Just jump in any time!!!! :) Thanks again, Judy. I'm sorry I've neglected you and this site lately. I can't wait for things to slow down...Ha Ha!
Carol H
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Before the meeting, I think it would helpful for anyone attending this conference to go through their kitchens and really sit down and come up with a thorough listing of 1. What their food sensitivities are - sufites, MSG, allergies
2. Exactly what they eat - what brand names, manufacturers that helps them cope with these problems
3. What foods give them troubles.
If we could compile all this info into one place from attendees, we could post the results. The result will be so helpful to newly "diagnosed" MSG sensitive people.
Judy T
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Carol H: I absolutely agree. This is a long distance and lots of thought and effort to get together; it would be a shame to waste any opportunities we have to share info. I have lots of this typed up already but I need to type up #2---the exact brand names that work for me. Since I'm driving from just 3 hours away I will bring books I have gathered for perusal. Any other ideas anyone?
Deb A.
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Personally, after a crazy and unusually busy year, I am really looking forward to the pleasant and quiet drive to Reno.... and to meeting, hugging you wonderful people.... and to brainstorming on ways to get the word out more effectively. Let's think about some ways now, so that we can better share what we know with the millions who have yet to make the MSG/aspartame connection.
Judy T
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Deb A: Yep. It's gonna be good.
Judy T
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Deb A: The owner of a Carson City/Minden/Reno area Wellness Practice, who has his own radio talk show once weekly, wants to interview someone about excitotoxins and the possible 2002 Conference (since I told him that the 2001 meeting would probably not be of interest to him). Can I tell him you'll meet with him at your hotel (or my home) sometime between September 17-19 or so? You have enough info and articulate so he could get a few tapes worth of information. He often gives audio tapes to new customers on issues that are of interest to them.
Deb A.
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Hi Judy. I have e mailed my response to you. I'm glad to share information anyone. I'm not sure that the time we have there can be spread so thin. But maybe we can work something out.
Pam Maddigan
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Your meeting sounds like a great idea.
Unfortunately I will not be able to attend, but if you can get it off the ground, next year may be a possibility.
I live on an Island Province in Canada called Newfoundland. It's on the Atlantic side.

Good luck.

Pam Maddigan
Judy T
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Pam: All right! Wouldn't that be terrific?
Candy Berry
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Hello every,

Glad to see that your arrangements for the Reno meeting seem to be steaming ahead.

I just wanted to give you a bit of information.

During this last week (in Australia), I have been doing work experience in a medium-sized motel. Part of this experience was to help with the housekeeping and I would like to warn you about the possible use of chemicals.

In the lifts there were aerosol air fresheners that are on a time release autospray. An MCS sufferer would be better off using the stairs in this instance, hopefully not going to a room on the 50th floor :). There was a warning on the notice board in the housekeeping office about keeping the chemicals away from the mini bars because the chocolate wrappers were being damaged, and after the rooms were cleaned they sprayed an air freshener in the room.

I hope that this information is helpful.

From Candy
Roy Piwovar
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Maybe the hotel can be asked to assign a block of non-smoking rooms and refrain from using pesticides and other chemicals around the date of the meeting.
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Could someone update me on the situation with the Reno meeting? I tried to follow the discussion board but I can't seem to put all the information together in my head.

