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AdaLovelace
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Posted on Friday, July 22, 2011 - 10:13 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have been crying my eyes out tonight reading some of the threads on this board.

So about a year ago I decided to cut out really obvious things--anything that blatantly said "monosodium glutamate" on the ingredients. However I've been living in denial, refusing to believe that anything at Whole Foods or Trader Joe's could contain MSG--I mean they say clearly that they DON'T! I have a hard time looking past lies as I feel I always give people the benefit of the doubt.

Anyway, one week ago I finally got real. I cut out everything that I know of that could possibly contain free glutamate. I have felt fewer hunger spikes. However today I have felt what I believe to be serious withdrawal symptoms. I feel what someone else on this board has described as "itchy, crawly feeling in my skin", anxiety, increased heartbeat, fear, tingling in my body, etc. I have never really felt this way aside from a few months ago when I eliminated caffeine, however this feeling is more intense.

Can anyone please reassure me and just let me know that I am experiencing a withdrawal and will be OK? I'm 26 years old, and I've never felt anything like this in my life. I used to drink diet soda several years ago, but luckily that addiction only lasted one year. (I tapered off extremely gradually so I don't think I had any kind of withdrawals at all, in fact I was unaware that withdrawals even existed!) I put on so much weight over the course of a few MONTHS, IMMEDIATELY after I started ingesting aspartame. My food cravings (sugar, carbs) were off the chart. After I discontinued use of ALL fake sugar, I dropped probably 30 pounds. Literally over the course of a few months. I'm now 5'5" and 107 lbs, so I wonder if my frame could cause me to be even more sensitive to exitotoxins.

So anyway, a week ago I finally got real, cut out all sauces such as ketchup, soy sauce, etc, etc, McDonalds, all fast food, all packaged food. I've been surviving on eggs, dry cereal, salmon cooked with lemon, oil, and butter only, Angus hamburgers (Trader Joe's with nothing else added) with pickapeppa sauce (ingredients: tomatoes, onions, sugar, cane vinegar, mangoes, raisins, garlic, salt, peppers, thyme, and cloves--if this stuff really only contains what it claims to it may be too good to be true for steaks and burgers), salad with canned tuna (no additives besides salt) and Annie's organic red wine and olive oil vinaigrette (Extra Virgin Olive Oil, Water, Soy Oil, Red Wine Vinegar, Salt, Onions, Celery Seed, Garlic, Grape Juice Concentrate, Black Pepper). I also snack on nuts, dried fruit, and fresh fruit. I feel like a rabbit as I just graze throughout the day and never really eat a meal. I may lose even more weight, but I never go hungry.

So... someone please tell me that I'm not crazy, that this weird creepy sensation inside my skin is NORMAL and will go away. In retrospect while I have strived to eat healthy in the past, I know this is the first time in my life that I've truly quit cold turkey. Any reassuring words are WELCOME! I can't talk to my friends, family, or husband about this. My mom is the only one that is coming to understand the dangers of exitotoxins.

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THANK YOU! :-)
Danielle

p.s. I created a website that helps identify MSG. It's available at www.msgfind.com.
Roy Piwovar
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Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2011 - 3:07 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Danielle,

Your diet sounds overly restrictive. Are you lactose intolerant? If not, where are the dairy products? No green vegetables? You're probably missing nutrients. I'd try adding more variety and see if you feel better.
evelyn
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Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2011 - 4:02 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Though I did not experience symptoms like you describe, I agree with Roy - More Variety!
My rule of thumb is, 'If god didn't make it, I don't eat it'. Best are locally grown and if not practical, organic or the best fresh foods your budget allows. Grass fed beef, minimally processed poultry, veggies and salads, fruits and nuts and lastly grains and dairy (not all and sparingly). I would skip the soy, sauces, and tuna - have yet to find one that is not really in broth, though it says 'water' on the label - when did that happen, btw? (Anyone here know a safe brand?) If you'll pardon my beliefs, God has provided an abundance of healthy, delicious, and convenient foods. I do my best to avoid all processed foods, including bread, cheese and pasta. Homemade yogurt is easy, butter, olive oil, salt and pepper to flavor your raw and cooked foods. Convenience foods: Eggs, fruit, peanut butter sandwich (if you can find a safe bread - the one safe brand I found recently added dough conditioners :-( - Looking for suggestions there too, if anyone has a good bread.) Which reminds me, to remind you: Read Labels - they are constantly changing.
Deb A.
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Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2011 - 10:36 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are all the ingredients in the Annie's dressing organic? I avoid all soy products..found that even soybean oil and lecithin contain glutamate residues. Are the nuts and dried fruit organic? If not, nuts are now being sprayed with not only pesticides that contain free glutamate, but some are sprayed with preservatives that many of us react to. Avoid salted nuts, especially. They are often sprayed with hydrolyzed protein that allows the salt to adhere to the nut. If after a couple more weeks you are still having these reactions, it may be more than withdrawal. Try smoothies made with fresh or frozen fruits...add some spinach or kale for more nutrients. Are you taking any supplements or meds?
AdaLovelace
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Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2011 - 1:31 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi everyone. Thanks for the responses. :-) The reason I feel that I may be experiencing a withdrawal is because I have discontinued processed foods after living on them my whole life. I've NEVER EVER gotten an MSG "reaction" (anxiety) in my life (from eating McDonalds, Top Ramen, or restaurant food, etc). I just felt tired all the time and was in an overall state of numbness I suppose. I was probably just eating a small, steady stream of MSG throughout the day. There were times when I know I would consume more than usual, but it never made me feel bad, per se. However I feel that the withdrawal is a different story.

Deb, I am going to discontinue use of soy oil. I was using it on my face and body as well (from Trader Joe's--the kind mixed with vitamin E oil... but I guess I'll return it).

Roy, I'm trying to avoid dairy because I'm unclear as to whether "enzymes" in cheese is okay or not? Plus all the milk in my house is "ultra pasteurized" and every yogurt I've found contains "natural flavors."
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The supplements I take are:
-Ultimate Flora probiotics from Renew Life (veggie caps made from veggie fiber and water) (these are great, in fact they miraculously cut all of my sugar and carb cravings)

-Source Naturals Omega EPA fish oil (come in a gelatin capsule :| I am going to switch over to liquid fish oil, because I adore it, unless anyone knows of fish oil that comes in a veggie cap)

-New Chapter Organics Perfect Prenatal vitamins (I swear by these... nothing in here sounds artificial, they are $$$ but worth every penny)

-organic evening primrose oil by Deva (vegan capsules)

-Source Naturals Magnesium Malate (contains maltic acid, stearic acid, acaria gum, modified cellulose gum, collodial silicon dioxide, and magnesium stearate)

-Bluebonnet Age-Less Skin Formula (vitamin c ester, alpha lipoic acid, dmae with kosher veggie cap and magnesium stearate, my doctor highly recommended alpha lipoic acid to me, saying that it is one of the few antioxidants that can breach the blood-brain barrier)

-Solgar taurine (with vegetable cellulose, microsytalline, cellulose, vegetable stearic acid)

-Trader Joe's coq10 (with vitamin c as ascorbyl palmite and gelatin :|)

-Trader Joe's b-12 (with lactose and acacia gum--these are sublingual tablets)

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To be honest I have cut back on all these supplements to see how my body will react. My doctor told me that while antioxidants are amazing, when one is undergoing a healing reaction, it is wise to restrict antioxidants temporarily, so I've reduced everything by 50%, and in the past week I'm barely taking any at all to see how my body reacts.

I've read on these forums about the benefits of powdered supplements... so if people think it is truly advantageous, I may purchase some powdered forms of taurine and magnesium. Just not sure how I'm going to ingest that.

Thanks for all the support guys. :-)
AdaLovelace
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Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2011 - 10:05 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I bought some pure cod liver oil today in its liquid form with no flavor. I took it today with tangerine juice and to my surprise I could not taste a thing! I'm going to return my huge bottles of fish oil in gelatin capsules, and I'm going to find a veggie cap form of coq10.

My main question is what form of magnesium should I be taking? I would prefer to take a non-powdered version, but I'm not opposed to powdered if that is truly the best. The one I'm taking now is Source Naturals Magnesium Malate (contains maltic acid, stearic acid, acaria gum, modified cellulose gum, collodial silicon dioxide, and magnesium stearate)

What do you guys think? Should I return it? Is there a better brand?

Also... on another note... can someone please recommend a great organic cat food without MSG? I bought my cats this really expensive holistic looking brand, but one of the top ingredients is "natural chicken flavor."

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I am in much better spirits today. I made some chili with grass fed beef and this time I didn't use canned tomatoes. I'm so proud of myself. :-)
Di
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Posted on Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 8:49 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

AdaLovelace, You said, "The reason I feel that I may be experiencing a withdrawal is because I have discontinued processed foods after living on them my whole life." However, all the products in cans, bottles, etc are processed. Try to go fresh, organic as much as possible, like Deb says, non-organic foods can be heavily sprayed with toxins. Supplements can also contain many unwanted toxins, as they are processed as well. It would be good to try the ones Deb A. suggests, as they are tried and true (and safe for many of us). If I ingest vinegar for dinner I get a reaction and don't sleep well, so I have switched to lemons instead for making my own salad dressings. And Roy's suggestion is right on, try to add variety - lots of fresh (OG if possible) fruits and veggies. Beware of the non-organic ones that are on the "dirty dozen" list.

My cats have horrible food allergies so I mix Castor & Pollux "Organix" canned cat food with a little dry food. There are several varieties. The ingredients are not perfect, but the cats are tolerating it well - it's the best I've found so far. It's pricey but goes farther because there is less moisture than other canned cat foods. The minute I deviate and give them some other canned food they both start biting, scratching, licking again.
Jerry Story
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Posted on Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 1:35 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

About supplements:

The more I learn about supplements, the more I lean toward the conclusion that foods are a better way to get nutrients.

There are several possible problems with supplements.

1. Supplements tend to have nutrients in concentrated form. The body has difficulty using nutrients in concentrated form efficiently.

2. Supplements tend to have nutrients in isolated form, out of context with other nutrients. The body uses nutrients together with other nutrients. One example is beta carotene tablets. (A silly idea because it is so easy to get your carotenes from foods but ignore that for now.) Taking beta carotene tablets can cause an imbalance with other carotenes such as alpha carotene and gamma carotene and probably a whole bunch of other things. In one study, beta carotene (taken out of context with other nutrients) increased the chance of getting lung cancer.

3. Supplements sometimes have nutrients in a form that the body has difficulty using. For example the most popular form of B12 supplement is cyanocobalamin. The cobalamin part is the B12 part and it is always attached to something. CyanoB12 in the best case scenario is used so inefficiently that it is of no therapeutic value. In the worst case scenario, it can cause a deficiency of B12. MethylB12 is better. Another example is calcium tablets. These are usually made from rocks. The body does not use rocks very well; it prefers foods.

4. Most supplements taste bad. That by itself is a strike against them. But besides that, when something tastes bad, I suspect that the reason why it tastes bad is that it is bad. Is that not what our sense of taste is for? To tell us whether something is good or bad for us?