I know that the main meeting is scheduled for September 18 in the Meadow Wood Courtyard. Is that also where most people staying? Are there rooms reserved? Cost? How soon do you need to know who's coming?
Deb A.
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Carole, you can stay anywhere actually. Judy T. did some early footwork and found one that has a meeting room and is close to Whole Foods. It was suggested that it would be good to reserve a room early since there is some other event going on and prices can go up and rooms do fill up. Just let us know when you decide to come. I expect that this will be a nice sized group...not real big, but we can enjoy our time together and brainstorm and share. I expect at least 12 to 20 people plus a few spouses. But we may be surprised one way or the other. Some may cancel and some may decide to come at the last minute. But I am looking forward to going, either way and no matter how many show up.
Carol H
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"Never doubt that a small group of committed individuals can change the world; indeed it is the only thing that ever has."
Margaret Mead
This meeting is a great first step. In New Jersey we just saved more of our wetlands, and let me tell you, it was quite an impossible feat. A small but determined group started the fight, in an area where millions of people live. Now, instead of building a new mini-city smack in our wetlands, our acting governor wants to have the developers work with buildings already built. Our wetlands are being preserved, our cites are making a huge comeback. But it was lonely at first - just a few "tree-hugger" types like my boyfriend standing in front of the Army Corps of Engineers at the public hearings, and writing letters to the editor that gained them the undying hatred of the developers. Now the period for public comment on development projects can go on for months, they get so much public input. It was a long and hard the battle, and with so few voices at first, but so much has been accomplished. You can read about this in the National Geographic magazine from February - I was on the canoe trip with the NG photographer and those first few activists, and gave the photographer much info and newspaper clippings that I saved of the fight my friends had waged since 1984. They got the story right. Now in New Jersey, the developers may still have all the bucks. However, they no longer have all the power. They must answer to the public. It can be done. No matter how big, how powerful, or how rich the opposition. It can be done. See you all in Reno!
Deb A.
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You go, girls!!!! Yes, we have to keep the cause going. A representative from NoMSG, board member Dream Brower, e mailed to tell me she is going to come. NoMSG needs some input from us, and she wants some ideas and suggestions that can help NoMSG. I told her she could take some time to "pick our brains". I may also have play a video a women produced with Truth In Labeling (Jack Samuels) if we can find a TV and VCR. I'm, afraid we will be pressed for time, so we will see how things go. We definitely need to take time for a question and answer period for those who are new to the MSG "connection" and who may be struggling still. But we must take time to brainstorm as a "small group of committed individuals", as Carol quoted, "that can change the world". We can at least share our ideas for making a "public outcry", as Lucinda has suggested. But then, we have to put our words into action. That is the crux, the challenge....for NoMSG and for any one of us. At least we are taking a good step. We may not have big numbers at this meeting, but there is a lot of heart!
Carol Adams
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Help! I just called the Meadow Wood Courtyard Motel and they don't have the group scheduled. Is the Reno meeting still on?? I would love to attend!
Deb A,
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Judy T. has scheduled the room, but I can't remember the name she gave our group. Yes, it is still on, and some people are staying in other hotels. Read the above posting for more room
availability. I'm sure Judy will fill us in more. I think she has posted her e mail address here, so you may contact her personally.
Carol H
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Is it Excitotoxin Awareness Coalition? EAC?
Judy T
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Excitotoxin Awareness Coalition (EAC) is the name I registered us under. At first they used msg group but I changed it. Yes, they are expecting us and said there were 'quite a few' people calling...but they didn't tell me in numbers what that meant. On Debby's and Mike's main page you can find Reno Meeting information. As you can guess Reno has many places to stay that may be less expensive (and some more expensive) but YES the meeting is on. Oh, Carol, please come.
Judy T
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If you are coming to Reno on September 17, 18, 19 for the EAC meeting:
Mon: Sept 17: 4PM
My husband and I are hosting an informal icebreaker gathering at our home in Reno (about 1.5 miles from the Meadow Wood Courtyard (Super 8 Motel) where some are staying. We don't know anyone coming to the gathering and I know that is the case for some of you. We will shuttle people from the Meadow Wood Courtyard to our home (Debby and Mike will help) and we would ask anyone else with a car to help as well. We will serve fruits, crackers, veggies, juices and host an open bar. Food can be an issue for most of us in the group. For those wanting to go downtown, we will shuttle folks back to the motel, say at 6pm, and we will have our own barbecue hot. So, if anyone wants to bring their own meat, we would be delighted to have an evening gathering. Isn't this weird? Bring your own food and we can eat? I don't know how else to do this. There is no sense in us standing on false niceties though. If I did cook someone might have a reaction and that would be horrible. On the other hand, you might not want to go to a restaurant and would prefer a homecooked meal. Anyway, you don't need to say now whether you're coming or's a long way off. We do offer our refrigerator and washing machine to any person attending the gathering. Hope you can come.
Sept 18, Tuesday: Meadow Wood Courtyard
Meeting room: 9am-6pm scheduled
Sept 19, Wed: nothing scheduled to date
Do you have ideas for Tuesday? Deb has a video which sounds good to me. Think of topics you want addressed. If we had a list of those topics we could use those as a focus for Tuesday.
Deb A.
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Here are some topics to consider:
1) What can we do to promote the truth about excitotoxins?
2) Comments from NoMSG board member, Dreama Brower. NoMSG wants our input and ideas.
3) Question and answer time with a panel consisting of Carol, me, and some former NoMSG board members.
4) Showing of video, if there is time.
5) Sharing of products (safe, unsafe).
6) Discussion of future meetings.
Deb A.
Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2001 - 5:08 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I want to post again that there are $35.00 rooms at the Sands Regency Hotel and Casino in Reno. They are available at that price only if you book and pay online through
I still have no idea of how many people will be attending, but I know I'm especially looking forward to meeting my posting board friends and seeing some of my former NoMSG board member comrades.
Please feel free to comment, add to, change, or criticize any of the ideas for topics I threw out in my last posting. Nothing is written in stone! :)
Julie Peterson
Posted on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 12:50 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I hope you guys plan on giving a full report to those of us who can't come. I am just find out my allergies and because of the timing, can't make it. But after reading what all you guys have written I sooooo excited!!
Posted on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 8:51 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi everyone,

I would love to join you in Reno. I have a son who cannot tolerate MSG and food coloring, they send him into rages. I've been restricting his diet, but I've found MSG is everywhere!
Posted on Sunday, July 29, 2001 - 4:26 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Holly: Absolutely join us! Everyone join us! This is an open meeting for all of us who are affected by excitotoxins. Check the Reno Meeting full tree and also Debbie's Reno meeting on her main page. Just come. We are mostly newcomers with each other, except for our bond on this discussion board.
Judy T
Posted on Monday, August 13, 2001 - 2:38 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Your agenda sounds fine to me, DebA; whatever you decide works for me.
Judy T
Posted on Tuesday, September 04, 2001 - 5:50 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Excitotoxin Awareness Coalition Kickoff:
September 17

4:00 p.m. (3:45 shuttle from Motel 8, 5851 South Virginia Street to Thompson house, provided by Debby and Mike Anglesey and Tony Thompson)

A gathering of new friends
willing to share and prepare
for our health and
to benefit others.