I have a grinder (really a juicer but I use it as a grinder), the Omega 8003. I get the juice and the pulp together. One of my favorite kind of meals is 'veggie mix'. I run lettuce, purple cabbage, beets, tomatoes, broccoli, cauliflower, spinach, etc. thru it. I run pumpkin seeds and Brazil nuts, etc. adding to the mix. What I get is something that looks like someone's vomit and it tastes delicious and it produces excellent hunger satisfaction. I believe in most cases this is a much better way to get nutrients than supplements. The nutrients are not too concentrated, are in context with other nutrients, are in a form that the body can use, and the food tastes better than the supplements.
AdaLovelace
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Posted on Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 4:12 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks for the recommendations. I am sure that the industry of supplements is the same as all of the industries in our the capitalist word: greedy. I have to keep that in mind when I go into Vitamin Shoppe and see nothing but M$G and a$partame. I'll definitely check out meythylb12 and start getting more of my nutrients from real foods. Because I used to eat a lot of processed foods, I think taking vitamins and supplements served me at the time. But I am moving past that stage to where I can get what I need from my food.

Di--thanks for the comments. I should have said that it's the first time in my life when I'm truly trying to eliminate MSG instead of saying that I've eliminated all processed foods. I do know that I am feeling a healing reaction, even if I'm not 100% perfect. Check out this:
http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/herxheimer.html
I know this because it's been the single most dramatic change that I've made for the better in my diet in my life. :-) I still have a lot to learn and I will be on these message boards reading everyone's findings. I also have Deb's book that I will read soon. :-) Thanks for all the love and support.
Di
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Posted on Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 4:44 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jerry, Well said, I will have to look into the Omega 8003. Where did you buy it?

AdaLovelace, Congratulations on making the dramatic change in your diet and life. You will never be sorry about this decision.
EmilyS
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Posted on Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 6:18 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Danielle,
I just wanted to say hello and welcome you to the forum. I agree with everyone else, add more to your diet and try to drop your supplements. Every supplement you listed would make me pretty sick within a few days.

My diet changes were a slow and steady process over a few years so I never had withdrawals. I hope you get feeling better soon.

I don't think body frame has anything to do with it but I know that the more my husband and I avoid excitotoxins, the more sensitive we are to them. I'm 5,2" and 100lbs but I don't think me being thin causes me to be more sensitive.

For dairy products, does a store near you carry Brown Cow plain yogurt? This variety is safe for me. Also, Daisy sour cream you should be able to find at most stores.

Here is a link to some of the brands of products I eat to give you a few other ideas: http://savoryseasonings.blogspot.com/2009/06/look-in-my-pantry.html

Again, welcome to the forum. I hope you feel welcome here and find some answers to your questions. Emily
AdaLovelace
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Posted on Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 7:27 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Emily, thank you so much. I will try Brown Cow! Your blog is amazing!! This is just what I needed. To hear a list of "safe" items from someone that is more sensitive than I am is REALLY soothing and reassuring.

I am truly shocked to hear everything about supplements... but like I said I think they got me through all the fast food years and now it's time to move on!
Jerry Story
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Posted on Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 11:11 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

About Omega 8003:

It's a single auger juicer. There is nothing special about it; there are lots of other brands that are probably just as good.

The centrifugal juicers are too noisy. I had one and got rid of it. And it didn't let the pulp out. And it didn't grind as well as the Omega 8003.

The double auger juicers are probably more efficient than the single auger juicers in extracting juice (more juice) but that is not important to me because I want the juice and the pulp both. The double auger juicers probably have more parts to clean.

I got an Omega 8003 because Dr. Mercola recommended it. It's probably as good as any for my purpose and better than some. You can get a huge amount of information about juicers (reviews, pros and cons, comparisons, what to look for in a juicer) by surfing the net.
Di
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Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 4:39 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jerry, Thanks. I've never bought or looked into a juicer because I thought that was all they did and I didn't want the pulp left behind. It's always good to get a recommendation, so I will see if I can find the 8003.
Roy Piwovar
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Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 6:14 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

One source for the 8003 juicer:

http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=omega+8003+juicer&tag=googhydr-20&index=aps&hvadid=3093276825&ref=pd_sl_1ls2s77len_b
Di
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Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2011 - 4:35 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Roy, Thanks, I'll look into it.
Deb A.
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Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2011 - 7:55 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I was watching the Martha Stewart show a couple days ago, and she had a guest on that operated a popular juice bar. The Breval, or Brevil..sp?? was recommended. Don't know much about juicing yet, but after watching the movie, Fat, Sick and Almost Dead, I sure want to.
Di
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Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2011 - 10:17 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I was always against juicing, but if I can buy one that I can incorporate the pulp with the juice, that would be optimal.
Jerry Story
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Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2011 - 1:42 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A few little details about the Omega 8003:

The Omega 8003 has 2 spouts, 1 for juice, 1 for pulp. It uses 2 types of cones, the screen cone and the blank cone. With the blank cone, almost all the juice comes out with the pulp. I use a large dish that fits under both spouts. The screen cone has more chance of being damaged, because the screen can get damaged. The screen cone probably makes a worse mess to clean, on the outside of the cone. I prefer the blank cone.

Be careful grinding frozen stuff, like frozen peas. That will stop the motor and then you gotta take the juicer apart and clean the mess. The peas gotta be at least half thawed.

Be careful grinding nuts and seeds. Put in a small amount at a time or the motor will stop.

Don't try chick peas. Once in a while there is a hard one, hard like a rock. The Omega 8000 will grind almost anything but it won't grind rocks. I was grinding chick peas and the motor stopped and the cone broke (powerful motor). Since then I got a bunch of spare cones.

There are a bunch of attachments to the pulp spout. They don't serve any useful purpose and you are better without them. They get in the way of the pulp coming out and are an extra part to clean.

I usually run a cucumber thru at the end so the grinder self-cleans; it saves some work cleaning it.
Di
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Posted on Wednesday, July 27, 2011 - 5:30 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jerry, Thanks a lot for the tips. I did watch the little video on their website, but of course they didn't go into stuff like you mention. If you don't run a cucumber thru how much work is it to clean?
Deb A.
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Posted on Wednesday, July 27, 2011 - 10:39 am:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The machine I saw was by Breville. They sell all kinds and one is much like the one Jerry has, as far as what it can do. Sorry..spelled it wrong originally. The movie I mentioned is called, Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead. The website is called the same and you can see the film there, I believe. Netflix offers it, too. But I warn you, you'll want to run out and buy a juicer! :-)
EmilyS
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Posted on Wednesday, July 27, 2011 - 12:28 pm:   Delete PostPrint Post   Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Based on Jerry's recommendation, I purchased the Omega 8003 4 1/2 years ago and I've been very pleased with it. We don't use it daily but when I do use it, it works great.

It comes with a toothbrush that makes it really easy to clean (even if you don't run a cucumber through at the end).

I don't run any citrus fruits through the Omega. For those I bought an attachment for my Bosch mixer that makes it really easy to juice a big bag of lemons or limes.
Di
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EmilyS, Thanks, that's good to know someone else gives it the thumbs up and that it's easy to clean.

Deb A., Thanks. I will have to watch the film, then I'm sure order a juicer.
Stacey
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I have a Breville Juice Fountain Elite and love it. Very easy to clean but you have to drink the juice right away as it's not the best for quality juice due to the RPM's and oxidation plus you can't juice leafy greens or wheatgrass. Not a problem for me as I blend my greens with smoothies. I want a green star one of these days. Discountjuicers has lots of info/videos on choosing the right juicer for you needs.
Jerry Story
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Battle of the juicers.

"Green Star Elite GSE-5000 vs Omega 8005 Juicing Cucumbers and Apples"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIsxPcLfSI8&

I mix the juice and the pulp so I don't care how dry the pulp is.
Jerry Story
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Another 1 on 1 juice off.

"Samson 9005 vs Omega 8006 Juice off Comparison"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTxoB7-Isls&
Stacey
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Thanks a lot Jerry :*) You just sold me on the Omega. My memory was from 3 years ago on the Green Star... when I was researching the Breville... Now I will be scoping the cheapest price for months. Sadly I'm a obsessive bargain shopper which does pay off, only paid 75.00 for a brand new Breville. Do you happen to know anything about 1940's mixers? LOL, I'm shopping around for an old Sunbeam plus want an old an old Bosch or Kitchen Aid. Already bought an old 1940's Waring blender that I love... Very strong blender and will blow todays typical expensive blenders away. The old stuff as far as blenders and mixers go are much better than the crap they sell today. Not sure about Vitamix or Blendtec blenders as far as performance but the old stuff is built like tank and will out last me. Love vintage toasters, blenders and stand mixers :-)
Di
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Stacey, It's funny you love small vintage appliances too. I have had 7 toasters in the past, all of which didn't work worth a darn. Then when my mother passed away I inherited her very old toaster and it's fabulous. Built very well and toasts perfectly. They sure don't built 'em like they used to.
Stacey
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Yelp, the vintage stuff is great. I've been eyeing the toasters too. I can still remember my great aunts toaster. The vintage stuff is much better than the crap imported now days and you can find appliances that were never/hardly used like blender I have (it looks like it just came out of the box). Beautiful chrome! Check out the old irons and you would not believe how cool the old lawn sprinklers are, LOL. Do you ever visit etsy.com? I love that site. Lots of vintage and handmade stuff… I almost fell over today. My girlfriend and I were shopping in Old Town Alexandria, Virginia and I actually saw a new/cool windbreaker/light weight jacket made in the USA. I got all excited loudly exclaiming “OMG, look Barb it’s made in the US”.
Stacey
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Laughing, thinking about the fact I prefer the old vintage stuff made in USA and wish we still made things in the USA but me no want food from USA :-)
EmilyS
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Hi Stacey, I don't know anything about vintage Bosch mixers but the Bosch I purchased a few years ago has been an amazing work horse. I burned out 6 KitchenAid mixers before I switched to a Bosch. It's been a great investment. I hope you find something that works out for you!
Stacey
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Thanks Emily, I've heard great things about Bosch. A German mixer and a new Japanese knife will be be my exception :-) My kitchen is almost complete. I bought a beautiful handmade cutting board and if anyone is looking for quality visit theboardsmith.com He does beautiful work...
Annie
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AdaLovelace, I went through a HUGE withdrawal when I cut out all additives. I was sick for at least 2 months. I also read what you did about "getting worse before you get better" and it totally described what I was going through! It was not fun going through it, but I was much better afterward! Well, afterward, that was when I would get REALLY strong reactions if I ever ate something wrong...worse reactions than I ever had before. My body was more sensitive. Now I've been MSG free for over a year and my body has healed up and my reactions aren't as bad...but it also might be that I live in Korea and they just don't use very many additives over here...and the ones they DO use aren't as insanely bad as in the US...
AdaLovelace
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Thank you Annie. I just saw this. That helps put my mind at ease. Your massive withdrawal reaction sounds more like mine--more severe than most people's on this message board. Most people seemed to just start getting better slowly from the time that they stopped eating the poisons. I guess we're all different. Mine lasted from July-November. Now it's January and I'm feeling so much better!!! I can see better... it's hard to explain but it's like I'm seeing a 3D world now instead of a 2D one. ;) I also cut out things such as fluoride that just don't serve me. Thanks again!!! xoxo
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Annie and AdaLovelace, I read many articles that explain that sometimes it's the body's reaction to the detoxication process. You become so sick because the body is trying to get rid of the "junk" that it received for so long. In my case, I guess I was lucky, I was just feeling SOOO much better and better avoiding the "thing".
Unfortunately for me today, I had to eat in a food court and accidentally ate something that contained msg. I had not eaten out since a very very long time and NEVER had a headache since that time and today, BOOM! the same terrible headache I used to have after eating anything with msg in it. I took medication, but I know I will have to put up with the being sick and vomitting tonight despite the medication. I was foolish to not be more cautious. Oh, and the bizarre almost palpitations from the nauseous feeling. Hopefully, it won't get worst.
Deb A.
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Sorry to hear that, Jaye. I hope you are feeling better today. Those food courts can be dangerous, for sure!
AdaLovelace
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Eating out sucks. It sucks because it's such a social event. Whenever I go out I jut get a salad with leaves only, fresh veggies, and oil and vinegar on the side. Boring! Everyone asks me if my food is good and I say "yeah it's great! I wasn't too hungry anyway!" But really I'm starving. Then I come home and eat. Oh well, it's the price I'm willing to pay for health.