Fresh fruit and vegetables, crackers and chips, milk, water, juices, open bar.

6:00 p.m. (shuttle back to Motel 8 for those not staying for barbeque)

Barbeque: steaks/Contessa shrimp (Costco)
and Breyers vanilla ice cream dessert.

Feel free to bring your snacks, drinks, meat, salads, etc.

*Directions to the Thompson home and telephone number available in the lobby of the Motel 8 or Contact Judy T at .


Tony and I are so pleased to meet everyone coming to Reno. We hope you can come.
Gerry Bush
Posted on Tuesday, September 04, 2001 - 10:54 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I am really looking forward to meeting you all!
Posted on Monday, September 10, 2001 - 3:33 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hello. I just recently discoverd your message boards and they've been a huge help to me and my mother, who suffers increasingly from headaches and chest pain. We've only just begun to make the connection to MSG, but are quickly learning how much there is to know. With the short notice, there's no way we'd be able to make it to Reno, but I'm very intrigued. It's hard to even know where to start. Will there be anyway to get more information from your meeting? I'm slowly trying to check out all the sources you've posted here, but the more info I can the better I'll feel about my mother's health. Thanks!
Deb A.
Posted on Tuesday, September 11, 2001 - 8:34 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Carol, are you near the devastation in New York?
We need to consider the possibility that the Reno meeting may have to be changed or delayed?????

We are in such shock...still shaking.
Carol H
Posted on Tuesday, September 11, 2001 - 4:53 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Deb, My boss, and several coworkers went to the edge of the Palisades three blocks away to see what happened after a coworker told us when the plane hit the first tower. They came back and said they could see the damage to the towers. Shortly after that, I was making a coffee run to the local deli and listening to WPLJ our local music/news station and heard Scott and Todd exclaim that one tower had fallen. I got inside the deli to see it on the TV with many other patrons and workers. We were all looking at each other in total disbelief. I stopped by the cliffs after work but all I could see was smoke over where the towers had been. The NY skyline which I thought was so familiar to me seemed alien. The others looking toward the city were speechless as I was. It's hard to describe just how big those towers were. The images on TV just don't give you a sense of it. I couldn't even imagine the horror of it. They estimate 20,000 victims were in the towers at the time. I am still waiting to find out if my friends are ok.
Gerry Bush
Posted on Tuesday, September 11, 2001 - 5:05 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi everyone,
I too am both shocked and horrified by what happened to our country today. At the moment, my friend and I are in Cancun, Mexico. We have been riveted to the news the entire day as I guess you all have been. We are supposed to return to the US on Thursday, but who knows now. Personally, being from the NY/NJ area I am very concerned for friends and their families. My prayers are with them.
Posted on Saturday, September 15, 2001 - 8:27 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hello Everyone,

I have not been able to visit the board since Tuesday. I work one city block east of the World Trade Center. After leaving the building at 10:00 at the direction of the police I just went NE until I could no longer walk. It took several hours and along the way I watched television news. The rumors on the street were very frightening. I was headed towards the Empire State building and someone said that would be bombed also.

I finally made my way home to the Bronx and am most thankful. The loss is tragic for everyone. Today is really the first day I felt that I could pull myself together.

People were eating pizza about two miles from the site and I was starving. Since I was so depressed I was tempted to eat some but just drank water.

I sure did miss visiting this board!
Posted on Sunday, September 16, 2001 - 9:34 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

AMH - I am sure everyone will join me in saying thank God you are safe! Be gentle with yourself. Wishing you, the rest of the folks at home and the folks at the Reno conference with peace, safety, and strength.
Judy T
Posted on Sunday, September 16, 2001 - 3:03 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

AMH: Your story of walking through New York has been recounted many times here. How terrifying a day, how sad that you could not even taste a pizza at the end of the journey. Two extraordinarily sad tales actually. The one evil and immediate, the other also an evil.
Judy T
Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2001 - 7:26 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Debby and Mike, Carol H, Carol Adams made it to Reno as did Kay W and Shirley of past NoMSG. Also Kendra Liestra, writer of the current NoMSG newsletter. Hoteru called to wish us well. Gerry Bush tried desperately to get here but is stuck in Cancun. Others cancelled because of our national tragedy.

We got to business immediately and hopefully today we'll come to definitive and clear ways to proceed (that's my hope, anyway). Thank you for all your well wishes.

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