I like going out for breakfast, though, if my friends want me to. I can just get an omelette made with fresh eggs (no batter) and fresh veggies. More places need to serve breakfast 24/7.
evelyn
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You'll get used to it and you won't even care! If you're not allergic, add nuts to your salad to help curb your hunger. Almonds, walnuts - and avacado and olive oil. A little fat, a few extra calories - helps me!
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Yeah sorry I sounded kinda negative just then!!! I need to stay positive and realized how lucky I am. ;)
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I eat a little something before I go out with friends and bring along my own dressing in my purse.
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One of my favorite things to eat out if I'm not familiar with the restaurant is steamed veggies. I bring butter and I've been pleasantly surprised several times. It's best to explain that we have terrible "allergies to many foods" and this gets their ear. They are very accommodating if they think you might get ill in their restaurant. Ironically, I also do well ordering egg foo yung at Chinese restaurants, explaining that ALL the eggs and veggies must be fresh, not canned (like mushrooms), and asking them to not add any seasoning, soy sauce, even salt and pepper....nothing. I salt and pepper it myself. First I taste it and if it is real salty already, then I send it back.
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Don't sweat it, Ada :-) It can be an annoying inconvenience - we all get tired of it at times. But like you said - we ARE the lucky ones. I was one of those people who loved to eat. Now it's easier to be an eat to live type and the benefits of a healthier weight are nice too!!
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Egg foo yung sounds great! That is a good idea because I love omelettes.

So far I've been to two Thai restaurants... at one of them I got steamed rice with steamed veggies. I do the same thing--I ask for no salt or pepper or anything. I always order extra lemons wherever I go so I can squeeze them on my food and add my own salt and pepper. ;)

I went to a different Thai restaurant with a very limited menu. I decided to order boiled chicken with boiled drunken noodles. Who knows what is in those noodles but I took my chances and ordered it with oil only. Nothing added. It was good when I put lots of salt, pepper, and lemon on it. :-)

My other adventure was at a Mexican restaurant. I got Mexican style eggs with fresh veggies and it was fantastic. I watched them make fresh guacamole at my table and it was some of the best I've ever had. I ate some fresh flour tortillas with it and felt fine. :-)

I'm looking for more creative ideas for restaurant orders...
AdaLovelace
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Oh! Can anyone tell me what they order at a sushi restaurant?? :-)
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Ada, if you're trying to avoid glutamate I'd avoid anything wrapped in seaweed, with soy based or seasoned sauces, imitation crabmeat, or anything where you don't know the ingredients.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sushi
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Thanks. I've been to a couple of sushi places since I went MSG free. Both times I just got a few pieces of sashimi and squeezed fresh lemon on it. It was delicious and healthy but not very filling. I know the rice used in sushi contains added ingredients, but do you guys think that steamed rice from a sushi bar in a cup would be the same as "sushi rice" with all the stuff added?
evelyn
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Sashimi! nada mas
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Ok Evelyn. That's kind of what I thought. Do you think the rice is problematic... like if you just order a side of plain rice?
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Hi, sorry Deb for I did not answer before. Yes, I was feeling much better the next day. Got really sick before though. After lunch, I had to take the rest of the day off work.
All, I like your nice postings on what healthy foods can be eaten out.
In my experience, I never had any problem with the rice in sushis. I also did not know there are additives in sushi rice. I thought it's only the type of rice that's different (sticky instead of basmati or other). Perhaps it depends on the restaurant or bar that is preparing the rice...
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Ada - I would always ask, because you never know what different places might put in their rice. Supposed to be vinegar, sugar and salt. I don't eat vinegar myself. Can't remember why anymore :-)
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So this is just my experience so take it with a grain of salt. I have two comments on the "withdrawal" symptoms.

One is that when you cut out something that your body has been completely on the defensive about, for quite a long time your reaction to those things often will get more and more sensitive, because the body somehow "let's down it's walls" in relief. I don't know the technical reasons why this happens but I've talked to many health practitioners that have seen that also.

Second, and this is my suspicion for you Ada, is that when you cut out the glutamate and start taking supplements, you are probably increasing methylation, which will inevitably cause detoxification -- not just of glutamates but all kinds of stuff, including aluminum (one of the first heavy metals to be excreted). Unfortunately, in my experience the body's detox system doesn't get healed all at once, so you could be pulling toxins into the bloodstream and then not able to excrete them quickly. And blood levels of aluminum and other things will also make FGA reactions much worse (watch out for that baking powder), compounding the effect I mentioned above.

My son has been off of glutamates for a couple years now and we are starting into some supplements that increase detox, like Grape Seed Extract. We are having to go *very* slowly. Last week I added 1/10 of a capsule of GSE to each of his taurine capsules, and this week I added 1/7th. So my advice with supplements is do a web search on whether they improve detox, and if so, start with "a sprinkle" until symptoms subside, and if you can't tolerate even that, stick with supplements that are only supporting the glutamate/gaba balance or other symptoms.

And as I tell everyone, keep a log!! if you are using supplements. Later down this journey it can be very helpful to look back and say, "yup, I reacted badly every time I tried...."

Lisa
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Not all brands of baking powder contain aluminum. Some use calcium compounds instead. In the link below are listed the ingredients of some major brands.

http://whatscookingamerica.net/Q-A/BakingPowder.htm
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Sorry, Roy, I wasn't clear. You are correct, many baking powders don't have aluminum (I use Rumford Aluminum free), but I see it on a lot of labels still.
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LisaS, thanks for the message. This post was made half a year ago, and since then I have discontinued ALL supplements. In fact the only pill I put in my mouth is some ibuprofen (with the coating washed off) if I have period cramps. ;) And I avoid baking powder.

What I've found that has helped me is spending time in the sauna. The skin is a fabulous organ for detoxification. I go several times a week. A very welcome side effect is that it's so relaxing at the same time that my body is doing its hard work of getting everything out that I don't need. :-) I also get massages to flush out toxins. Then I take baths with one cup of apple cider vinegar. It's also supposed to aid in detoxification. I now feel great! The hardest part is over. Anything at this point is just maintenance and tweaking. I'm off dairy completely and I find that I can breathe better than I have in my entire life. How beautiful!

THANK EVERYONE on this board so much. This has been the best resource for me. I find so much comfort here. <3

I guess the next step at this point is to get better at cooking and perhaps even look into buying organic clothing and just try to live a more organic lifestyle overall.

I do feel a bit off today. I try to avoid restaurant foods. I had an egg white omelette at the Belagio in Las Vegas. I'm assuming they used an egg substitute instead of fresh egg whites. (I have had good luck in the past eating omelettes at restaurants.) I feel a bit irritable and it's probably MSG. I looked up the ingredients of Egg Beaters--something they possibly could have used. Here's what I found:

Egg Whites, Less than 1%: Natural Flavor, Color (Includes Beta Carotene), Spices, Salt, Onion Powder, Vegetable Gums (Xanthan Gum, Guar Gum), Maltodextrin. Vitamins and Minerals: Calcium Sulfate, Iron (Ferric Phosphate), Vitamin E (Alpha Tocopherol Acetate), Zinc Sulfate, Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin B12, Vitamin B2 (Riboflavin), Vitamin B1 (Thiamine Mononitrate), Vitamin B6 (Pyridoxine Hydrochloride), Folic Acid, Biotin, Vitamin D3

No doubt they probably used something such as that. Just a gentle reminder to myself to eat at home. And to always double check that fresh whole eggs are used.
Deb A.
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Good advice..hope you feel better soon!
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Wow, I had no idea on the eggbeaters -- good to know.

I find grill seasonings can be a problem too in so many restaurants, so I imagine that they could be in eggs if you didn't tell them otherwise.
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I gave up trying to eat safely in a restaurant. I take my food with me all the time and I am happy with that. My friends know how much my life and health have improved and are wholeheartedly behind me. I found that you are right eating is such a social thing, so I concentrate on that. It is the people I am with not the food I am eating that is important. When the waitress comes to get orders, I say," I have serious food allergies so I will just need a plate please, I have my food" I will still tip, of course, for your service. Then flash a big smile and say Thank you so much for understanding. I found that when it did not bother me, it did not bother my friends. Some of you may remember me I used to post back in 2010. I started on the no msg path 5 and one half years ago. My husband kept a calender for me of the food I ate for 3 and a half years, up until he died. You were all so supportive of me then and I do tune in and keep up with the msg news. I am doing very well in health and spirit now. I am, in fact, going to do a lecture at our local Universtiy to a group known as OLLI, it is Osher Lifelong Learning Institute.It is available at higher learning institutes in at least 43 states at last count. It is for people 50 and older. I love it. They have asked me to do two presentations about my story with msg and I will be directing people to this website, msgtruth.org and the truthinlabeling site as well. I am quite excited about sharing this information. I have told Deb about this and she has graciously allowed me to share some of the things that are on this site and sent a lovely email to me saying she has thought about me since last I wrote and wondered how I was doing. Well I am doing pretty darned good, now. I realized I could not lose my wonderful husband and lose myself as well. My children and grand children can't lose their Dad, their Pepiere and their Mom and Nana too. So here I am once again. Ali, who posts here often and I have become great friends. I offered to email her one on one when she was trying to help her children overcome the ravages of msg poisoning. I started out to help her but she has been by my side through this whole ordeal and she has helped me far more than I have helped her. I did not know that she lived in Ireland when we started this journey together. Thank you so much Ali, you and your family are very dear to me. Deb suggested that I drop by the site to say hello. I have been following it somewhat and the kind words of so many of you at the loss of my husband almost two years ago, was great consolation to me, thank you all. So now on to a new chapter, where I am hoping to help many others learn of the dangers of msg and how to avoid it. I must add that Carol from msgtruth.org has also given me permission to use some of her information. The generosity of Carol and Deb speaks clearly of where there mind and heart are in trying to help people with MSG issues, they just want to help in any way that they can. Thank You. Much Love to all of you and especially to Mike, Deb and Carol for all they do for all of us. God Bless you. Mariann
Deb A.
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Thank you so much for visiting us here once again, Mariann. We have missed you, but now know you are better and are doing some really amazing things. We need more people like you who are willing to get involved with others in the community, and to help them learn about the devastating effects of MSG. You go, girl!! A BIG HUG TO YOU.
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Hey, Mariann, so nice to see your name up on the chat board !! Welcome back!! And for the record you helped me more than you will ever know! :-)
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Mariann, I love that you bring your own food to restaurants. What I find is that some of my closest friends feel threatened by my new lifestyle. They think I'm judging them, and they don't want to look critically at what they're putting into their own bodies. Of course I keep my mouth shut 99% of the time, unless someone asks for advice. There's no use in sharing your story with people that don't want to hear it--they will just lash out.

Anyway, your post has given me some newfound confidence to live my life the way I need to without being codependent about what other people think! My health depends on it, and if people think I'm weird for just ordering a bland salad at dinner then I suppose that's not my problem. ;) I think most people in my life have been taken aback since the change was so dramatic (going from eating out every day to eating out never). However as I get older, I think it will be easier for people to wrap their brains around my new lifestyle. :-)

When you guys eat out, do you drink the tap water they serve? Or do you try and avoid any restaurant water?
Mariann
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AdaLovelace, I am so proud of you for finding your voice. I do drink the tap water, I do not trust the bottled that they might use because many have additives in them. So I take my chances with the tap and have done well. I always tell them no lemon please. I had the hardest time remembering to say that. I only use organic veg. and fruits. I am so pleased if I helped you in any way. I have gained my health and in turn my life back at this sight. I really "arrived" when I realized it is the people that are important to me, not the food I put in my mouth. That is gone in no time, literally. The people are my social gift to myself. Do not worry, if you are having fun, they will eventually too. Hang in there. Mariann
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Such wonderful advice, Mariann. Food is an emotional issue for so many people, and you are so wise to point out that we need to be sensitive to what our friends may be feeling when in our company. Preaching NEVER works...it's mostly seeing the changes in us that speaks volumes.
Mariann
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AdaLovelace, You know you can bring in a little container of your cooked chicken, hamburger, whatever to add to the salad. I am still suspicious of salads since I do not know what they wash it with. So it is easier on my psyche to bring my own. You can add to the salad though and they will think you are so clever. Well maybe not, but you won't get sick and that is all that matters. You will have spent time with friends enjoying each other. I used to say, "please realize this does not bother me if it doesn't bother you." They get it eventually. Deb thanks for the kind words. Ali tell me you are interested in the fiber muffin recipe, I will find your post and send it along shortly. I must tell you that I have been booked to do a "Phase II " of the "Food Additive " class. I am going bonkers with the Joy of this. I loved every minute of that class. Such wonderful people. Mariann
AdaLovelace
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Thanks for the advice. It means a lot! ;)
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Mariann, that's wonderful to hear....yes, there is nothing like knowing that your efforts are making a difference for others. Great work!
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Hi, my name is Lana and I have been on the no msg/sulfites for about 5 weeks. It has gone so-so. I have had a lot of symptoms that something was wrong, but the worst was the tightness in my head, brain fog, dizziness. It seems that when I am at a point where my diet is clear of all of these additives, my symptoms are somewhat eliminated. Since I am new to this, I do have quite a few questions, so if someone has some spare time, I am hoping you can shed some light for me.
1. How long does it ususally take to get completely out of your system?
2. The longer I am on it, will I just continually get better?
3. I was down to eating just brown rice, and it seems to bother me. Could it be that it was not organic?
4. Milk and butter seem to bother me also, is this from sulfite or msg and if they bother me will sour cream bother me also?
5. I started taking taurine after reading about it, but is there anything else I should be taking to help my tolerance with the mistakes I may make?
6. Do you have a book you recommend about the safety of supplements?
7. Are natural sulfites and msg okay?
Well, this is enough to start with. I am sure there will be many more. I very much appreciate any advice I can get. I cannot wait until I have been on this diet for as long as a lot of you.
Deb A.
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1. MSG and other forms of glutamate can build up in our body over years until a toxic level starts to manifest in various reactions, often getting worse over time. Depending on your degree of sensitivity and illnesses, time will vary. It is never completely gone, I believe, since we do consume some forms of naturally occurring glutamate. The trick is to keep learning about the hidden forms, and constantly eating the most healthy foods you can. With time and vigilance and learning, you will continually feel better (answer to #2).
3. If you bought organic brown rice, it should be okay. But some people do better with white rice that has been rinsed thoroughly, so that all the cloudy glucose covering is gone.
4.Go easy on dairy. I do okay with Organic Valley whole milk. Not all organic dairy products are safe, however. I avoid milk from California, as I was told by dairymen there that they add dry milk solids to low fat milk and even whole milk to ensure that there is a certain amount of protein present to meet state law. I buy organic butter, and make a 50/50 blend of it with light olive oil and some water, salt, and a pinch of cane sugar. You can also use olive oil or sunflower, or coconut oil instead of butter in a lot of recipes. I do okay with Daisy sour cream, but avoid ones that have additives..it should say just cream and culture on the label.
5.I don't take regular vitamins...making sure I eat a lot of salads and drinking lots of veggie/fruit smoothies. I do take taurine now and then, especially when I suspect I have had a dose of hidden glutamate, along with magnesium powder (do a search above for brands), and Tri-salts by Ecological Formulas. I also ramp up the antioxidants by drinking more fresh fruit smoothies and fresh squeezed lemon juice in water. Some like green tea, but it's best to avoid caffeine, another stimulant our brains and bodies can do better with less. Decaf is best. Ibuprofen is a good thing to have on hand, too. When I react badly, I take 3 or 4 and also a generic Benedryl type pill to help me sleep at night.
6. Won't recommend supplements. Had a young woman sent to me who looked 40. I was shocked to learn she was 25...bent with pain, thin, dark circles under her eyes. She told me she was reacting to everything and was subsisting on water and brown rice..and was now reacting to those, she suspected. She was afraid to tell her homeopathic doctor. I asked if she was on supplements...50 a day...most in gelcaps. Gelatin is hydrolyzed animals or vegetable protein and is rich in free glutamate. Many of the fillers, binders, and coatings in pills contain glutamate rich ingredients. She was spending hundreds of dollars a month on supplements. I told her to cut them out. She did and she thanks me every time I see her.
7.If you react to wines or beverages or foods treated with sulfites, avoid any form of sulfur, including sulfa drugs. There is no natural MSG...MSG is the name for the factory made form of glutamate..in a form that is harmful. Many foods are rich in naturally occurring glutamate, which the highly reactive person must regulate to their degree pf sensitivity. MSG is in a form that enters the bloodstream immediately. When in a bound form in natural foods, it takes longer to break down in the body for use. But eventually it will break down. We need small amounts of glutamate for normal brain function, but we need to be careful not to overdo on foods naturally high in glutamate. (wheat, milk, tomatoes. etc.)
Please consider getting our book...it's very helpful to the newcomer.
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Deb, thank you for your answers. I do have your book and am reading it over and over again. I cannot figure out how to be labeled on this chat site by my name instead of anonymous.
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Anon--
It took me five months to detox the majority of things my body needed to. My doctor told me because of my size, it would have taken a larger person 3 years to undergo the same process (toxins will tend to migrate to fat cells, which provides a buffer and makes the detox less violent). Of course there are pros and cons to both cases. He said that some people experience a delayed reaction detox that can occur about a year after the healthy diet has started, and this is even more damaging because it catches the person off guard and becomes frustrating and discouraging. So basically, he was grateful that mine at least happened at the start of my journey. :-)

As for dairy, my intuition told me to lay off of it. I know the majority of people on this message board can tolerate whole milk dairy products that are pasteurized (not ultra-pasteurized). My system prefers no dairy at all and has thanked me for it by blessing me with totally clear sinuses! What a miracle. :-) (I was previously diagnosed with rhinitis and prescribed steroids, which I now know was a result of dairy.)

I stared this thread in July when I was taking a lot of supplements, but now I'm off them completely.
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Thank you Ada for the information. It does encourage me to stay with it. I do see some improvement, but the set backs are very disheartening. I have been totally off milk and butter and have not tried sour cream yet. I not sure I will. Since I have been off of the milk and butter, I have had some relief. Thanks again.
Di
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Lana, Welcome, glad you found this site, it is the BEST for MSG sufferers. To post using your name just type 'Lana' in the Username box and type 'msgkills' in the password box.

Everyone seems to react differently to MSG or free-glutamate AND the time it takes to detox differs too. I can only speak to my own experience....I began feeling better in a couple of weeks, but noticed as the years (5) went by I felt better and better (probably as my body healed). Also it takes a long time to realize what you need to avoid. Some need to avoid wheat, tomatoes, cheese, etc. while some can tolerate a little bit. We can all recommend what each of us individually needs to avoid, but everyone is different and a lot of it is trial and error. I thought I was doing myself a favor taking lots of supplements, but when I stopped all of them I did much better. Now I only take powered taurine when I think I've accidently ingested MSG. The other thing I take as needed along with taurine is ibuprofen - it helps immensely. I do better with organic everything. I know big agri used to fertilize with Auxigro which contained free-glutamate and supposedly organic growers didn't. I don't know if Auxigro is still in use or not, but if not something else has probably taken its place.

Have you looked at the topic "share your MSG story/recovery"? It's pretty inspirational. Also you can do a search on a word or subject.
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Thanks Lana. Di is right--we ARE all so different. The detoxification process is radically different for each individual, and there needs to be a lot more support available out there because it's scary to do alone. I did feel alone, but luckily I had a doctor who would talk to me on the phone for hours at a time. I was lucky. My friends and family were very concerned and told me to see a neurologist. Some scoffed at me when I said I was coming off of an addiction to processed foods such as pizza. They told me to see a "real" doctor and laughed when I said I was seeing a naturopath. (Good luck finding a "real" doctor that has a clue what an excitotoxin is!)

Just know you're not alone. :-) Don't give up!! It's so worth it!
AdaLovelace
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Also, I created an Occupy Our Food Supply event:
http://events.ran.org/occupyourfoodsupply/events/show/5779

I hope this encourages people to boycott some of these poisons. ;) Spread the word!
Di
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AdaLovelace, Fabulous. You are amazing!!!!!!!!!!
Lana
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Di, thank you for the encouragement. Yes, I have read the MSG stories and I have spent lots of time reading on this chat site and using the search. It is very helpful.

Does anyone know if regular Costco meat is safe?
Di
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I don't have a problem with it, but then I don't eat it a lot. Most of my protein is organic chicken from Costco. Have you tried it, it is delicious.
AdaLovelace
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If any of you are on Facebook please join this event:
https://www.facebook.com/events/367563269928399/

And invite your friends to join as well. :-)
THANKS!
Deb A.
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Way to go, Ada!

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